Well the space blanket on the liners definitely did insulated my feet better. They are starting to wear a bit (which I expected) but not too bad. Will upload photos later.
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Well the space blanket on the liners definitely did insulated my feet better. They are starting to wear a bit (which I expected) but not too bad. Will upload photos later.
Could there be a chance that the boot is too narrow/tight somewhere and restricting blood flow? The liner is actually decent for 1kg boot but it pinched my foot so badly, I sold before punching like crazy.Quote:
Originally Posted by NorCalNomad
Big toe is a little cramped but this is one of the only boots that doesn't crush the shit of out my instep (which is one of the key areas for hot blood to go to your foot). There is a few local/close enough shops that are willing to punch the cf plastic in these so want to get just a smidge of a medial punch on the big toe and see if I can convince them to do a little punch on the most rearward section of my 5th metatarsal since that's the only other area that bothers me. The heel and cuff fit is awesome which is usually a challenge for my foot. Zero hot spots on our 7m 3k approach with a 45lb pack.Quote:
Originally Posted by djhutch
Looking to build out a setup for long tours in the sierras this spring. Also flexible enough for big winter missions. My heavy setup is a 4frnt Raven 190cm.
I like to ski aggressivly down the fall line. Typically in bigger radius turns and have fun on the runouts, but will dial it back a bit if I'm many miles into the woods. I havent skied anything under 100mm waist or shorter than 190cm in...a decade?
I'm looking at at the Atomic Backland 85, the Blizzard ZeroG 85 and Zero G 95... Any thoughts on these as potential options? Or something else I should look at?
Thanks!
Alex
That sounds like a zero g might be a good candidate. Light and stiff and like to be skied aggressively.Quote:
Originally Posted by ThisAintCheckerz
I have an older generation zero g 95 that I want to sell (cheap) if you are interested.
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Yeah the ZeroG 95 is definitely a pretty amazing ski for how light it is vs how damp it feels.
Another vote for the Zero G 95. I also have ravens also and find that they complement each other well. If I expect 3-D snow I take the Ravens, 2-D snow, I’ll take the Zero G.
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The zero g 95 seems like a good pick. I'm 215 and they will likely be my next "skinny" touring ski.
The zero g 85 is considerably softer and friendlier than the 95.
The backland 85 is also likely to be overpowered by a large human. I haven't skied the backland 95, but i believe it's the stiffest of the narrow backlands (vs 85 and 100)
I have tried pretty much all the skinny skis. For the most part, they all have too much sidecut and get hooked up in weird snow, and most have very stiff, punishing tails. The only skinny ski that will ski like a Raven is the discontinued Volkl BMT 94, but you can find a used pair of 186s if you look (176 are almost impossible to find). The upcoming Heritage Lab C90 is also very promising. The Down LD90 is nice, I found the tails to be too stiff but I had to mount forward due to a hole conflict and I only weigh 145lbs. While I think the BMT 94 is an excellent ski, I like having something closer to 1kg and I've found the Atomic Backland UL85 to be the least-bad 1kg ski because it has a nice round flex and relatively low camber. I haven't skied the Backland 95 but I found the Backland 100 to have a very punishingly stiff tail, the Backland UL85 is a much better ski for lighter skiers.
Question on boot/ski compatibility - recently skiied Down CD102L w/ LS Skorpius, which I've found to be fine on corn and pow. In breakable/heavy windslab really struggled to get the skis to turn in a way that made the skiing not fun, surprising for a ski w/ a 25m turning radius, and not experienced with the same ski and ZGTP. The question is, would that kind of problem be mitigated by a shorter/softer ski with the same boot? Or, is that just part of the compromise with a soft boot.
My mid-winter touring setup is significantly heavier and fatter, but skis great in any sort of bad snow like that.
My bad-snow setup is Dynafit Beast 108 with LS Skorpius. I could probably ski a bit better with a 4-buckle but the Beast is a very friendly ski that releases easily in all types of snow. You can ski fat skis with light boots in all snow types if they are friendly shapes, but you can't go as fast as you would on a bigger boot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Backward_Banana
I like the backland 95 a lot, i weigh 220 pounds with my touring gear though. I have the 177 and it’s stable enough for any speed i’m interested in going in weird snowQuote:
Originally Posted by Benneke10
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At risk of drifting from skinny ski discussion….Quote:
Originally Posted by Benneke10
Blister said this about the Backland 107 as well and after two years on a pair I have no idea WTF they were talking about
I think that the recommended mount points on the Backland 100 and 107 are way too far forward, which results in the tail feeling too stiff or unruly, especially with lighter boots. I moved my bindings 2cm back on my 100’s and found it completely changed the feel of the ski. Much friendlier now, and better behaved in 3-D snow.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcpnz
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The 100 and 107 are very different skis. The 107 is a much more forgiving, playful ski than the 100. Even mounted behind the line the 100 just does not like to make turns at slower speeds.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcpnz
I’m wondering if you’re to light for the backland 100? I’m 180 and feel like the 100 is super easy to get along with. I mounted 1.5 behind the line. I use the 100 for my touring far when I don’t know what kind of snow I’m going to encounter ski. Really enjoy it for a wide range of conditions and for it weight to width it’s pretty darn good. I really like how the ski can ski pretty loose with tips and tails pretty heavily detuned. Take all this with a huge grain of salt though cause it’s all just my opinion;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Benneke10
I gave up on owning anything under 100 underfoot a few years ago with our shit snow pack.
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I don't think the Backland 100 are bad skis, I think the shape and weight are very nice and there aren't many any skis in that weigh class that I would say are significantly better. I just felt that they were much more demanding than my BMT 94s and even the Backland UL85.
The backland 100 handles very similarly to a ZeroG 95 IME. The 2nd gen and current versions do, at least.
The 1st gen Zero G was a lot looser than all three of those IME. I’m looking at mine now, and the camber has faded so much that they look like a flat ski with early rise tip and tails. It’s a closer rocker pattern to my BC Daemon’s than my newer Zero G’s.
I think the Backland 100 would be absolutely dreamy in its current construction, but with a low splay, rocker/flat/rocker profile like this.
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Ah, that makes sense. For sure the bmt 94 is easier. I loved that ski, but my well over used knees had to go back to camber for a little added suspension [emoji22] BMT 94 was such a sick ski, bummer they quit making it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Benneke10
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I'll second the 85 UL being a nice, predictable ski for the weight. I prefer progressively mounted skis, am skiing these on the line and am not experiencing any notable issues in anything but breakable crust which was to be expected anyway. Pleasantly surprised, I'm using them way more than i anticipated.
This prob belongs here more than anywhere else; wildsnow was purchased by the quacks who run bikerumor and gearjunkie.
https://allgeardigital.com/
My assumption is that it is effectively dead. RIP.
Interesting. Wasn’t it sold to Cripple Creek a few years ago?
It’s still better than Outside buying it… watching what they’ve done to Cycling Tips has been a bit upsetting. It went from the best content out there to garbage pretty quickly.
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Originally Posted by Westcoaster
Wow, wildly different takes on the backlands.
Again, I'm 215lbs... I own and have skied (a lot) the 188cm 100 and the 189cm 107. I find the 100 to be by far the easier ski. I'm also mounted back 1.5. I really enjoy the 100 but find it slightly on the soft side in the tip and a bit lacking in edge hold when things get very steep and firm. That said I have really enjoyed it as my spring do everything ski in the eastern sierra. Enough that I'm pretty torn about replacing it with something else.
The 107 I mounted right on the line and perhaps I should have gone back on that as well. The tail on the 189 107 is pretty legit. Very fun when it's launching you out of turns on perfect corn, but a handful when you get into any kind of funky crusts. It's light, energetic and floats well for it's size, but I personally would not call it playful outside of those characteristics. It feels very directional and likes to be on edge. Unless you're in consistent pow. Then it loosens up a fair amount.
Cool, everyone should be sufficiently confused about these skis now, lol.
FYI, wild snow discussion also got restarted here, a few more comments…
https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...d-alternatives
Ahh sorry I missed itQuote:
Originally Posted by tang
One thing I've noticed about all the Backlands is that they ship with no bevel so they feel more locked in out of the box than they should. Interesting to hear a different take, I might be skewed because I tried a longer length in the 100 than I normally tour on. TLDR the Backlands are decent skis with room for improvement, and the UL85 are my favorite in the series.
I'm still waiting for the other shoe to drop with how Outside bought SkiReg, which I use for my skimo races.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tailwind
SkiReg/AthleteReg had been a locally owned company, right where I live -- I would even sometimes see their logo-festooned car parked next to my daughter's elementary school, and the owner was well known in local riding circles.
So far this season SkiReg has merely been bloated with various optional purchases, but otherwise still good.
It's hard for me to imagine the level of factory bevel making any difference in backcountry snow.
Zero G seems like a good rec for the 4frnts guy although one thing to consider is how hard it is to ski on exits and bad conditions. It requires so much effort (for me) to ski normally (but is way more popular with former ski racers and bigger people) that I was totally overwhelmed when I got below 20 mph. Just a really taxing ski.
For a long tour setup for the sierras in the spring, how much would you size down your skinny ski, while still wanting enough length and stability for long descents?
It’s worth noting that the first generation Zero G is the most demanding, with subsequent generations being softer and friendlier. I would not consider myself an incredibly aggressive skier, and the 2nd gen Zero G’s feel friendly enough for me.
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Originally Posted by abcdethan
One thing that made that easier for me is that I’m tall, but not that heavy (6’5”, 170lbs).
So when I “sized down” my spring ski length wise, to 178cm, it’s still pretty “normal” for my weight.
My theory is that on firm snow, your weight matters more than your height. So if you are a heavier skier, maybe don’t down size (much)
I weigh 170lbs, plus my backpack on top of that.
I bought the Backland 85UL, 178cm and 100 in 188 cm this season.
I used the 100 in Utah for a few days, mix of deep powder (2’-3’) and the same when it had been warmed up and settled a bit.
I ski slow, controlled turns in the trees, and found them pretty easy to ski. I’m not a good skier either.
My 85UL I have had out in shallow powder, where they did well, skied off stuff they did well, and on crust, where they sucked, and dust on crust (nice, except every once in a while, the tail grabbed into the crust and locked me into a straight line).
They skied fine on mellow groomers too.
Hope to have more time on both by the end of the season, for a better idea of how they do.
I do plan on checking the base bevels, and maybe detuning the tails (a bit more).
PSA these are 30% off right nowQuote:
Originally Posted by CirqueScaler
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Trigger pulled, looks great for spring. Nice and light, decent pockets.
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DUDE I bought these two days ago??Quote:
Originally Posted by fleaches
Lol I actually bought some last week too, but think I bought the wrong size. Going to try to exchange and get the lower price, minus some shipping cost.Quote:
Originally Posted by CirqueScaler
Might try contacting them and asking if they'll give you the difference?
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Yeah, Cirque I'd definitely reach out and ask them to price match. They should be good for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by fleaches
it’s a good this thread is for skinny skis not skinny skiers or I’d be kicked out
how skinny is skinny?
I’d say under 100mm unless it’s between memorial day and halloween, then under 90. But I’m in the PNW, might be a factor
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