Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

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Originally Posted by The AD

Well part of the equation is choosing where to live. There are still places in the U.S. where you can still buy a house for $100,000.

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Those places don't have highvwage jobs

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Originally Posted by Ted Striker

Grow up white & rich and you'll never see the inside of any.

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I'm pretty sure sleeping in the Lincoln bedroom counts as being in a public building.

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Originally Posted by dunfree

they like to pretend the flu doesn’t cause problems for hospitals. They are stupid, and it’s a badge of honor.

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We used to cancel surgery because of flu season and no bed--not every year, maybe 4-5 times over the course of my career.

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Originally Posted by skiskiskiskiski

You can't buy a 1200 square foot house for under 500,000 where I live.

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You need to get out more. 3000 sq ft, 10 acres, 4 car garage, barn, less that $200k. Those places are out there right now waiting for the WFH movement to move onward .

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Originally Posted by oldnew_guy

look, I respect your opinion and insight, but I’m not going to argue edge cases against the mountain of data that shows that on balance wages have stagnated and the pace of numerous household costs have outpaced whatever gains wages have made.

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No argument there. I'm just pointing out that most of us have also come to expect things that past generations did not. I don't really think it's an edge case.

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Originally Posted by old goat

I'm pretty sure sleeping in the Lincoln bedroom counts as being in a public building.

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Ha, touché

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Originally Posted by Asspen

For comparison, should we also review the many times that you only post a picture of a sweatshirt as your retort when others are making points to further the conversation, but you don't agree with, so they must be untrue and mocked? Pot, meet kettle.

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Dude, your trolling in this thread is sad and pathetic. “I was just asking questions “ (that you already have an answer for) is not furthering the conversation.

Glad to hear I am inside your head though. Let’s go skiing together, BBI-MT is in 6 weeks.

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Originally Posted by Harry

Dude, your trolling in this thread is sad and pathetic. “I was just asking questions “ (that you already have an answer for) is not furthering the conversation.

Glad to hear I am inside your head though. Let’s go skiing together, BBI-MT is in 6 weeks.

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Ski off! Miss you Harry, hope all is well on your end……

Yup, life is good !

You attending BBI-MT ?


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Originally Posted by altasnob

I don't understand why you guys still have anger towards unvaccinated. They all just got vaccinated, by Omicron (I've repeated ad nauseum that over 40% will have contracted Omicron by mid February). Sure, had they gotten Omicron and been vaccinated they would have a little stronger immunity. But you can no longer claim that the unvaccinated are preventing us from ___________.

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Most of the patients in the hospital that I work at that are admitted FOR Covid not WITH Covid are unvaccinated. So the unvaccinated ARE causing us to adjudicate elective procedures and preventing us from getting back to normal. I’m going to say that I’m relatively sure that the situation isn’t unique to our hospital. Stay in your lane fucktard.


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Originally Posted by altasnob

Bottom line, I disagree that harboring deep resentment for the unvaccinated in US accomplishes anything going forward. What accomplishes things is harboring deep resentment for the biggest threat we face today going forward; vaccinating immunocompromised individuals in the poor countries of Earth who haven't even had the chance to be vaccinated.

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You said the pandemic was over and we are having a mass vaccination event through naturally aquired infection. Which is it? Stay in your lane fucktard.


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Originally Posted by wooley12

You need to get out more. 3000 sq ft, 10 acres, 4 car garage, barn, less that $200k. Those places are out there right now waiting for the WFH movement to move onward .

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Where? In arkansas?

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Originally Posted by skiskiskiskiski

Where? In arkansas?

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Almost anywhere in the Midwest...

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Originally Posted by wooley12

You need to get out more. 3000 sq ft, 10 acres, 4 car garage, barn, less that $200k. Those places are out there right now waiting for the WFH movement to move onward .

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Add in Lockeed Martin Drone pizza delivery and I'm in. .. oh and city water and sewer connections.. Guess I'm out..

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Originally Posted by Harry

Yup, life is good !

You attending BBI-MT ?


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Endeavoring, my man, endeavoring……

Went and had lunch with my ski sister today. I haven't seen Debi in 4-5 years. Walking in to the restaurant I ask "where is your mask" to which she replies "pffft, I never wear one". So I asked her if she was some antivax Dump cum guzzler? Dirty look, but no denial. Over lunch I discovered she has lost her fucking mind and I have lost another friend.
As far as cheap housing is concerned, there is a reason for that. I could never move to any of those deplorable states. But ya, I am just a social democrat that believes in science.

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Originally Posted by liv2ski

Went and had lunch with my ski sister today. I haven't seen Debi in 4-5 years. Walking in to the restaurant I ask "where is your mask" to which she replies "pffft, I never wear one". So I asked her if she was some antivax Dump cum guzzler? Dirty look, but no denial. Over lunch I discovered she has lost her fucking mind and I have lost another friend.
As far as cheap housing is concerned, there is a reason for that. I could never move to any of those deplorable states. But ya, I am just a social democrat that believes in science.

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It's just like any cult. Some of them were always disposed to fringe thinking. However some of them lead perfectly normal lives then gradually spiraled down due to a chain of unfortunate events. Many were pretty successful and happy until being outsourced or pandemic'd in to bankruptcy. The the stress/trauma of that opened them up to manipulation and mass hysteria of cult behavior. This is a good read about three of them.. and how they got there..

Gina. Rosanne. Guy. What do you do the day after you storm the Capitol?

Ya these people were fucked up, but the final failures sent them over the edge to batshit crazy..

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Originally Posted by The AD

No what? You disagree that lots of people lived like that 50 years ago? I think wages for the middle class have stagnated, but lots of people have also come to expect a higher standard of living which requires a two income family nowadays.

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Yup my mom never worked couldn't drive, dad worked in a factory, the 1100 sq' house where we mostly grew older was 14K, there was only 1 TV, only 1 bathroom the phone was on the wall and it had a dial

< 50 yars ago my buddies were working in factories to buy Z/28s & Firebirds, drive the piss out of them and after 2 yrs they sold em on a whim for the 6K downpayment on a 1200 sq' house in the burbs where we all grew up, purchase price of 60K

rigfht now anything in Vangroovy would be close to a million

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Originally Posted by Summer

Fun read from a local frontline doctor:


“Yeah, but it only kills sick and old people with comorbidities, I’m young and awesome”

Yeah nah. “Comorbidities” which antivaxxers are commonly talking about include such conditions as pregnancy, asthma, and type 1 diabetes. Everyday people, otherwise healthy with no lifestyle based chronic health conditions are getting absolutely pumped by this virus. Pregnant women requiring ventilation were a large portion of ICU admissions through both covid surges. In terms of the “old” people, we are talking mainly 60 and over. These people still have many years of quality life ahead of them. To sacrifice them to the covid gods because you don’t want to wear masks or can’t read vaccine research publications, makes you a knob. You live in a lovely community. A part of being in that community is to look after each other, particularly the vulnerable. Again, pull your head in.


“But I have none of those things! Ill be fine without being vaccinated”

Yeah probably. But you’ll also be fine if you get vaccinated. There are plenty of 20-60 year old unvaccinated regular people in hospital. There are very few vaccinated 20-60 year old vaccinated regular people in hospital. The risk profile is clear. You can still get hammered by covid even if you’re young. It might not kill you, but dying is just one outcome of getting covid.


“bUt ThE hOsPitAl iS FuLl Of VaccInAtED PeOPlE”

Who are these vaccinated people though? And who are these unvaccinated people? The vaccinated people are the very sick, very frail, typically old people with serious conditions. We vaccinate these people to give them the best chance at overcoming the virus. Many of them are immunosuppressed so they won’t benefit as much from the vaccine as you and me. The unvaccinated people in the hospital include essentially every demographic. Young, old, healthy, unhealthy. A very large portion of the unvaccinated hospitalisations are preventable, practically none of the vaccinated hospitalisations were preventable (evident by the fact they are in hospital despite being vaccinated). Despite this, the unvaccinated still make up a larger proportion than unvaccinated.

I recently saw a heart transplant patient with covid (vaccinated covid hospitalisation). You think we should compare her to some regular 30 year old unvaccinated patient? The vaccinated vs unvaccinated hospital thing is only useful when you control for other patient demographics. When you do that, being unvaccinated is way worse.


“But why don’t they just lose weight and exercise, and then they will be fine. Why push the vaccine and not mention a healthy lifestyle”

Yes, because GPs and doctors around the world have not been trying to instil the motivation to change lifestyle since the beginning of time. Do you really think obesity is a disease related to lack of self-control and laziness? Do you think obese people are totally cool being obese and needed the threat of covid to spur on their weight loss? Obesity and diabetes are complex issues. They are strongly interconnected with mental illness, metabolic disturbance, socio-economic background, ethnicity, culture, geography, access to health services, education etc.

If you think someone getting up and constantly stating “you should lose weight in order to prevent you dying from covid” would really do anything worthwhile on a public health level, you are off this planet. The same thing goes for bloody vitamins and other waste of space supplements that drain your bank account.

We have a very safe, cheap and easy to access means of preventing severe illness from covid. It’s a called a vaccine, you should get it. Sure, eat healthy and exercise but don't overemphasise the capacity of these interventions to reduce total morbidity/mortality.


“Heart disease and diabetes take up hospital beds and nobody is putting mandates on sugar consumption”

Ah yes, and the dam already holds all the water in the river, so why care about the monsoon rains? Heart disease and diabetes are complex chronic health conditions that the health system has been trying to manage for decades. We know their impact and our health system has evolved with the prevalence of these issues. They are also very difficult to modify.

COVID is the monsoon, the dam wasn’t built to deal with this much water. COVID came out of nowhere and became the most common cause of ICU admission in our hospitals. That’s wack. The even wack-er part of the problem is that unlike heart disease and diabetes, COVID has a very simple and immediate intervention that prevents its severity. Can you guess what it is? Imagine if the complications of heart disease and diabetes could be prevented with a vaccine…and then people decided not to take it.

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You touched on everything here really well. Thanks!


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Originally Posted by Summer

Fun read from a local frontline doctor:
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I expect every one of these anti-vax talking points to resurrect here within 12 hours, if not later tonight.

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Originally Posted by old goat

I'm pretty sure sleeping in the Lincoln bedroom counts as being in a public building.



We used to cancel surgery because of flu season and no bed--not every year, maybe 4-5 times over the course of my career.

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Sounds like we were dealing with hospital capacity issues long before a pandemic reared it's ugly head...

Harry, I agree. Methinks a nice schuss will help clear the air.

Frontline health workers in England may no longer be required to get vaccinated, Britain’s health secretary said on Monday. He recommended a review of a mandate. “Week by week, we are carefully moving our Covid response from one of rules and restrictions back to one of personal responsibility,” the health secretary, Sajid Javid, told Parliament on Monday.

Mr. Javid noted that the Omicron variant that is now dominant tends to cause severe illness less often than Delta, which was the dominant version when the mandate was announced in November. He said the mandate was the right policy during the Delta wave, but that Omicron may call for a different approach.

“Given that Delta has been replaced, it’s only right that our policy on vaccination as a condition of deployment is reviewed,” he said. “While vaccination remains our very best line of defense against Covid-19, I believe that it is no longer proportionate to require vaccination as a condition of deployment through statute,” he added.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/31/w...te-uk-nhs.html

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Originally Posted by Asspen

Sounds like we were dealing with hospital capacity issues long before a pandemic reared it's ugly head...

Harry, I agree. Methinks a nice schuss will help clear the air.

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I'm nice? Thanks!

Get vaccinated. Be good to each other.

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Originally Posted by Summer

The good doc also offered up responses for that inevitability:


“So, anyone that doesn’t agree with you is an idiot? Science changes man, if it isn’t open to scrutiny then it’s just propaganda”

Most of you wouldn’t know the scientific method if it was injected into your arm. You really think the average person has any capacity to weigh in on the scientific debate with these things? The people researching this stuff are light years above you (and I), and they are the only people who really have the capacity to comprehend the issue. When you can design a study and publish it, while understanding the full complexity of the issue, then maybe you can have an opinion.

I agree that science information should be more accessible to the general public, but until it is, you're going to have to rely on actual experts to distil it down to you. If you're offended by that, are you also offended when the pilot lands the plane for you?


“Why wont the square block go through the round hole?”

Just keep trying buddy.

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Yeah yeah but my freedom:
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Originally Posted by old goat

We used to cancel surgery because of flu season and no bed--not every year, maybe 4-5 times over the course of my career.

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Originally Posted by Asspen

Sounds like we were dealing with hospital capacity issues long before a pandemic reared it's ugly head...

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you disingenuous cunt