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It's included with your car, right?
How come I have to register my boat?
One wonders if a few concerned citizens placing calls to the local LEO's about an unsafe traffic situation wouldn't result in a ticket writing campaign...Quote:
Originally Posted by Buster Highmen
Even if there isn't a shoulder, bikes only need a driveway to safely allow faster traffic to pass if they are delaying 5 or more vehicles.
On the flip side, as a runner, it's fucking terrifying running facing traffic with the amount of drivers on phones that can't maintain a lane, can't imagine riding facing away.
To keep the invasive species from attaching to it, of course. Or, in the case of bikes, to get police to cite inattentive drivers. Having the right to do something only matters if you pay a fee, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by highangle
Sweet pic, bro. Looks like the view over the steering wheel? Thanks for taking the time to post it in this important thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by commonlaw
If I were the pedestrian on that sidewalk/bike path to the right (which is it?) I might have a problem with the bike if he were riding on it. Big issue in Sacto, where there are few bike lanes in midtown/downtown and the ones there are often end suddenly, is bikes on the sidewalk hitting pedestrians. If I were the driver I wouldn't have a problem with the bike on the road.Quote:
Originally Posted by commonlaw
I'm in traffic (moving slowly) and about to take a right hand turn and a biker is coming up behind me, so I wait to make the right. But the reality is he should wait for me if he's following the road rules as I'm in front of him.
Where that may be different is if I'm moving 30-35mph and pass him, then about to take a right. The car should always wait and let the biker go by imo.
This scenario has played out many times for me, both as a driver and a biker. There is a lot of grey area with all of this stuff and many people are just not aware or have never put any thought into it to begin with. Kind of like a 4-way stop sign. What a clusterfuck that can be. geez.
Personally, I was a roadie I would ride defensively and never assume someone is going to see me.
to tow it on the roadQuote:
Originally Posted by highangle
since you are changing lanes from the traffic lane to the bike lane to make your turn you should yield to the cyclist who is occupying the bike lane. I haven't looked up the law on this but it's common courtesy. Given a choice between waiting or forcing someone else to wait or stop, the courteous thing to do is to wait yourself, as you are doing. It's also the safe thing to do, since if you misjudge the relative speeds the cyclist may be unable to stop in time. Happens all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by jackstraw
BTW, since when did yield or turn on red mean proceed or turn as long as long as the oncoming car can avoid a crash by slamming on the brakes? What it means is to proceed or turn when you can do it without forcing an oncoming car to slow down.
This is where it's grey imo. We don't have a lot of bike lanes here, which sucks. Anyway, if bikes are to follow 'traffic rules', then in traffic they should not be flying by cars on the right side, therefore they should be driving as if they were in a car and let the car in front of them take the right turn first. Personally I do when I'm riding my bar bike on the road. Although, I have no idea what the law is or even if we have one here.Quote:
Originally Posted by old goat
If they're not in a bike lane and following the rules of the road the bike should move around to your left when they see a right turn signal. If there's enough room between you (if you didn't just pass them b5 seconds ago) that makes it clear that both people see what the other is doing. If they're right on your ass so there isn't room to go around without a serious swerve then you have to wait anyway because there's not enough time to be sure they see what you're doing.
I don't really have any issue with these rich Mercer Island dorks riding their 8k roadbikes around the island. Hell, I ride this loop on the weekends sometimes (minus the 8k bike and feigned sponsorship jersey). But I spent 15 minutes behind these guys who took up the entire lane and didnt offer any deference when there was an opportunity to pass. I was trying to get to a work appointment and they were logging miles on an app so they could brag at the next cocktail mixer.Quote:
Originally Posted by old goat
Ran across a redlight in West Seattle this weekend. Three lanes with the left being a designated turn lane, center to go straight and the right lane a designated right turn lane with a free right on red. No one in left lane, 8 or 9 cars queuing to go straight and no one in the right lane. I was taking a right but had a group of bikers in front of me when I approached the light. They all entered the designated right turn lane with me behind them. And then nothing. They sat there and waited for the light to turn green and then cut back into the straight lane ahead of the waiting cars in the center lane. It was a nice double whammy of discourtesy.
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Originally Posted by commonlaw
If this thread has you breaking the law to take a pic of people following the law so you can post it to social media and complain about their "app log" then it's probably, what, achieved it's intended purpose?
Yep. That's shitty cycling behavior. Unfortunate. Vibes.Quote:
Originally Posted by commonlaw
I see good and bad cycling behavior every day.
Shall we start a thread where we can all share anecdotes of shitty driving behavior? I see a lot more of that everyday. We could make assumptions about why and where these mouthbreathers are driving and why our use of the road is more valid.
It'd probably get tedious and wouldn't really confirm anything besides the fact that we share our existence with a bunch of dumbasses.
A bike is not a car. Bikes are supposed to follow some traffic laws for cars, some are different. In CA a bike is supposed to stay as far to the right as possible. In ID apparently bikes can treat a stop sign as a yield. We can't have it both ways. If we want cyclists to stay to the right so we can pass them, we can't complain if we have to wait for them to pass before we make a right turn. Would you rather they rode in the middle of the lane, just like a car? And frankly it doesn't matter what the law says, turning across the path of a bike is one of the most dangerous things a car can do, after texting and driving drunk. Anyway it sounds like you don't actually do that. It's ok to think bad thoughts as long as you don't act on them.Quote:
Originally Posted by jackstraw
On my bike when I see a right turn only lane I ride or wait between that and the straight through lane. If there is not a dedicated right turn lane I stay to the right. If I come up on a guy in such a lane stopped, signaling to turn right I might get behind him, depending on the situation. (This never happens;no one uses their turn signal.) If I'm in a car and want to turn right on a red signal or a stop sign and I know I've recently passed some cyclists I get as close to the curb as possible so the bikes have to wait behind me or on my left. Of course I don't do that unless I'm well past the cyclists and the light is red. I don't try to force cyclists to stop while I make my turn unless they are going to have to stop anyway for the light or stop sign.
General rule for driving--when you have the option of inconveniencing yourself or someone else, inconvenience yourself. If you decide to make a left but you're not in the left turn lane, after the light turns green do you wait, holding up all the cars behind you while you wait for the left turn lane to clear, or do you keep going straight and make your left turn somewhere else? When you're driving down donner pass road looking for a free dock or parking space on your left, do you drive 10 mph with a line of cars behind you and then make a 3 point u turn, or do you pull to the right to let the cars go by before you resume your 10 mph cruise or make your u turn? When you miss your exit do you swerve across the solid white dart, forcing everyone else to slam on the brakes, or do you go to the next exit? If your answer to any of these questions is the first option you should lose your license for life and be forced to become an ISIS sex slaves. (I assume they have both male and female sex slaves.)
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Originally Posted by DBdude
That's not included with my car tag, like it is with road bikes?
Since this horribly stupid thread is bumped, I'll share a funny story from a recent NYC trip. A extremely muscular woman (weightlifter) commuter was on a bike path hauling ass, and there was a pedestrian intersection coming up. Some older ladies were crossing and had the right of way to cross the bike path. The meathead woman biker started to ring her bell many, many times and didn't slow down. The older ladies were startled and confused and eventually just stopped as the meathead swerved around them, at high speed.
I wasn't pissed, I just laughed.New Yorkers do whatever they think they can get away with, no matter if they are bikers/pedestrians/cars/buses/etc.
It's kind of a no-win for the bikes. If they use the center lane, there's a pretty good chance someone will pull up behind them and also get delayed. And it's oddly discomforting when you're the spandex meat between the metal vehicle sandwich.Quote:
Originally Posted by commonlaw
If this was me, I'd ride up the right side of the center lane (and hope the group stayed single file) so the right turners can turn right. It makes merging back in on the other side of the intersection a little spicy, but usually the 4-5 cars waiting at a light will zoom past in the intersection.
I didnt break the law (RCW 46.61.667) and assuming my facts about their non-deference of a legally overtaking vehicle (and you are free to think I'm full of shit), they arguably did. You know that the law on all this crap is literally a few clicks away right? Your post was better before you edited it and it only contained three false assumptions.Quote:
Originally Posted by jono
groups of cyclists that take up lanes need to be bitch slapped
cycling 2x2 is acceptable
I think its the motorized vehicle rule...if you don't have a motor don't hog the road
disclosure.....I am a cyclist but I respect the rules and signal my intentions
I also hate those wannabe Tour De Fuckers that think they are some kind of pro...get a life.
btw in the city the cyclist need to grow up and realize rush hour is not the time to be ducking in and out of traffic...they ruin it for the rest of us
wow that felt good venting
So you're saying you took that pic with an actual camera? Or that your phone's camera is hands free?
And yes, it was better before editing.
I would do the same thing, hang out in the middle lane so people can turn. When the light turns red, you go for one car length in the way, and then hug right so people can pass. Barely a delay anyone, if it all. Not spicy at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by FormerKnuckleDragger
OFT :smile:Quote:
Originally Posted by old goat
No, but they can stay behind the car on the right, yielding to the car in front of them turning rightQuote:
If we want cyclists to stay to the right so we can pass them, we can't complain if we have to wait for them to pass before we make a right turn. Would you rather they rode in the middle of the lane, just like a car?
The issue is if you didn't just pass the biker you could easily cut off a biker turning right because you cannot see them or didn't see them.Quote:
And frankly it doesn't matter what the law says, turning across the path of a bike is one of the most dangerous things a car can do, after texting and driving drunk. Anyway it sounds like you don't actually do that. It's ok to think bad thoughts as long as you don't act on them.
Think bad thoughts? No me. Well, maybe about their outfits :fm:
Funny, I cannot remember if it was VT or NM that my wife got that answer wrong on the driving test. In that one state the rule is to pull over and throw it in reverse back to the exit you missed. She had answered drive to the next exit and got it wrong.Quote:
When you miss your exit do you swerve across the solid white dart, forcing everyone else to slam on the brakes, or do you go to the next exit?
I'm saying I picked up my phone and snapped a picture.Quote:
Originally Posted by jono
Let's get back to arguing about something that you aren't so obviously wrong about. Like what are cyclists favorite things to smell and why its their own farts.
And I'm saying my "assumptions" are all confirmed, thanks. If you want you argue that doing so was legal in WA that would probably be a more interesting exercise given the hands-free and distracted driving laws.Quote:
Originally Posted by commonlaw
Seriously though, Mercer Island? Nevermind; every person depicted through that pic is doing exactly what should be expected in their location.
What on earth do you think we've been discussing besides the legality of my actions? And there's nothing interesting about it. Its cut and dry. But I do appreciate the red herring diversion.Quote:
Originally Posted by jono
That was a sarcastic comparison: it's not interesting, but watching logical contortions would still be more entertaining than comparing the critical importance of leisure activities (like posting on the an outdoor website from inside--or outside). Yawn.
Think that guy ^^ rides?
Nah, he's super objective I'm sure.
Last weekend a gaggle of about 30 spandexed road bikers ran a stop sign and pulled out in front of my bus making me stop hard on a 40 mph road and then proceeded to ride 2 abreast making passing them impossible for several miles.
^ Talk about a missed opportunity...
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Originally Posted by stfu&gbtw
Page 28. Wow, this would warm even Lance's cold stone heart.
Yesterday there was backhoe driving down Donner Pass Rd from the summit towards the lake at about 5 mph. Made me wish it was just a bike or two.
Went for a roadie on Saturday and had cars wave me through 3-4 stop signs (when I was actually going to make full stops). Maybe they appreciated the effort?
^^^ This. I rode about 60 this weekend, and people waited for me to pass in front of them on intersecting driveways, and incoming streets. I'm getting my wave and mouthing "thank you" over exaggeratedly down real good. My early attempts had me weaving a bit too much as I waved too much.
Also at the busiest intersection, (maybe in all of Issaquah, SE 56th and E. Lk. Samamish), a jogging douche got all in the face of some poor woman who was making a right on red and didn't see him, (because he fucking came into the intersection from a parallel bike path). I shrugged at her and she laughed.
Fu*king joggers.
In CA cars have to yield to pedestrians in the crosswalk (marked or unmarked) but not people on the sidewalk waiting to enter the crosswalk. When I'm walking I wait for traffic to clear before I cross, unless I get desperate waiting. Trouble is the guy on my side of the road may stop but the guy coming the other way may not. I've gotten half way across the street and had a guy coming the other way speed up and flash his lights at me to make sure I didn't get in his way. And 4 lane streets--forget about it. A car in the curb lane does not favors to stop for a pedestrian; the cars in the other lanes have no way to see the pedestrian because they're blocked by the car that stopped. While it might be logical to assume that the reason the car stopped is a pedestrian, that usually doesn't compute fast enough if you don't actually see the walker.
WTF?Quote:
a guy coming the other way speed up and flash his lights at me to make sure I didn't get in his way.
Dude was a douche, as was my new jogger friend. My wife and I were talking about this, and our attitude is: assume "they" can't see you.
Drivers pay for less than 1/2 the total cost of roads. http://www.uspirg.org/reports/usp/who-pays-roads (And no, this isn't written by some bike-loving group.)
So drivers can go fuck themselves when they want to talk about bikes "paying their fair share." Once drivers pay the full costs of their emissions and infrastructure they can bitch about others not paying theirs. Until then, no dice. It doesn't matter whether the biker owns a car or not -- if they are living in a city they are paying all sorts of taxes directly or indirectly that go to finance the costs of the roads they ride on.Quote:
“The ‘users pay’ myth is deeply ingrained in U.S. transportation policy, shaping how billions of dollars in transportation funds are raised and spent each year,” said Tony Dutzik, co-author of the report and Senior Analyst at Frontier Group, a non-profit think tank. “More and more, though, all of us are bearing the cost of transportation in our tax bills, regardless of how much we drive.”
I'm going to go ride my bike home from work shortly. Through downtown where I'll take up a lane sometimes because the bike lane abruptly dead-ends into nothingness 3/4th of the way through it. A driver will be pissed off. I'll make his commute 15 seconds longer than it would've been otherwise. The other cars on the road will add 20-30mins of traffic to his commute. Bikes probably a total of 1-2min. Then I'll get home, have a beer that I earned by not being an entitled prick who thinks my V8 4x4 truck entitles me to more road than someone commuting home just the same. And then I'll work on the ski van for an hour or two.
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Originally Posted by doebedoe