Good. Nutrition science is, for the most part, an oxymoron.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dantheman
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Good. Nutrition science is, for the most part, an oxymoron.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dantheman
The AIM meat paper got a pretty favorable write-up by the Executive Editor of Science-Based Medicine: https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/the...t-controversy/
Looking forward to seeing Michael Greger's hot take.
That shit is awesome!Quote:
Originally Posted by MakersTeleMark
Not sure where to post this.
Lots of maggot ...um maggots out there.
Baby Food
The study found that 26% of containers tested contained lead, cadmium, arsenic and mercury, and 94% of containers tested contained lead.
https://www.9news.com/article/news/n...6-1ceb9e9ea7fb
In what concentrations though?
If you stop to think about it, it makes total sense that you would find that stuff in a significant amount of food that is mechanically pulverized. That equipment undergoes wear, and a lot of those metals exist in the alloys used to make it.
Just watched The Game Changers, going strict vegan starting tomorrow. Going to miss turkey, but really looking forward to being a dick to everyone eating some.
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Originally Posted by Dantheman
https://www.menshealth.com/nutrition...ie-fact-check/
I haven't watched that yet and kinda didn't want to until I read that ^^^ "rebuttal." Now I'm probably going to have to watch. But I think I'll wait until after turkey; I think I'm pretty plant-based anyway.
Men's Health making meat defenders sound like Ron Johnson:
Of course, as a group, vegetarians are lighter. Which doesn't hurt power to weight ratios, but does lightness correlate with lower mean muscle creatine concentrations? Point being, "as a group" is a rather artless dodge of appropriate statistical interpretation.Quote:
“as a group, vegetarians have lower mean muscle creatine concentrations than do omnivores, and this may affect supramaximal exercise performance.”
Which seemed kinda typical:
No shit? Well in that case, why are we even discussing it?Quote:
It’s impressive, but diet is only a small piece of overall health.
And right after they discuss the difference between absolute and relative cancer risks (with all the implications for misinterpretation, which apparently was misinterpreted) they throw out this little nugget in support of careful marinade selection:
Sweet. Sounds like I should get me some vinegar and cancel the scans! Wow.Quote:
You could even go so far as to say "virtually eliminate your risk", as they can decrease HCA formation by up to 99 percent, says St. Pierre.
so how's that going for you? other than the being a dick to everyone, we already know you have that one dialed. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dantheman
I go meatless 1-2x/week so I am only an asshole sometimes.
You didn't honestly think I'd go vegan the day before Thanksgiving? Sure as hell have not actually gone vegan. The movie is a joke filled with stupid gimmicks, bad science and outright lies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danno
No, I didn't think you went vegan. Was just looking back at this thread and laughed at that post.
Thanks for the heads up. I really hate wasting time watching propaganda films.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dantheman
Cellulose is murder.
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"For the first time, researchers appear to have evidence that, like animals, plants can audibly vocalize their agony when deprived of water or forced to endure bodily harm."Quote:
Originally Posted by beece
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart...als-180973716/
And the angel of the lord came unto me, snatching me up from my place of slumber, and took me on high, and higher still until we moved to the spaces betwixt the air itself. And he brought me into a vast farmland of our own Midwest. And as we descended, cries of impending doom rose from the soil. One thousand, nay, a million voices full of fear. And terror possessed me then.
And I begged, "Angel of the Lord, what are these tortured screams?"
And the angel said unto me, "These are the cries of the carrots. The cries of the carrots.
You see, Reverend Maynard, tomorrow is harvest day and to them it is the holocaust".
And I sprang from my slumber drenched in sweat like the tears of one million terrified brothers and roared, "Hear me now, I have seen the light! They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers!"
Can I get an amen? Can I get a hallelujah?
Thank you, Jesus
this
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Mind giving your top 5 arguments against the film so that I can antagonize vegans? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dantheman
Yes!Quote:
Originally Posted by zion zig zag
This please.
C'mon man, why do you put that on me?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dantheman
James Cameron is the founder and CEO of Verdiant Foods, an enormous organic pea protein company. Just a slight conflict of interest.Quote:
Originally Posted by zion zig zag
The Gladitor thing was ridiculous. The study that they reference isn’t actually a study. It’s a short anecdotal article from a contributing writer to an archaeological journal (this is it: https://archive.archaeology.org/0811...gladiator.html). Gladiators were mostly slaves being fed gruel; they were often referred to as "hordearii" or "barley men" and it was a term of derision. Per the cited "study" they were also fat and had to drink "vile brews" of charred wood and bone ash to avoid calcium deficiency.
Regarding the Diaz-McGregor fight, they failed to mention that 1) McGregor went up 2 weight classes to fight Diaz and was at least 15-20 lbs lighter than Diaz in the ring; 2) McGregor beat Diaz in a later rematch; 3) while Diaz eats a lot less meat than McGregor, he's not actually vegan. A bunch of the other athletes they feature aren't strict vegans either, though they strongly imply that they are.
The strongman they feature heavily, Patrick Baboumian, is actually vegan but eats a metric fuckton of protein powders and supplements, competes in a strongman division that doesn't test for PEDs, and while he's definitely a strong dude he's far from one of the world's top strongman competitors. He did briefly hold a WR for yoke carry that has since been shattered by other competitors who eat tons of meat.
Kendrick Farris may be the USA's best Olympic lifter, but he's never finished better than 8th internationally. Why didn't they mention Ilya Ilyin of Kazakhstan, who is also a vegan and a 2x Olympic champion in the same weight class? Oh, right, he was later stripped of his titles for PED use.
The bench press/beet juice study they reference massively misrepresented the findings of that study. There's tons more misrepresentations like this, other egregious cherry-picking, use of small unreplicated studies published in 2nd- and 3rd-tier journals, and omissions of studies that don't support their claims. There's lots of articles out there where people have aggregated the various instances of this stuff. Also shitloads of stats pulled from epidemiological studies hopelessly confounded by healthy user bias.
The gorilla and "have you ever seen an ox eat meat?" shit is too stupid to dignify with a response.
OMG one hour of battle ropes! An hour that was clearly a staged reenactment of something that may or may not have actually happened, and even if it did, who gives a fuck that you can battle rope for an hour?
The views of the anthropologist interviewed at the end run counter to what virtually all respectable anthropologists believe. There's solid evidence showing ancient hominids were eating meat at least 2.5 million years years ago. FFS, chimps, our closest living relatives, hunt and eat monkeys all the time (and they're damn good at it). The implication that pre-agricultural humans were too weak and stupid to hunt effectively not only has no foundation in the archeological record, it's deeply insulting to those people and kinda racist.
Fuck, that's way more than five and I've wasted way too much time writing that.
I'm sure that film will be all the rage in Pugetopolis in 3...2...1...
Thanks Danthe. Love having the ammo.
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Conor McGregor came out of retirement yesterday and TKO'ed UFC's all-time wins leader Donald Cerrone in 40 seconds. Must have gone vegan.
I heard he clocked him with a zucchini he had hidden in his shorts.
That was the other PPV.Quote:
Originally Posted by iceman
Could a Keto Diet Be Bad for Athletes’ Bones?
Race walkers on a low-carbohydrate, high-fat ketogenic diet showed early signs indicative of bone loss.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/05/w...tes-bones.html
I'm not a keto advocate, but that seems like a weak study. 3-week duration concurrent with intense low-impact aerobic training (something that tends to be correlated with reduced bone density all on it's own, osteopenia is common in high-level endurance cyclists). Also, they did not measure bone density directly--they tracked blood markers associated with bone formation and breakdown. Why not do before/after DEXA scans? DEXA is cheap, I don't get it.
FWIW, Zach Bitter, the current 100-mile WR holder, eats a diet that is basically keto and super heavy on animal products.
How big was the sample size? Also, is there a chance the hormones correct or bounce back after an extended period of time? 3 weeks doesn't seem long enough to really say anything for sure. and +1 on using scans instead of blood markers - water down their results with an unnecessary layer of 'association?'
Not a keto advocate either, but it's fun to read about.
If it sounds too good to be true ..
My gut tells me any kind of extreme diet regimen is going to have some kind of negative consequences.
30 people, full text of the study is available: https://www.frontiersin.org/articles....00880/full#F1Quote:
Originally Posted by MiddleOfNight
No details provided about what they actually ate.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full...8.2020.1741505
"The majority of studies, and especially the higher quality studies, showed that those who avoided meat consumption had significantly higher rates or risk of depression, anxiety, and/or self-harm behaviors."
This seems apropos.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dantheman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgWHUlwUYCo
Causation or correlation?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dantheman
Or, chicken or the egg?
Full text is available if you want to dig deeper: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/...10cnVlQEBAMA==Quote:
Originally Posted by Skistack
Found the following within:
So, with only one RCT available there's no way to say either way. They also menton that there could be some reverse-causation happening where people with existing mental health issues are more likely to adopt vegetarian diets post-diagnosis. The one RCT that met the inclusion/exclusion criteria also had some issues:Quote:
"This qualitative analysis resulted in 18 papers that met the inclusion/exclusion criteria. These included 16 cross-sectional, 1 mixed cross-sectional and longitudinal study, and 1 RTC."
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"Across all studies, there was no evidence to support a causal relation between the consumption or avoidance of meat and any psychological outcomes. However, three studies provided evidence suggesting (contradictory) temporal relations between meat-abstention and depression and anxiety."
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"Third, despite the high confidence we place in our finding that meat-abstention is linked to psychological disorders, study designs and lack of rigor precluded valid inferences of temporality and causality."
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"In 2012, Beezhold and Johnston (2012) conducted a RCT in which 39 self-characterized omnivores (82% female) were assigned to one of three groups: lacto-vegetarian (i.e., avoided all animal foods except dairy), ovo-pescatarian (i.e., avoided meat and poultry but consumed fish and eggs), or omnivore (i.e., consumed meat and/or poultry at least once daily). Their results suggested that restricting meat, fish, and poultry improved some domains of short-term mood states. As detailed in our discussion, this study had major design flaws (e.g., potential observer-expectancy effects) and errors in interpretation and communication (e.g., nonequivalent groups at baseline, failure to recognize regression to the mean)."
I usually try and eat healthy. I also eat whatever I want.
My aunt and uncle were always into health foods and eating correct diets. She's almost 94 now. Uncle, he passed away over 30 years ago.
That's what's gonna clog your arteries, give you heart disease and kill ya.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danno
And higher rates of self-righteousness as well in subjects were observed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dantheman
After over 2 years of keto or just very low carb (because I'm not truly keto anymore most days), my cholesterol numbers are interesting. My HDL went up, my triglycerides went down, so that's good news. But my LDL went way up, which is bad news by the standard approach, but may be fine.