Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

I do not think it’s being picked up enough in the media. Taking heads like Wen and Fauci do not seem to mention it at all (i bet it was negotiated as off limits in Fauci’s interview last night on PBS newshour).

The semantics, I remember hearing an interview conducted by Wachter about a year ago by some top tier researchers on the subject. They stated at that time that the term had been coined by those that were suffering. At that time, researchers wanted that term to be used because it empowered those that were suffering.

A friend of mine is part of the team that ID’ed likely compromised mitochondrial fxn causing slowing of oxidation of a fat a increased blood lactate accumulation. One likely pathology of one symptom.

Seeing someone that seems intelligent saying I’ve got ivermectin and why not, let’s take it tells me a lot. First, you don’t pay attention to doctors or scientists. Second, you don’t read up on medications and their effectiveness on particular health issues. Third, you’re reaching for a cure all that doesn’t do a damn thing.

Cmon man, dumbest statement you’ve put out in years.

Juneau School District changed it’s masking policy

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Masks are optional for most individuals while indoors in Juneau School District facilities and on school buses. The Board of Education met in a Special Meeting Tuesday night to discuss the JSD Mask Policy. Board members reviewed the current policy, took public input, and made revisions. The following Mask Policy (bit.ly/3qQO3jA) was unanimously approved:

"Masks, or similar facial coverings designed to mitigate COVID-19 transmission and are well-fitted covering the mouth and nose, are optional for all persons indoors in Juneau School District facilities. The Superintendent has the authority to require face masks in certain situations, including but not limited to:

• People in contact with another person identified as “high risk” for severe disease shall wear a mask when indoors with that/those individual(s).

• People with exposure to someone with COVID-19 (i.e., close contacts) shall wear a mask per current CDC guidelines applicable for K-12 settings.

If masking is required in school settings, it will generally be implemented from individual close contacts to programs, to classrooms, to building-level based on circumstances."

This past Saturday, April 23, the school district implemented a mask requirement (bit.ly/3OFFEK2) due to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention changing Juneau’s Alert Level to High (bit.ly/35gk8JO). At the time, JSD’s Mask Policy hinged on CDC’s community level. Juneau officials now know this tool doesn’t align with what’s happening locally, specifically when it comes to hospitalizations. CDC’s hospitalization metrics are calculated by aggregating boroughs/census areas into “Health Service Areas" (bit.ly/3vlzhUo). A large section of Southeast – including Yakutat, Skagway, Haines, Hoonah, Angoon, Juneau, and Sitka – are all part of Juneau’s Health Service Area. Data from all hospitals in a Health Service Area are added together to calculate the hospitalization metric. COVID-19 hospitalizations in communities outside Juneau caused Juneau’s overall community level to switch to High. CBJ still considers the local community health risk from COVID-19 to be minimal.

As a reminder, people may choose to mask indoors in JSD facilities, on school buses or outdoors on school district grounds at any time. It is an individual decision that students, staff members and visitors are free to make without judgment. Parents who wish their child to wear a mask should communicate directly with their child about the expectation.

^^exactly. Also doesn’t align with 10,000-15,000 cruise ship passengers arriving daily in a month.

Plus, Fauci says we’re out of pandemic and in endemic phase;)

Besides the fallacy of the cdc guidelines and fauci moving goal posts, how are they dealing with medically fragile special needs kids at the SD? If they followed that rule in California, at least the schools that my wife works at, most or all the peeps at the schools would need to mask-up because of medically fragile special needs kids. Also, I’d imagine there are teachers/staff that also fit into the “‘high risk’ of severe disease” category.

Neighbor is under the weather with Covid. She is a teacher, 3x vaxxed, husband and son had Covid in Feb. 21 they are vaxxed.

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Neighbor is under the weather with Covid. She is a teacher, 3x vaxxed, husband and son had Covid in Feb. 21 they are vaxxed.

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The VP and half of congress have gotten it this month. I wore a mask in a classroom for an hour with 3 other people today. I was the only one covering up. I get that it probably won't be bad if even noticeable if I get it.. I still don't want to get it.. and have to isolate because that sucks too.. ..

I don’t understand why people feel it’s necessary to continually point out infections amongst those with the vax and subsequent boosters. We’ve known it happens for over a year now, don’t need to report it every time it occurs. Are these people showing up at the ICU? Most are not, so the shots are working. Not news, move along


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Placebo does work.

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Placebo works. Take aspirin. Sell the ivermectin.

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... Media is pushing it hard, too...

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What is the obsession with “the media” pushing anything at all? Are they selling ads based on eyeballs on their stories, or is this part of the so fucking tired narrative that “the media” has it out for conservatives somehow!?!

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I don’t understand why people feel it’s necessary to continually point out infections amongst those with the vax and subsequent boosters. We’ve known it happens for over a year now, don’t need to report it every time it occurs. Are these people showing up at the ICU? Most are not, so the shots are working. Not news, move along


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You might want to check the abstract of the article that I posted upthread https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...101-1/fulltext

The research was funded by Pfizer and some of the analysis was completed by Pfizer, but these were Kaiser SoCal patients. Also, some of their confidence intervals were pretty wide.

Here’s a relevant part:
“Analyses were done for 11,123 hospital or emergency department admissions. In adjusted analyses, effectiveness of two doses of the BNT162b2 [pfizer] vaccine against the omicron variant was 41% (95% CI 21–55) against hospital admission and 31% (16–43) against emergency department admission at 9 months or longer after the second dose. After three doses, effectiveness of BNT162b2 against hospital admission due to the omicron variant was 85% (95% CI 80–89) at less than 3 months but fell to 55% (28–71) at 3 months or longer, although confidence intervals were wide for the latter estimate. Against emergency department admission, the effectiveness of three doses of BNT162b2 against the omicron variant was 77% (72–81) at less than 3 months but fell to 53% (36–66) at 3 months or longer. “

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Everybody has long covid now, or so it seems.

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It’s like 35-55% of those infected no?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kFqK2M_FK7o

This is a FNIH discussion from October 2021 which is pre omicron.

They present the stats as 50% rate in hospitalized patients and 10-30% in mild cases.

Would be interested in how vaccinated changes the equation but the reality is that many people got CoVID who were not vaccinated.

I dunno, round here CBS is pretty conservative… and even they are talking about long covid!?!

Maybe you’re on to something!

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The political comics--Stewart, Oliver, et al--have been pointing out the group think in the media for years .

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You might want to check the abstract of the article that I posted upthread https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...101-1/fulltext

The research was funded by Pfizer and some of the analysis was completed by Pfizer, but these were Kaiser SoCal patients. Also, some of their confidence intervals were pretty wide.

Here’s a relevant part:
“Analyses were done for 11,123 hospital or emergency department admissions. In adjusted analyses, effectiveness of two doses of the BNT162b2 [pfizer] vaccine against the omicron variant was 41% (95% CI 21–55) against hospital admission and 31% (16–43) against emergency department admission at 9 months or longer after the second dose. After three doses, effectiveness of BNT162b2 against hospital admission due to the omicron variant was 85% (95% CI 80–89) at less than 3 months but fell to 55% (28–71) at 3 months or longer, although confidence intervals were wide for the latter estimate. Against emergency department admission, the effectiveness of three doses of BNT162b2 against the omicron variant was 77% (72–81) at less than 3 months but fell to 53% (36–66) at 3 months or longer. “

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Read the paper. To me it seems impossible for them to know how well the vaccines are working to prevent hospitalization since they based their analysis only on the 11,123 people admitted to the hospital with the conditions they deemed related to COVID...upper respiratory infection and positive COVID test. I think they still would pick up people who went to the hospital for another issue. Home testing and other limitations seem to be unaccounted for.

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I don’t understand why people feel it’s necessary to continually point out infections amongst those with the vax and subsequent boosters. We’ve known it happens for over a year now, don’t need to report it every time it occurs. Are these people showing up at the ICU? Most are not, so the shots are working. Not news, move along


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Just because getting COVID while vaxxed isn't likely an ICU death sentence anymore doesn't mean it's not worth trying to avoid while it's still infecting a lot of people.

I don't want to get it and have to isolate for 5-10 days, probably infecting my whole family who will also then have to isolate for 5-10 days. We're too damned close to making this entirely gone to just give up and all risk getting it. Not saying to masks everywhere indoors all the time... Just suggesting that places where people are cooped up together in tight spaces for more than 20 minutes should consider sticking with the masks until it's GONE.

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The political comics--Stewart, Oliver, et al--have been pointing out the group think in the media for years .

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trackheads political brainworms are more google induced BaaderMeinhoff phenomenon. Wow articles months apart :rolleyes:

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Read the paper. To me it seems impossible for them to know how well the vaccines are working to prevent hospitalization since they based their analysis only on the 11,123 people admitted to the hospital with the conditions they deemed related to COVID...upper respiratory infection and positive COVID test. I think they still would pick up people who went to the hospital for another issue. Home testing and other limitations seem to be unaccounted for.

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If hospitalization + ER visits are the studied outcome, what would you expect to learn from home tests? Are the "other limitations" also accounted for right in the study title?

"Durability of BNT162b2 vaccine against hospital and emergency department admissions due to the omicron and delta variants in a large health system in the USA: a test-negative case–control study"

You can't learn everything you might want to know there. But when you can't conduct a double-blind placebo controlled study this kind of evidence should be considered FWIW. (Kind of a general statement. Any study that's put together after the fact or uses a self-selecting study or control group should be discounted as appropriate--which is probably not to zero.)

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Just because getting COVID while vaxxed isn't likely an ICU death sentence anymore doesn't mean it's not worth trying to avoid while it's still infecting a lot of people.

I don't want to get it and have to isolate for 5-10 days, probably infecting my whole family who will also then have to isolate for 5-10 days. We're too damned close to making this entirely gone to just give up and all risk getting it. Not saying to masks everywhere indoors all the time... Just suggesting that places where people are cooped up together in tight spaces for more than 20 minutes should consider sticking with the masks until it's GONE.

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It will never be gone. Covid zero won’t happen.

Duh.

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It will never be gone. Covid zero won’t happen.

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I'll take COVID infections clearly below regular flu infections.. Until then I'm keeping the mask when cooped up with strangers sharing airspace for more than 20 minutes together. Walking through a store or standing in a short line, no worries.. In a 10 by 10 room with several others for an hour.. Not comfortable yet..

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through April 21, 2022

> 280,000 new cases for the week

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tra...nds_dailycases

> 2,100 deaths for the week

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tra...ds_dailydeaths


' (please) be careful out there... '


skiJ

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for week ending April 29, 2022,

new cases > 400,000

deaths ( for the week) > 2,100

References in the post above.

' Glad I'm boostered x2.
' glad omicron is not more pathologic...


Good luck. skiJ

1 million deaths!

it’s just the flu though