Thunderstorm today at Donner Lake, followed by calfire engines heading towards the summit and a helicopter filling its bucket. out of the lake. I'm not seeing smoke yet.
There was dry thunder east of Truckee yesterday, no fires that I'm aware of.
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Thunderstorm today at Donner Lake, followed by calfire engines heading towards the summit and a helicopter filling its bucket. out of the lake. I'm not seeing smoke yet.
There was dry thunder east of Truckee yesterday, no fires that I'm aware of.
Heh, dry thunder is what my dad used to call it when...well, when he only passed gas instead of a satisfying crap in the bathroom.Quote:
Originally Posted by old goat
Dry lightning is what causes fires.
Just trying to be accurate--didn't see any lightning, just heard the thunder, meaning wherever the lightning was, it wasn't that close.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meadow Skipper
This is pretty good:
http://www.arcgis.com/apps/PublicInf...d3b7f75162b3f4
And this one gives you up to date satellite imagery, and you can add fire layers:
https://worldview.earthdata.nasa.gov...82283135839357
And then if you just want to check really quick:
iscaliforniaonfire.com
Little fire up by the China Wall. The engines and chopper were back today. Apparently no big deal, all taken care of.
Heh. Old School!
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/lo...390499891.html
It's that time of year again!
Anybody see the new PG&E de-energizing policy? Check your address.
https://m.pge.com/?WT_pgeac=Wildfire...ire-threat-map
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Bump for offshore wind event later this week. We've been super lucky so far this year, but that might change with possibly the strongest winds in 5-10 years in some areas. Event is going to be widespread N-->S too.
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Originally Posted by LightRanger
Yawn!
J/K
Where is there good detail about recurrence of wind events in the state? I know “they” are saying this is forecasted as a 10-year recurrent event, similar to the wind event that resulted in the 2017 “wind complex fires” but I can find where that type of data is housed.
Western part of my county had two utility shut offs last month due to high wind forecasts. There were at least 3 structural fires from generator use in my area during the shut offs.
Looks like that info came from Sacto NWS, per Swain's comment. Pretty sure they have a ton of historical data that isn't posted online.
See current forecast discussion.
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My reading comprehension is low, I think. I’m not seeing that sort of text.
I’m asking because I’ve heard it in a few places today, it seems like a pretty to predict wind recurrence, and I thought CA generally did not have great data about this type of stuff (I heard the state climatologist complain about lack of this type of data about 8 years ago).
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Originally Posted by bodywhomper
https://forecast.weather.gov/product...n=3&glossary=1Quote:
Originally Posted by The Weather Service
Ha! Thx. See reading comprehension, been struggling all day. A personal problem. I looked quite a bit for real data and found academic mentioning of developing wind recurrence mapping but never mapping or available data.
So 10% annual probability event. Lots of population proposed for shutdown at the moment.
I'm sensing some disgruntlement regarding power shutdowns in anticipation of high wind events ......
There was a ton of frustration last month when the wind events never occurred but there were two shutdowns. If they actually shutdown parts of urban Oakland, and all of San Leandro, el Cerrito, orinda, la Fayette, moraga, etc., it’ll be interesting to see what happens (hopefully nothing super bad). Pge inspects all lines before renenergizing each circuit.
It would be fun to watch the "fireworks" of major urban areas were shut down (I'm inclined to think they should be if conditions warrant), but I'm upgrading my solar system to include battery backup as soon as the technology get's where it needs to be, and not really in an area that's likely to be shut down. Oakland and surrounding environs, of all places, has no right to be pissy about a shut down.
The utility has a nice round number of 600k customers.
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Mom and pop are putting 8kw of solar in at their place in the hills later this month. Batteries are still so expensive that they're not going that route. $5-6k gets you a large, wired standby generator plumbed to your gas/LP line that automatically kicks in when power goes off. The necessary battery capacity to run the well pump (or even the AC) would be in the neighborhood of $20k.Quote:
Originally Posted by PB
600k households = several million people. Yikes.Quote:
Originally Posted by bodywhomper
I don't understand this sentiment, but I think I am missing something.Quote:
Originally Posted by PB
here's the map: https://www.pge.com/en_US/safety/eme...mpact-map.page
the shutoff is supposed to start at 4am. some of the circuits dip into densely populated urban areas where parts of the circuits or transmission lines feeding the circuits go through areas at risk of a wildland fire. they say 36hr minimum for shutoff. if line inspections after the wind event find a problem, shutting off the lines probably was a really good thing, but it'll result in longer outages. last year, PG&E did a public safety outage in el dorado county and it took 5 days for some to get their circuit re-energized but there was not fire. it'll be interesting to see the results of the outage in terms of economic and social effects. hopefully, all people make safe decisions (but i'm not optimistic).
Safari won't let me go to your link, but you definitely have more info than I do - my snark was referring to the continuing fire trap of the Oakland Hills, even after the previous disaster. They made progress regarding fuel clearing/removal, but too many of the rebuilds after '91 firestorm were oversized fuel additions, plus the narrow, windy roads are still death traps. Power shut downs, while not the long term solution, are the best, albeit painful, response we've currently got for avoidance.
I think PG&E might be playing a long game. People will get tired of shutdowns and become willing to pay for rate hikes or outright subsidies for hazard mitigation.
Mostly people seem to be getting pissed off at PG&E. Having the website down most of today didn't help.
Donner Summit is supposed to lose power even though winds are only supposed to reach 26mph (gusts) and there are still piles of snow next to my house. We'll see.
I bet there are a lot of generators getting sold (and deployed in various sketchy ways). Not sure that's a good thing from a fire perspective.
There's definitely going to be a continued push by PG&E lobbyists to change the liability standard to something more lenient than strict liability/inverse condemnation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meadow Skipper
Local Raleys was almost out of ice when I rolled in a little while ago.
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How many babies will be born in NorCal in 40 weeks?!
Pge customers are already paying for hazard mitigation. Pge now “considers” undergrounding lines, and, in some places, has been doing it.
I’ve heard theory from informed sources that this is all a political strategy and the outage in the urban areas will be short. I’m hedging that my source is wrong.
Caldecott tunnel in the east bay is expected to loose power and be closed.
ftfyQuote:
Originally Posted by PB
Oakland's been burning on a regular schedule, probably since history. They are currently a few years overdue.