Gaurdain/Tracker template is $$. Thanks again.
Ill post some pics of the finished mount tomorrow.
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Gaurdain/Tracker template is $$. Thanks again.
Ill post some pics of the finished mount tomorrow.
I was marking out my topsheets for a pair of Barons last night using the paper template and for some reason the spacing between the holes for the plate at the rear of the binding was off by a few mm lengthwise. I.e the holes for the rear of the plate on the template were too close to the holes at the front if that makes sense. I don't think it was an issue with print scaling since the width of the holes for the plate was spot on. The other 5 holes for the front seemed to line up perfectly perfect as well.
A few mm probably isn't the end of the world, but with inserts I think it would prevent the screws from sitting flush with the plate and the binding would probably bind when switching from ski to tour mode. With normal screws I think the screw would end op going in cockeyed at best, and they would probably still bind.
In the end I dug out a template that came with a pair of Dukes and all was good. I'm still wondering if anyone else has had this issue or did I just make a stupid fuckup that I'm somehow missing?
^^^ unless marker changed the design (doubtful) you did something wrong. more than 1000 people (seriously) have mounted duke/barons with this template.
What do you need for BSL measurement on the Guardian? I can take a picture of the jig tomorrow.
That's what I figured, there was no way I could be the only one that had a problem with the template. I tried reprinting and things came out correctly. I must have screwed up the scaling on just the heels when I printed a batch of templates.Quote:
Originally Posted by jondrums
I find it easier to drill the toe and heal first two holes with the paper template, then use the binding to mark the other holes.
Sorry for any inconvenience, ecskier7, I used a BIC pen to mark the holes using the jig, and it's a bit smaller in diameter than a bit, so a little wiggle room . . .Quote:
Originally Posted by ecskier7
Attachment 123717
From the centre of the rear toe holes to the BSL markings are....
109mm to 265 BSL (small)
114mm to 275 BSL
119mm to 285 BSL
124mm to 295 BSL
129mm to 305 BSL
134mm to 315 BSL (large)
139mm to 325 BSL
Etc.
From our weblog tips:
Printing & Scaling: Accuracy is very important and the first step to verify printed templates is to check their relative scale and see how the actual bindings sit on the template to visually see if the holes align.
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Check to see if the template has any scale or a dimension you can check with a ruler. Often the output from a printer can be slightly off for a variety of reasons. Scaling and reprinting may be necessary multiple times until you get it just right. If you cannot adjust the printing scale with your operating system or printing software, you may need to incorporate the use of graphics software that allows you to resize images and PDFs as needed before printing.
http://www.slidewright.com/weblog/wp...e2-400x281.jpg http://www.slidewright.com/weblog/wp...e3-400x292.jpg
In the example above, the original print was off (too big) by 1mm in 200mm, or 0.5%. Since we needed to decrease the size of the print, we scaled the image 99.5% (199mm/200mm) to get the accurate result. If we needed to increase the output the same 0.5%, then we would need to set the printing scale at 100.5% (200mm/199mm).
For many the 0.5% discrepancy may be just fine, but if there are several layout, drilling and mounting steps off by 0.5% each, it’s possible to be off by a couple millimeters. On the other hand, sometimes minute errors cancel each other out and you can end up with dead on results despite the relative inaccuracies and many bindings do have built in adjust-ability. Regardless, it is best to be as accurate (especially for AT tech bindings) as you can with each step while also realizing this is not heart surgery and that these tolerances may actually be tighter than some shops and their binding mount jigs.
Feeler, kinda: When I read about scaling issues, it brings up the idea I've been kicking around of leveraging my CAD software and wide format printer to offer a template printing service. With an 18" wide sheet a pair or two of one page templates by BSL could be printed. But then I can see all of the variables, time and expense and still more problems with little benefit. Is there a real need?
Another money Tracker/Guardian mount. Jondrums, I've lost track of how many six packs I owe you for starting and keeping this thread updated. Thanks a ton!
Dry mounted a 2x4. Tracker works well!
Don't know if this has been posted yet...Guardian template courtesy of Wildsnow
http://www.wildsnow.com/backcountry-...r-template.pdf
I have done 6-7 pairs of skis with no problems..til now.
I thought I 7-8 checked these guys before drilling, but I am off 1/8" on heel, and toe. both to the same side. The other ski is perfect. Is it worth putting dowels in and redrilling, or is it enough to even worry about. Since it is off to one side by an 1/8, that means I would be bringing it back a 1/16 to even it out. Everything else checks out good, length, pressure. etc. I am wondering if I would even notice it or not, but I figured I would ask the collective. It really irritates the shit out of me, because I want it right, but wonder if it would really be enough to notice. Really doubt I will get to use them that much down here, but anyways..
Lee
It'd bug me too but, it's tough to say that you or anyone would truly notice the 3mm and let it ruin your day. What kind of skis? Powder/soft snow skiing is less likely on fatties to be an issue than a high performance, narrow ski on hard pack.
I'd try 'em first and then see. If it bugs you, one option to moderate the difference between the skis might be to take a mm or so off the wider side's edge and little off each of the other ski's edges to alter the actual ski width at the edges.
Duke EPF created and linked. someone please verify - all I did was make the mounting holes at 46mm width instead of the old 36mm.
I forgot to mention the messup was on Patrons, 113 waist
Tracker/guardian +1
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Have searched for a paper template for the Look PX12 and have not found one. The look / Rossi templates I have found are good for the toe but too short for the heel. Can mount manually but if there is one available I would rather do it that way. Have searched without luck.
What about the PX Racing template?
off-topic, but it appears that you feel ok with those dynafit boots in the trackers? The jury has been out on how well they'll work with rockered vibram'ed boots.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bird Blaster
Bench testing looked ok to me. There is enough height adjustment in the Tracker that I can slide the paper under the vibram sole and see daylight under the sole. I didn't even max out the height adjustment on the toe. I can't imagine it being that much different than an STH toe, but I guess time will tell.Quote:
Originally Posted by jondrums
That's impressive. Must be doing something right.Quote:
Originally Posted by jondrums
Looks like the PX/Axial is real close, have to wait till I get home to double check. If it is off it is no more than 1/4" so I can adjust if necessary to make it work. The PX Racing heel is not long enough. Did not know the Binding Freedom site had them, thanks.
I used the template on page #1 of this thread the other day and it worked perfectly on some PX12's
What is the issue with the heel?
Quote:
Originally Posted by bigdude2468
Another thanks to Jon for this excellent reference, which I used again last night! :)
+1 for the Guardian template on the first page, mounted up perfect. Measure three times drill once and you'll be set!
Has anyone got around to figuring out the new PLUM pattern? It's the wide(r) base plate, you can see some pics here
http://www.wildsnow.com/8060/plum-tech-bindings-review/
Do the 2013 Look Pivot Bindings come with a paper template? I seem to remember when they brought them back2 years ago that it was included.
The 2012's did. See this post.
Thanks for your response. Every template I print the holes don't match up with the binding. Back to the drawing board!Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpinord
I've just mounted my first pair (with tyrolias). Everything went well, except one toe piece screw that is a spinner, but more or less tight. I think it will hold. Any suggestions?
Thanks, jondrums.
These templates are awesome. I'm about to use them to mount sollyfits. I watched the how-to video and have a question. I searched but couldn't find the answer. Is there any reason to use a hole punch instead of just folding the template at the bsl? seems like folding would make it easier to line up as long as you took your time to make sure it's in the right place.
If you use a hole punch you can see the lines you made for boot center and the center of the ski and line it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by tavis
Back to your original question: you were just asking as to whether or not the bindings come with a template, correct? What are you trying to accomplish? Do you have 2013's without the included template and trying to use a 2012 template (I have no idea if they are the same or changed for some reason.) Anyhow, this image shows the scan of the Look template with my CAD drawing overlaid (I mounted two pairs with it just fine) with some dimensions so you can verify printing scale:Quote:
Originally Posted by mrski00
http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/a...7&d=1329520668
Let me know know your BSL and I'll bang out a template for your size.
Yep. Like this:Quote:
Originally Posted by bern43
http://www.slidewright.com/weblog/wp...loads/BCL2.jpg
This Weblog Topic: Paper or Clear Plastic Ski Binding Templates also has some more hints.
But if you fold the template at the boot center, you just line up the fold with ski center...
As long as your fold is dead on. Punching the holes removes some variables and is visually obvious.
In continuation of the kinder, gentler TGR....fuck that! SEARCH JONG!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Skaramanga
http://www.google.com/cse/home?cx=01...55:goe34wkkkv8
+1 for the jester/griffon template, Just mounted some griffon demos today with inserts. Paper template was spot on. I used it to create a plexi jig. BF inserts are bomber also.
Hey Jon, I just mounted some sollyfits with the 2013 sth14 driver bindings. The design seems to be a little different than the 2012 and the included screw length guide is a bit off. For the heel piece, they now use the same 25mm bolts as the sth16. I haven't quite figured out the toe yet (did a test mount on a 2x4), but they seem to be a bit different as well.