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I think the Warbird is the call since it does a bit of everything. For me the Warroad/Cutthroat are more on the roadie/bikepacking ends of the spectrum. Which are great. But they come with bigger sacrifices in speed/comfort when you push them outside their normal terrain vs. the Warbird.
Seth - with the caveat that I haven't ridden them, but lived in the land of Salsa and gravel for the past 16yrs. And, with buddies that ride both.
Warbird, good for the gravel in the Flathead valley (Lake Blaine area comes to mind) and the North Fork road.
Cutthroat - good for the Red Meadow type of road, more rocks, more hardcore of a downhill, etc.
Both are good, Warbird for more roadie stuff - Cutthroat for more off-road oriented
Everything made sense until the itallics - did you mean "...the Warroad/Warbird are more on the roadie/bikepacking ends..."? The Cutthroat seems to be a lot more offroad focused when compared to the other two.Quote:
Originally Posted by kathleenturneroverdrive
I wasn't even aware of the Warroad so thanks for putting that on my radar!
Seth
While it's logical you'd think the gravel bike is closer in purpose to the road bike, some of my favorite rides on my bike are single track. Can't be too gnarly of course. With 40mm knobbies there's so much you can do. But you're right. First and foremost, it opens up access to routes you wouldn't take on your road bike.Quote:
Originally Posted by sethschmautz
I kind of view the Warroad/Warbird/Cutthroat as 3 bikes in the same "gravel" line with the Warbird in the middle as the do everything bike that bridges the gap between the two. Could just be me that thinks that way though.
The 650b Warroad with a 2nd 700c wheelset was on my shortlist for a new bike. I'm in MT as well and know it's inevitable we'll be riding a few months of road during mud season(s) so it totally made sense. I went with a Trek Checkpoint SL5 instead, but that's not a ding against the Warroad - I just couldn't find a Warroad to demo and pulled the trigger on the Trek (which is also a rad do everything bike).
So new Warbird owner here. LOVE, LOVE, LOVE IT! So much so that I ordered a wheelset for road tires and will probably ditch the road bike.
With the longer, slacker geo, it definitely handles slower than my road bike, and it doesn't accelerate or roll as fast but the new tires & wheelset will narrow that gap.
I've got the GRX 600 build, it comes in at a little over 20 pounds, but the stock wheelset is dogshit. Lighter wheelset and 32c road tires should cut about 2 pounds.
I have a Santa Cruz Stigmata (Kinda between a Warroad and Warbird) it will ride pavement well. I have some 40c Maxxis Velocita's that are pretty fast but at the same time, it's not a performance road bike. It doesn't corner as well and is probably 5-10% slower while also being a little less fun. I can press it pretty far and ride singletrack when I want with the knobby tires. That being said... for straight up gravel and rough terrain I wish I could fit bigger than the 40c tires. It's a good bike for most things, great few things.
Warroad - Going to ride a lot like a normal road bike on pavement, with 650's you could try out mixed riding and gravel and have an okay time.
Warbird - Awesome Gravel Bike - Kinda Meh as a road bike but will still let you have fun and get some miles in.
Cutthroat - Good Gravel Bike that can be pressed into rougher terrain and singletrack. Will feel a lot like riding a mountain bike on pavement from a geometry level.
Are any of you riding your gravel bikes on real singletrack? I've seen a couple people riding them locally on stuff that calls for a real mountain bike, unless you weigh 90# and/or want to damage rims. (For Reno Tahoe locals, I've seen them out on Peavine and on the TRT from Mt Rose meadows.)
Yep; as long as it’s not too technical, no problem.
Just smooth singletrack. 42mm tires. You could slowly pick lines through rock gardens, if that’s you thing.
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The closest MTB trails to me are about 4 miles away. I can ride from home, cut through some other trails to get there and turn it into a 15 mile trip.
I love riding my Sutra LTD to them, buzzing around without suspension and with drop bars makes them a bit of a challenge. The are not particularly technical so I probably wouldn’t ride there, otherwise.
I’ve shared pics like this before but this gives some insight. From last Sunday.
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Singletrack? 100% yes. Technical trails? Not so much for me, but to each their own. I only end up on that stuff if I have to do it as part of a bigger route and can’t avoid it.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Chupacabra
“Underbiking” As I think I’ve heard it called. There is a fine line where trails get to be a bit much. Loose and chunky stuff is hard and it beats the hell out of your wheels.
But I think it’s super fun.
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Just did my first ride on the new Gravelking SS tire. Def gives up things compared to a burlier tire, but if you ride dry conditions and really value speed they’re really impressive.
Nice. Where did you buy them? They were sold out everywhere I looked. I am running classic TLC Gravelking 700x38 right now and loving it so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by kathleenturneroverdrive
I bought them (the non Plus+ version) from Panaracer during the pre-order. They're available now: https://www.panaracerusa.com/collect...34660201103522
If you want the Plus+ I bet if you gave them a call (number is on their site) they'd tell you if/when they'll be back in stock. I had to call for my order and they were super helpful.
Nice. I'll run the classics for now until I find I really need better cornering of flat protection. For now this setup is for pavement + gravel roads and nothing super gnarly.Quote:
Originally Posted by kathleenturneroverdrive
Short trip report...drove from Missoula to Troy, MT. Met a buddy, had lunch and on the bikes a little after 1pm to scout the Wild West Route south to Noxon.
Long paved climb, odd to be paved in the middle on nowhere.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...30253f393f.jpg
The summit view was not as impressive as expected.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...c8b6abbdc2.jpg
4 miles of downhill on a decommissioned road took 90min, it got progressively worse.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...2d058a321c.jpg
Just when you trust getting through the snowbanks you go over the barshttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...7417b7ca0a.jpg
Bridge location for the camp, perfect eveninghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...ef1614e3cf.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...6787427cb5.jpg
The last 3 miles took 2hrs, 3 major road washouts that required getting west. Trail is upper lefthttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...7afb6670b7.jpg
Trail continues upper middlehttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...8613e4343b.jpg
Caught this pic just outside of Clark Fork, IDhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...4f6815f81c.jpg
We rode the main WWR backwards from Noxon. Lots of pavement, but also a cool little pass. We found a quiet sideroad on the backside for camp.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...1228a43e77.jpg
6hrs day 1
7.5hrs day 2
4hrs day 3
Impressive route, lots of navigation required compared to the Tour Divide. We go back with 8 others mid-August to ride from Eureka to Missoula. We won't be taking the washed out roads option.
A buddy completed this.
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Is that the same one that some pro rider just completed? Video someplace
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No just some Southern VT, he did what? Hold my beer guy.
Same route.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iowagriz
Less the sponsorship and video crew.
https://youtu.be/v3Anmd0OJdg
300 miles in under 24hrs is a hell of a quick time
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I think Ted King is his buddy. Pretty cool, dude seems like a good ambassador for cycling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iowagriz
90% gravel or class 4 road.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iowagriz
Repurposed for quick spins through the neighborhood
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Well, at least it was a flat 304 miles. :fm:Quote:
Originally Posted by Iowagriz
Kris Dennan is such a mellow krusher! I miss his gravel grinder from Grafton, that stop at the hippie camp for lunch was so much fun. And his route selection was top notch.
I hit them with a co2 cartridge. Buy a load bulk cheap. Does the job. Bead set sometimes works but not often for me. No problems with gravelking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whiteroom_Guardian
Slapped some of those discounted revelate bags on the igleheart. Have all the parts for the Knolly now, so I’ll have to reimagine how I’ll use this. Attachment 333513
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Got the go ahead to buy a gravel bike and could use a little input from the collective. Currently looking at either a Giant TCX Advanced 2 with a spare wheelset (29er stan's with 19mm IW) for road OR a 2018 Diverge. Giant weighs in at 22 pounds whereas the Diverge is about 20 pounds. 2 pounds is a lot. I'm also not a HUGE fan of the headshock thing - feels gimicky and something I may spend a lot of money fixing/replacing in the future. Those who have them, love them.
Plans would be for that bike to be a combo road/gravel bike. If I don't go with the Giant, will likely buy a road wheelset next year if the gravel tires feel slow.
Giant - lower cost, extra wheelset, 2 pounds extra weight
Spec - higher cost (about $500), 2 pounds less
Also looking at a Kona Super Jake, Trek Boone, and a few others.
Check the max tire width on the TCX since its a cross bike.
My bad. It's the Revolt that I'm looking at.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skistack
What year Revolt are you looking at? I'd personally avoid the 2019 with the hybrid hydraulic brake adaptor thing.
Anyone want to buy barely used Schwalbe Thunder Burt 27.5x2.1 Pacestart TLE casing? I have a pair and I used them for one like 20 mile ride. I got 700c wheels for my bike and will probably never run these again. $45 for the pair.
Yeah. It's the 2019 with the hybrid hydraulic brake adaptor thing - glad I asked!
In a related note I rode the 2018 diverge this afternoon on pavement, flat singletrack and gravel. The gimmicky headshock thing is actually pretty nice. I was also pretty surprised about how well the seatpost soaked up bumps. Definitely leaning in that direction at the moment.
If anybody has a 56-58 gravel bike for sale I'm interested.
Seth
pinkbike is an addiction. Lots of nice rides in buy/sellQuote:
Originally Posted by sethschmautz
It's pretty crazy the number of super nice bikes that literally look like they got ridden in the driveway once and then hung in the garage next to the Allroad for 3 months and then sold on PB.Quote:
Originally Posted by huckbucket
Dammit! This is sex. Want.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whiteroom_Guardian
https://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/2750612/
Anyone run inserts in their gravel tires? I'm finding that I'm hitting my rim quite a bit and was thinking of putting something like Huck Norris or another lightweight insert in.