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Loud and clear, fellas. I did some digging and see what you're saying.
Who's better at judging the profiles than the people who are always skiing them? Can't argue with that.
Random question, I have never skied the Protest. I can get along with most ski shapes. My current skis are On3p Wrenegade 114’s, Moment Wildcats, 4frnt Renegades, & Line Pescado’s.
Am I right in thinking that a Protest might be most similar to the Renegade but on the whole a little looser feeling?
It’s more like a better pontoon. Very loose but does not submarine like renegade.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tailwind
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Came from praxis is a kind way to put it... [emoji19]Quote:
Originally Posted by 2FUNKY
I can’t be an asshole all the time...Quote:
Originally Posted by Muggydude
Though some may say different...
A lot looser. The massive taper, long radius shape is a completely different level of loose than a renegade or wildcat (the two above I've skied). And as mentioned, unsinkable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tailwind
Really? I thought my Rens were very close to as loose as my Powderboards, haven’t AB’d them though. The PBs were looser at low speeds, but I have a 185 PB and a 196 Ren. I moved the mount back 1cm on the Ren from -5 to -6 and that improved everything including float, but they don’t float, pivot or do really anything well until you’re going fairly fast. Haven’t skied a protest yet but owning them some day feels like an unstoppable force
I might be an anomaly... but I think the Renegade is pretty loose at speed. At least much more so than any other ski I own. Agree it won’t pivot at slow speeds.
I’m looking for something that will open up some new turn shapes in deep snow. Tempted by the current Powerworks Lotus 138 for a touring setup but not tempted by the price. I’m wondering if the protest might be loose enough and if Quiver killed a fun resort and touring setup.
I really appreciate owning the Pescado’s because they invite me to interact with the mountain differently. I ski slower and mess around more. Looking for a something that will open up a new style of skiing mainly loose drifty turns... but still be stable.
They were referring to something else. Big changes are afoot at Incline Village.Quote:
Originally Posted by Graham
Something else other than not making custom skis at this time? Hmm.Quote:
Originally Posted by lucknau
Hah! No, that was it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Graham
If you’re looking for new turn shapes w that quiver, the protest should fill in nicely. It’s designed to have the reverse side cut feel without the downsides. It’s a different feel than a full rockered ski w/o a ton of taper.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tailwind
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Hi all, and Thank You to all the very helpful regulars in TGR.
A quick follow up on my question about Protests & sizing. I went a bit further than originally expected:
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Looking forward to mounting Shifts on the 180 BCs and Attack 13s on the Protests. And love those poles!
Soooo a Dentist.......
Haha - No. Quasi-obsessive with just barely enough disposable income to overhaul this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2FUNKY
Right on man. Just fuggin withcha. Nice set up! Protest stoke!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gate11
The sale prices pushed me over the line. And once I got rolling, it was hard to stop!Quote:
Originally Posted by 2FUNKY
Shameless plug: If anyone is looking for a ProTest for this season and has smaller boots (~25.5), check out my FS thread: https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...New-Warden-13s
I was looking at the sale as well and the BC's topsheet really caught my eye.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gate11
Beautiful.
Me too!! Good choices Gates, very well done indeed
Does anyone else prefer the powderboards over the protest?
I have to imagine that there are relatively few people that have spent extensive time on both to make such an opinion. And I'm guessing far more people have time on Protests because they seem like the safer bet.Quote:
Originally Posted by TGRBadass
I’ve skied on protests a few seasons and had powderboards for a couple.Quote:
Originally Posted by TGRBadass
IMO the protest is 95% as good in waist deep (100% as good in a foot of fresh) and considerably better on groomers, run outs, and harder variable patches
Main reason to get powderboard is as a cat ski, or maybe only for deep deep days.
That’s not to say the powder birds are bad in the mentioned conditions, but compared to the protests I’d pick protest. Haven’t tried the current gen spooned base powderboard though, could elevate it over protests a bit more for deep
Sorry, what’s the implication here?Quote:
Originally Posted by Muggydude
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Probably has something to do with this:
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Originally Posted by peshastin_proud
Got it, I suppose I read more into that emoji than was necessary. Thanks for the clarification. We hope everyone in TGR land is getting stoked for winter to arrive. It’s gonna be a good one!Quote:
Originally Posted by jackattack
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I would agree. I've spent a LOT of time on true R/R skis (spats, 138, powderboards) and I do love them as long as the turns are deep and fresh. As I get older Im finding that the R/R design is unecessarily tiring to manage inbounds. The protest is the best ski that I have found that will give you the playfulness and float of an R/R design but you can still ski normally when needed. If I still skied as much as i did in my 20s and 30s I probably wouldnt give a shit, but my legs love the protest. I skied a full week in Japan and I wasnt in the best shape. The protests were amazing and kept me charging the whole time. Sick ski. Very happy legs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Muggydude
I ended up mounting them at -1. I have ZERO racing background and ski from a neutral stance so i didnt want a ton of ski infront of me when trying to pivot and whip then around in the tight steep tech of Alpental. Stoked to try them out. I took a file to the edges from the unweighted contact points out, and then tried to smooth the transition from sharp AF to dull AF over a 2 inch section. im used to dull edges so im more worried about hookiness than i am about edge hold... especially for a pow ski.Quote:
Originally Posted by CascadeLuke
Ill be skiing with a file in my pocket the first couple days to refine the rough garage detune as needed. Stoked for winter. hope i don't detonate too much ptex on the first couple days out.
192 rules the day again. Ridge line blower with open GS and trees with some low angle and groomers
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I currently own two pair of Protests (187 tele & 192 alpine) and formerly skied the 195 Powderboards (Pre-spoon). If you ski 3D snow exclusively the pows rock. Just like above, think cat skiing or Silverton type days. For anything else that requires a runout on hardpack I’ll take the ease of the Protest and is the reason I sold the powder boards. Jackson tram laps with high speed groomers for 1/3 of the vert finally had me selling the pows. Just crushes your legs if you’re already spent and can’t just stand on an edge confidently at 30mph.Quote:
Originally Posted by Muggydude
Makes my protests drool....Quote:
Originally Posted by whyturn
Anyone else’s knees hurt after a big day on protests? Seems specific to protests as I’ve skied similar conditions with my other skis without a problem. Imma be heartbroken if these are now “too big/wide”...
It’s the width. The torque of getting them up on edge when it’s not powder kills my knees and hips. I have to spend serious time on my IT bands after time on them. Great skis, just very powder specific.Quote:
Originally Posted by TripleT
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I had an issue day 1 on them but it was driver error, like skibrd my IT bands were lit!!.....it’s all fall line skiing IMO until you get it in the soft/deep then the ski lights up in slarve, pivot and quickness. If you’re laying them over to get the small amount of side cut to really engage then an expectation on what the ski should do is warranted.
I draw a parallel to Mtn biking or dirtbiking when you hit the sand....just ease up on grip(in this case leg drive) and let it find its way through.
The protest loves to have the throttle smashed on it......Braaaaaaaaap!
You might need to 'loosen' them up. Try slightly more bevel on your base edge.Quote:
Originally Posted by TripleT
Mine came with almost no base bevel. A better tune improved them immensely.Quote:
Originally Posted by tuco
I spent the first part if the day bouncing through the ~24” of Mt Hood fluff on my 192s. Admiring them on the rides up, admiring them on the rides down.
Several times people on the lift and in the line commented on them. “Those are awesome,” they’d say. “Thanks!” I’d respond. “Are they actually made of bamboo?” “I think these are maple, ash, and paulownia!” “Wow, they totally look like bamboo.” Oh... panda poles. I clear coated them this summer to seal all the gashes, and now they absolutely glisten. People won’t leave me alone about them.
Could be psychosomatic, but I do find the 192s a little easier to swing around, even though they weigh in about the same as the 196s. I mounted bindings 1.5cm back from the dot and really like them there.
They shoosh through low angle pow and boof through high angle pow. Stopping frequently to regroup with my kids in the trees, I thought they were fine at all speeds.
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Glad you’re enjoying them more than I did!
I'm curious how the Protests compare to those Boneshakers you picked up, in your estimation.Quote:
Originally Posted by lucknau