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Fairly updated (afternoon and evening) fire perimeter maps are up on watch duty. The Eaton fire is pretty close to I-280 and edging closer Monrovia.
My recently widowed mother upped her anti on her go-bag and now keeping it in her car.
I thought this post from Dr Kolden on Bluesky was interesting:
https://bsky.app/profile/pyrogeog.bs.../3lfd7je7gw22l
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Originally Posted by Meadow Skipper
Drew Tabke said on IG he's heard many helis had to stop and land because of drones last night. He's monitoring some responder radio I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meadow Skipper
I don't see how the footage is useful when people will report you if you post it.
going forward you'd think they'd probably really up the their prescribed burn frequency. Some big policy changes coming to building code, vegetation and management of lands.
Prescribed burns are tricky, especially in areas as densely populated as southern California.
You really can't do prescribed burns in chapparal around neighborhoods. The vegetation has evolved to burn fast and hot as a normal fire cycle. Manzanita has evolved to literally burn its competitors for water and light to death and then grow back fast to take advantage of the room, until it needs to burn again in a few years to make room again. And forget mechanical thinning (aka "raking" the forest ala the orange shitstain), even if you could do that in terrain with stacked up topo lines, you're just recreating the fire cycle and it will grow right back and be ready to burn again in a few years.
The solution will have to be rebuilding with defensible space, fire resistant construction, and moving to a "shelter in place" response instead of mass evacuations like they've started to in Australia.
This isn't far-out forest lands where they do the burn mitigation on the reg. This is dense, urban hillsides that have all this dead brush that grows up every winter/spring. It's in close proximity to homes, schools, businesses, etc. The USFS looses control of prescribed burns from time to time in way out there parts so imagine them starting a smaller version of what happened just this week. Best case is having ash/smoke all over these neighborhoods and a bunch of pissed off citizens.Quote:
Originally Posted by NBABUCKS1
There are already insurance-mandated defensible space regs (Tahoe peeps know this life well) which I'm sure will be beefed up, but a lot of the terrain here, again is like fucking Afghanistan. I used to mountain bike up off Mandeville to dirt Mulholland and down the Temescal single track and the other fire roads. We're talking slopes in excess of 45 degrees all over, skree, rocks, loose dirt/sand, etc. I dropped my water bottle once and it took me almost an hour to retrieve...
Changes are coming but I'm thinking the main one will be updated construction standards to make the structures effectively fire proof.
This isn't far-out forest lands where they do the burn mitigation on the reg. This is dense, urban hillsides that have all this dead brush that grows up every winter/spring. It's in close proximity to homes, schools, businesses, etc. The USFS looses control of prescribed burns from time to time in way out there parts so imagine them starting a smaller version of what happened just this week. Best case is having ash/smoke all over these neighborhoods and a bunch of pissed off citizens.Quote:
Originally Posted by NBABUCKS1
There are already insurance-mandated defensible space regs (Tahoe peeps know this life well) which I'm sure will be beefed up, but a lot of the terrain here, again is like fucking Afghanistan. I used to mountain bike up off Mandeville to dirt Mulholland and down the Temescal single track and the other fire roads. We're talking slopes in excess of 45 degrees all over, skree, rocks, loose dirt/sand, etc. I dropped my water bottle once and it took me almost an hour to retrieve...
Changes are coming but I'm thinking the main one will be updated construction standards to make the structures effectively fire proof.
Is the high end property really worth anything? It's uninsurable, taxed to the tits. Who will rebuild and can that area command that premium?
Seems like a huge reality check on ultra wealthy enclaves?
The rich will be able to rebuild.
But there are plenty of people living in Palisades who are not rich, who live there because they or their family bought homes there many decades ago when it was more affordable. They will rely on insurance to re-build, if they have it (and they do not get fucked over by insurance). If not, they will probably be forced to sell. And the rich and/or predatory developers will swoop in and buy those properties. The land will still have value. Hopefully those residents get a decent enough return they can buy elsewhere.
This isn't the first fire to go through here. I could drive through that area and point out which houses have been rebuilt after which fire and in many cases, fires (plural).Quote:
Originally Posted by byates1
Larry Ellison owns at least a dozen places on Carbon beach, the strip along the water that got wiped out. He'll rebuild and probably pick up more places while he's at it.Quote:
Originally Posted by evdog
But that's true in the Palisades, I'm betting there were a lot of underinsured places in regards to present property values and rebuilding costs. Someone I went to school with got burned over in the Palisades, their home was valued at around $5 million. A lot of that appreciation happened in the last few years, if they were to try to rebuild for $2.5 million, with current building costs, no way will they be able to recreate what they had.
Seems most likely that insurance company will do everything.in their power to deny/lowball. Like mentioned above the long term residences which have swen the most appreciation will suffer. I'm betting a ton of wealthy ppl call it and bounce. Build /buy in a different place.
Yet another opportunity for wealth to move from the less fortunate to the very well off.
https://youtu.be/OoZQMv_Ke_0?si=tvXq1BbvX9XIjh1G
Oracle de Rogaine
Wow, a Joe Rogan prediction that everyone knows already and has already happened before.
This. What a fuckin' dope. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by I Skied Bandini Mountain
Resentful
I think I'll start referring to Rogan as Nostradumbass. :D
Here, learn something. https://www.lafire.com/famous_fires/...gaIncident.htmQuote:
Originally Posted by byates1
California property, famously highly taxed on appreciationQuote:
Originally Posted by byates1
Joe Rogan predicted you would post thisQuote:
Originally Posted by I Skied Bandini Mountain
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Originally Posted by dunfree
They get to rebuild and maintain their current tax rates as long as the rebuild is largely the same as what was there.
Joe Rogan can actually read.Quote:
Originally Posted by byates1
^ not only that but he is an Oracle. And also has a podcast.