This is what I was referring to. In reality, there’s nothing they could have done.Quote:
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This is what I was referring to. In reality, there’s nothing they could have done.Quote:
Originally Posted by pureantigravity
Ground Temperatures Reached an Astounding 145 Degrees in the Pacific Northwest
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Air temperatures during record-setting heat wave in the Pacific Northwest were bad enough. But the ground was on a whole other level.
Stunning new satellite imagery from the European Space Agency’s Sentinel-3 satellite shows ground temperatures reached as high as 145 degrees Fahrenheit (63 degrees Celsius) in Wenatchee, Washington. Apparently even the Earth we stand on isn’t safe from the climate crisis.
This was my street Monday. Not even black top.Quote:
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Yea, not much you can do in a rural area when shit hits the fan.
Here are some photos from the Holiday Farms Fire last Labor Day in the McKenzie River valley. Was about 175k acres IIRC
The town of Blue River OR
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Homes about 20 miles downstream on the McKenzie River
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All that happened in about 12 hours. Without really high temps - just dry and windy.
No suppression resources were available
Is that really anomalous? It wasn’t even the hottest part of WA or the PNW here. If you google around surface temperatures can get that hot when it’s 100F. Seems like a bit of sensational “journalism” to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by KQ
I’m not a climate change denier by any means.
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Statement made by virtually every single internet troll or HOA troublemaker on planet earth.Quote:
Originally Posted by pureantigravity
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PG may have some crackpot ideas, but those type of ideas are what lead to advances. Earlier crackpot ideas include dropping water from aircraft, bucket brigades, indoor fire sprinklers, fire codes, bare ground along roads and railroads, lighting backfires, professional firefighters, etc. All those things cost money and we decided to do them, despite naysayers at the time claiming it was ridiculous or too expensive (and some still do, maybe legitimately in some cases).
Outdoor fire sprinklers would raise air humidity and directly wet small fuels. Part of existing forest firefighting includes deploying sprinkler systems to protect buildings. Urban firefighting includes showering adjacent buildings to prevent fire spread.
I would not expect Lytton to be the first to try permanent outdoor fire sprinklers. I don't know the area, but would guess the expected recurrence interval for devastating fires is well over 1,000 years. Wouldn't be worth the investment there.
As for the railroads... my local utility is bankrupt and out $25 billion for wildfires caused by their equipment, and remains intermittently unable to provide service due to fire risk. In addition to the $25 billion lost, they'll spend billions more fixing the legacy problems. $25 billion would buy a few miles of walls. So this isn't a ridiculous idea either. (I'm open to the idea the utility should not be wholly responsible for the $25 billion, but someone's gotta pay - it's a real cost)
I'm open to the idea that the rail companies (CN and CP) should be sued if their operations caused the Lytton fire. They need to realize that their operations pose a hazard and take measures to reduce that hazard to acceptable levels.Quote:
Originally Posted by LongShortLong
Australia recommends people to do this when fires spread in their communities:
• Phone the bushfire brigade – do not assume they know about the fire.
• Fill baths, sinks, buckets etc with reserve water and turn off any gas and power.
• Remove curtains and move furniture away from windows.
• Wear protective clothing that covers the body area, solid boots or shoes, a hat or woollen balaclava and gloves.
• Plug downpipes with rags and fill all roof gutters with water. Hose down walls, garden etc on the sides of the house facing the ‘fire-front’ and watch for
spot fires.
• Inside, close all windows, doors and block crevices and gaps. When the fire front arrives, stay inside, away from windows, while it passes (usually 5-15
minutes).
• Quickly extinguish any fires, which may have started in, on, or under the house and check inside the roof cavity as well.
• If the house is alight and can’t be extinguished, move away to safe burnt ground. Don’t leave the area, wait for help. Listen to the battery radio for official information.
Lytton is a small compact town and not like the rural forested homes pictured in this thread (above). Agreed that trying to stopping a 1 in 1000 year fire is not a financially sound idea. Nevertheless, Peace of Mind is priceless and results in more productive communities.
edit: Here is a guy that stayed home to defend his house in Lytton, BC. His house is one of only 3 still standing in the town. Video is cued to interview with man. "We put a sprinkler on the roof right away and started soaking everything down."
https://youtu.be/JjMIAjoVKmQ?t=409
Back when I was in the game, on the management side, wen there was a big season I would usually get a call from some citizen asking why we didn’t just make a big explosion to rob the fire of oxygen like Red Adair did for oil rig fires. I’d usually reply that the fire was XXthousand acres and ask how big an explosion would be needed there.
I just wanted to throw that out there before PG thought of it.
everyone always claims if they brought back the mars water bomber the fire would be out right away which is dumb
Any time i was in Lytton it was windy hot dry all you could do is run
its gona be a beautiful mid twentys and sunny here with no smoke
the heat bubble is keeping out the heat and smoke up here to the narth
The record high temp in bc was higher than the record high temp in Las Vegas? 121 degrees or so. That’s crazy.
The only two remaining Mars(es) are destined for museums at this point. Coulson's been trying to sell them for years.Quote:
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The public likes them for the same reason people like old cars, but there are lots of newer large aircraft that are better suited to the job.
Another day... more of the same..... could really use a break from all this heat but I've a bad feeling it will be a very long 9 weeks until September and any hope of cooling.
Was just out running errands and "Here comes the Sun" came on the radio. I turned that shit off. F-you George.
Feels like end times...................
One bonus in feeling a week of temps >40C - temps in the mid 30's which would normally cause system collapse with the family now feel reasonable!
Many of the local lake that are favoured for swimming are having issues with swimmers itch. We've been mostly visiting our favourite river eddies, no itch there! But the daughter loves the social public beach, so extra shower rinsing after playing in that sewage lagoon. On the biting bug front, no flies or mossies during the day at all, even in the areas known for their swarms. Very civilized until the sun goes down, but then look out! What a crazy June!
there was a 1hr PBS on fighting a fire in Mexico with the Mars, it took a crew of 17 including 2 pilots & 3 engineers to fly that archaic POSQuote:
Originally Posted by Ted Striker
The Mars keeps breaking every time they fly it so they got trailers full of spares they gota work on them after every flight so they are working on them while floating in aluminum boats in the dark dropping shit in the water
in Comparison the whole Air Tractor crew for 4 airplanes is in the bar by 7:30 every night and they fit at 2 tables shoved togetehr
I knew someone who stayed behind to water his roof and property. Knew being the correct tense since he’s dead now. I know others who did the same and it worked out. Was it worth it?
we have one day at 91 then it pops back up to 105 and they call that "a cool down."
Driving thru Phoenix. It's 4am and 99 degrees. Can't even stop to nap without cooking.
When you are going through hell, keep going.Quote:
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I actually like Phoenix, but fuck is it hot.
I’ve never heard that saying. But it’s inspirationalQuote:
Originally Posted by neufox47
Thx
Just checking in to say that this shit is wearing me down something fierce. Too hot to ride much, just uncomfortable and hot and not enough exercise/adrenaline rush. Also, add in sleep deprivation from said lack of riding/exercise and sleeping next to someone new. It's really fucking with my entire being physically and mentally.
Do I just move to the North Pole? Patagonia for a couple months?
God damn.
At least it makes the garden go nuts, but the relentless heat, dryness, and sun is starting to be pretty harsh for veggies too.
Fuck.
And for some reason, even though there's a drought, the mosquitoes are plentiful. What's up with that?
I've come to accept that I now live in AZ.Quote:
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Where do you live?Quote:
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You'll sleep cooler at night if you don't spoon your teddy bear in the summa time.Quote:
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It's been highs in the mid 90's here and lows about 55. We get out for a 90 minute ride pretty much daily - push off from the trailhead at about 0700 when temp is in 50s and finish when its about 70.Quote:
Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn
And as far as sleeping next to someone, the same approach applies when it's hot out
Get used to it. The 6-10 day, 8-14 day, 3-4 week, one month, and three month all show hotter and drier than normal for pretty much the entire Western US.
https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/produc...10temp.new.gif
https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/
So gotta go to Tejas for relief? Crazy world.Quote:
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I can’t like that map
All the Texans will claim global cooling!Quote:
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Even if the temp is "below normal" in TX, it's gonna suck.Quote:
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OTOH, I think it’s sweet.Quote:
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Yea. 88 and 90% humidity instead of 94 and 80% humidity.Quote:
Originally Posted by skaredshtles
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Sigh......Quote:
Originally Posted by Core Shot
If You're Going Through Hell, Keep Going - Winston Churchill
Churchill’s first speech to the British people as PM laid out his program bluntly, “I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears and sweat.” He followed that with another speech shortly thereafter: “. . . we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender.”
In other words, his plan for success: Complete and total defiance.
“We shall never surrender.” When you have nothing left but defiance, commit to it with everything you have. Like Prince Hal in Shakespeare’s Henry V, Churchill used language to rouse the fighting spirit he believed was still alive in the British people, saying, “If you're going through hell, keep going.” And the line that summed up his personal career and the spirit that led the British people to victory: “Never, never, never give up.”
Well, shiiiit I always thought that was a country song
Well you know those times when you feel like there's a sign there on your back
That says I don't mind if you kick me, seems like everybody has
Things go from bad to worse you think they can't get worse than that and then they do
You step off the straight and narrow and you don't know where you are
Used the needle of your compass to sew up your broken heart
Ask directions from a genie in a bottle of Jim Beam
And she lies to you
That's when you'll learn the truth
[Chorus]
If you're goin' through hell keep on going
Don't slow down if you're scared don't show it
You might get out before the devil even knows you're there
and I had someone argue with me that the 1820s folk song "Turkey in the Straw" was actually:Quote:
Originally Posted by dannynoonan
Do your ears hang low?
Do they wobble to and fro?
Can you tie 'em in a knot?
Can you tie 'em in a bow?
Can you throw 'em o'er your shoulder
Like a Continental soldier?
Do your ears hang low?
Our education system is failing us.
https://youtu.be/VsnZxfkkoKQ
OMG! Next Thursday it's only supposed to get up to 93. Can't wait!
it's 84 here and there's all these white puffy things in the sky. some blocking the sun. very disorienting.
The conservation folks have begun to shut down fishing on some spring creeks within their jurisdiction. Good on them for protecting the fishies.
Fuck this heat
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Water Master has shut down irrigation on the Touche River here.Quote:
Originally Posted by east or bust
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Mt Rainier. What a difference a heatwave makes
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