Truck Tire Time

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Originally Posted by LightRanger

Yeah. I remember Big O had to special order them for us. But that wasn't in the mountains. What you related was just shit company rep to dealer communications. Pretty inexcusable.

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Yup, i had to special order from my Cooper tire shop as well. They thought it was weird that i would be ordering those tires over the AT3s, but about 12months later when i came back in (they do my oil changes sometimes too) the owner came out and commented that he put some ATWs on his truck to try them out and now thinks they are the best tire that Cooper makes. It seems like the cooper reps dont push the tire very hard to the shops, so inturn the shops dont push the tire to the customers. Shame.

My current cooper ATW’s are load index of 116 on a land cruiser. How much rougher is the truck going to feel with tire indexed at 120 or 123 for a single tire? “LT” tires that I’m seeing are 120-ish load index, which makes sense as e rated, “10 ply” tires. The coopers at 116, have been fine and I’d assume other tires at 116 would be similar.

Studded tires in 265/75r16? Seems like a weird/difficult size for studded.

Been driving the canyon alot early in the AM. Possibly will be driving it every day this winter. BFG AT TA KOs don't seem all that great when it's solid ice or really cold. I guess no tires are unless studded.

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Originally Posted by Whiteroom_Guardian

Studded tires in 265/75r16? Seems like a weird/difficult size for studded.

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No studs.

Shortlist for me: general grabber artic LT, hankook ipike (116 load index), cooper discoverer m+s (116 load index). All other brands/models are a lot more $$. I do not find the trade off of short wear life of blizzaks worthwhile (I’ve run sets blizzaks on several cars over the past 10 yrs).

I have run through several batches of general studdable winter tires on a subi and have been very happy with them. Also used Nokian WR2 and blizzak ws70(?) on that subi.

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Originally Posted by Whiteroom_Guardian

Studded tires in 265/75r16? Seems like a weird/difficult size for studded.

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If your wheels aren't super wide you could run a 235/85r16, they are the same height but narrower. You'll only find LR E though. What rig are they going on?

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Originally Posted by snowaddict91

If your wheels aren't super wide you could run a 235/85r16, they are the same height but narrower. You'll only find LR E though. What rig are they going on?

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A Tundra TuRD with the beadlock wheels like these: (photo stolen from the internet)

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Originally Posted by Whiteroom_Guardian

A Tundra TuRD with the beadlock wheels like these: (photo stolen from the internet)

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Hmm, probably too narrow for a Tundra. They'd look good on the Taco in that pick though. Quick search looks like you can get Cooper M+S in 265/75r16 for under $500. That's what I would do.

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Originally Posted by Whiteroom_Guardian

A Tundra TuRD with the beadlock wheels like these: (photo stolen from the internet)

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I misunderstood your previous post. You and I are looking for the same size tire, but studded vs not studded. See my list above, all of those tires can be studded. Tire rack and America’s tire (discount tire) are the online sources that I’m see with the best prices. I’m pretty sure that the hankook’s and the cooper’s are available in that size both as 116 load rating (d? rate) or as 123 load rating (LT E rate).

Any insight into the Dynapro ATM vs the new AT-2? I'm buying a 2011 Nissan Frontier and live in snow country for 5 months a year. I'm quibbling on if I want to have a set of snows & some sort of AT tire for the summer or just try to get by year round with one set. I'm figuring on weight in the bed, plus canopy but I'm unsure of what I'm getting into in comparison to my 99 Outback with Blizzaks for the winter. Winter driving will be 80-90% driving on snow vs doing the wet pavement commute to the ski hill.

Any thoughts?

If you can afford it, get two sets of tires/wheels

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Originally Posted by bodywhomper

If you can afford it, get two sets of tires/wheels

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Ditto. With that amount of driving on snow, you should really try to get a 2nd set of dedicated winter tires.

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Originally Posted by Toadman

Ditto. With that amount of driving on snow, you should really try to get a 2nd set of dedicated winter tires.

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3rded. You'll feel a pretty serious departure from an outback with snows.

Ugh. Will do. Thanks guys.

Looking for some recommendations.

I have an F-150 w/ Goodyear wranglers. Tread is starting to get a bit low.

My wife and I road trip 12-15 hours to ski, long story but my job took me away from mountain areas for a little while.

We’re going to be up and down berthoud pass a few times this year and driving up and around mt rose highway.

Need tires that are fine on the road for the trips but also will handle snow well on those crappy steep hills.

Looking at cooper AT/Ws, toyo at2s, at3w falkens and cooper ATPs.

Thanks!


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FYI Costco has excellent deal on Blizzaks right now. $110 off set of 4 installed (for any Bridgestone tire). $150 off any set of 4 Michelin’s installed.

I just had discount tire price match it, ended up being $675 installed for Blizzaks 255/70/r18 for the F150. Promotion ends Dec 24th


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Originally Posted by Cdalpra

Looking for some recommendations.

I have an F-150 w/ Goodyear wranglers. Tread is starting to get a bit low.

My wife and I road trip 12-15 hours to ski, long story but my job took me away from mountain areas for a little while.

We’re going to be up and down berthoud pass a few times this year and driving up and around mt rose highway.

Need tires that are fine on the road for the trips but also will handle snow well on those crappy steep hills.

Looking at cooper AT/Ws, toyo at2s, at3w falkens and cooper ATPs.

Thanks!


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If you mean Wrangler Duratracs then I still think it's an argument of KO2 vs. Duratracs, around here anyway those are the only snowflake rated truck tires anybody buys.

I wish tire companies would divulge when or if they change the compounds in their tires but I lean KO2 due to:
- a newer design vs. the 10 year+ Duratrac, this leads me to suspect also more tech has been put into the KO2 compound
- more surface area on the KO2 for icey conditions
- 8 ply KO2 vs. 6 or 10 ply of the Duratrac makes for a nice strength and weight compromise
- while Duratracs may have a slight advantage in deeper snow, from what I hear from some people who describe them as 'hockey pucks' (this may be on stiffer 10 plys only???), leads me to want to believe the KO2s are a softer and grippier on ice

I've been pretty happy with KO2s for winter driving...in their first season anyways. They do lose grip going into a second and consecutive winters but I suspect all of the aggressive ATs do this to a similar degree.

The new Nokian Hakka LT3s look absolutely amazing if you can afford real winter tires.

i just went Falken AT3W for my T4R today. price matched at discount tire against amazon at $120 ea. i don’t have any notable experience, and run blizzaks on my smaller car. decision was based on a lot of forum discussion and my desire to error towards snow/rain performance.

Cooper ATPs and Toyo AT2s both have a firmer rubber compound that isn't great once they get some miles on them IME. General Grabber AT2s have been great in the snow for me. Just put some new General ATXs on my F150 and early impressions have been great. I did notice my new ATXs don't have full depth siping though, I thought my AT2s did.

Duratracs are good but a little more aggressive and louder. Haven't ran the Falkens yet to have an opinion on them.

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Originally Posted by shroom

i just went Falken AT3W for my T4R today. price matched at discount tire against amazon at $120 ea. i don’t have any notable experience, and run blizzaks on my smaller car. decision was based on a lot of forum discussion and my desire to error towards snow/rain performance.

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I have had a set of these on my Tundra for a little over a year now, they perform great and are very predictable. I feel like I should get studded winter tires but they have been good enough to keep me from making the purchase thus far.

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Originally Posted by Eluder

I have had a set of these on my Tundra for a little over a year now, they perform great and are very predictable. I feel like I should get studded winter tires but they have been good enough to keep me from making the purchase thus far.

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sweet, glad to hear that. my plan was to test out this season and move to snows if needed or as tread wears, which sounds like it could be the game.

Just bought a truck that came with winter tires on it (NOKIAN HAKKAPELIITTA R2 SUV).

I've had winters on cars, and AT's/MT's on trucks, but never winters on a truck.

Am I gonna roach these tires driving on logging roads? Will they be useless in fairly deep greasy mud? Should I just go ahead and order a 10" lift and 38's?

Cheers.

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Originally Posted by BCJC

Just bought a truck that came with winter tires on it (NOKIAN HAKKAPELIITTA R2 SUV).

I've had winters on cars, and AT's/MT's on trucks, but never winters on a truck.

Am I gonna roach these tires driving on logging roads? Will they be useless in fairly deep greasy mud? Should I just go ahead and order a 10" lift and 38's?

Cheers.

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You are a fucking idiot.

Hadn't considered that option.

Please go on.

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Originally Posted by BCJC

Hadn't considered that option.

Please go on.

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yes

In case the sensitive puritans didn't realize, I was joking about the lift.

Winter tires on logging roads a real dilemma though.

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Originally Posted by MakersTeleMark

You are a fucking idiot.

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Don’t listen to this foo.
Jack it and stack it bro.

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Originally Posted by BCJC

In case the sensitive puritans didn't realize, I was joking about the lift.

Winter tires on logging roads a real dilemma though.

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I had no problems with my Nokian LT2s on rough-ish USFS roads when I was living back in Montana (nor since, but the driving isn't as interesting around here). I don't know how the SUV line compares to the truck line, though.

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Originally Posted by MakersTeleMark

I can and will take that truck anywhere under anything and do anything. I've tried to break it, I can't. Chain that bitch, get out of my way in 4 low locked front and rear always, at 0.5 mph, sorry. I'm going. All of us are going, because I've got a big ass chain on your shit. It takes me 2 full straight up feet pushed down to my most highest abilities to even stop it from crawling in 4low. And the hydroboost is pissed. I'm talking sub 1 mph where every rock counts. It's going to go till it kills itself. Maybe like it was designed to do. It's a Chevy with a Detroit. But the tires hold up to the job. It's frightening almost.

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Very tempting for my f250, except I run very few miles in the winter. Currently running A/T3s at 50% tread and goddamn they're terrible.

After not being stoked on my Ko2s that came on my Tundra, a set of Duratracs await at Discount.

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Originally Posted by tBatt

Very tempting for my f250, except I run very few miles in the winter. Currently running A/T3s at 50% tread and goddamn they're terrible.

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I ran a set on my old f250 and they were decent when new. But yeah, goddamn once they got to about 60% fuck that shit.

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Originally Posted by The Artist Formerly Known as Leavenworth Skier

After not being stoked on my Ko2s that came on my Tundra, a set of Duratracs await at Discount.

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did you look at the goodyear ultra terrains? pretty close to duratrac but newer design. only discount tire sells em and I am fond of them

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Originally Posted by klauss

did you look at the goodyear ultra terrains? pretty close to duratrac but newer design. only discount tire sells em and I am fond of them

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Those are pretty much a direct competitor to the K02.

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Originally Posted by jackattack

Those are pretty much a direct competitor to the K02.

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That may be true v. KO2s. I will add that the Ultras have deeper tread depth as I recall. I also like them better in snow, but don't have a ton snow miles on these and its a different vehicle than I had with KO2s on.

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Originally Posted by klauss

did you look at the goodyear ultra terrains? pretty close to duratrac but newer design. only discount tire sells em and I am fond of them

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That’s a great looking tire. I have K02’s on my truck and ran the Duratrac on my work truck so was able to compare on a daily basis. We stopped putting the Duratrac on our fleet trucks after many failures. The BFG was superior to the Duratrac in everything but mud, even then it was real close. BFG’s were less noisy and offered a better ride.
The Ultras are pretty spendy though, Sheesh.
My K02’s are getting down there in tred, about 30% left, so looking to put a new set on this winter and run the older set come summer.
I’ll have to swing in to my local discount and check out the Ultra.

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Originally Posted by klauss

did you look at the goodyear ultra terrains? pretty close to duratrac but newer design. only discount tire sells em and I am fond of them

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Just put a set (plus spare) on a 16 taco, replaced original Kevlar Goodyear’s.

One week in I’m very happy. All in for 5 tires, install, yada yada.... just under $1200. 10% Visa card return on way from discount.

Ride nice, no noticable road noise, good traction snow and ice

Going on my 3rd season with a pair of Cooper ATWs on a 3rd gen 4runner. They provided exceptional traction in the first two seasons and 20k miles. However, they’re starting to get slick. I’m not sure they’ll make it through this season.


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I had ko2 on my tundra, currently have nitro ridge grapplers. Have falken at3w on my Land cruiser. On those 3 I liked the ko2 the best, but these falkens are really close for damn near half the price. Only have about 18000 miles on them so will see how they hold up, but pretty great tire so far.

Had a rather sporty experience last weekend driving back from Seattle just outside Moses lake with my duratracs (~70%). Was driving on packed snow/ice when for no reason all the cars in front slammed on their brakes — slowly depressed mine and nothing but atrac beeping at me — depressed multiple times but just slid luckily had a wide berth from the car in front of me and ultimately they got off their brakes and continued moving but was quite bummed at their performance on packed snow/ice.

Ran over to Discount hoping to to put Nokians on the cruiser for winter but they were out. Ended up with Studded Cooper Discoverers M/S for Mrs SkiLyft’s mall cruiser. Anyone ever ran them? This is my first set of studs but road noice is no worse than the duratracs!


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Damn SkiLyft, sounds sporty!
I ran them my first year up here. Great snow/ice tire with studs. Super grippy.
Half debating mounting studs on my spare rims again.

I run mine studless with a very heavy truck. Grip is fine, wear is fantastic, not rails by any means, but beefy. I don't get scared, but I can't really drive much of any definition of fast. I haven't stuck them. Although, locked front and rear.