New Season, New Tires, New Thread

Its been dryer than fuck here so i have been able to put off changing the MinionDHR II and its still alot of fun, but it would suck to crash in the bush like some cheese eating school boy SO I put a tire on ( the original DHRII) with mo thread .

So it gave me a chance to compare weights, I got a mostly worn out (1000 grams) compared to a new Minion 2.40 DHRII DD ( 1140grams ), people talk about weight of a tire but they never talk about weight of a well used tire so I had been saving 140 gms by running a worn out back tire with missing knobs

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Originally Posted by detrusor

Is there any chance at all of getting a hand on the sponsored riders 170 tip race tires? My littlest is racing NICA and is 80lbs soaking wet. A super supple super light tire would make a huge difference for her. Current race tires at 18 psi are still super stiff due to the sidewalls. I know it’ll be spendy but for race day tires I’d get a ton of use. Any reps or sponsored riders looking to part with some this fall????

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What are they on now? the super-race schwalbes and xc-race casing vittorias are pretty light and supple and flimsy. And then the lightest and flimsiest mtb tires I've ever used are kenda saber pros. They go on like once a year for a hill climb race. 540g for a 29x2.2.


Also how about going down to like, 14-15psi? 18psi is pretty much what i ride in a 2.4 xc tire.

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Originally Posted by joetron

I finally measured my Forekaster 2.4 today and got 57mm on the casing, same as the 2.4 Dissector up front. Mounted on 30mm internal hookless rim.
It still just looks a litter skinnier though, so strange. Must be the profile or something.


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That is disappointing.

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Originally Posted by XXX-er

Its been dryer than fuck here so i have been able to put off changing the MinionDHR II and its still alot of fun, but it would suck to crash in the bush like some cheese eating school boy SO I put a tire on ( the original DHRII) with mo thread .

So it gave me a chance to compare weights, I got a mostly worn out (1000 grams) compared to a new Minion 2.40 DHRII DD ( 1140grams ), people talk about weight of a tire but they never talk about weight of a well used tire so I had been saving 140 gms by running a worn out back tire with missing knobs

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Yeah man,
I do exactly 1,000 skids on my race tires to prep them for the big day.

Gets rid of the slow ass center knobs too.

My tire was not as worn as the pict in #3881 above but it was the mostly torn side knobs that were more worrisome than worn out center knobs cuz they would fold on some rock slabs I often ride and I would be sliding down the sidehill

I'm not really a weight nazi but it was interesting to see how much rubber gets worn off a tire

I've got a bunch of rides now on:
Kryptotal DH Front Super Soft
Xynotal Enduro Soft rear
Kryptotal DH Soft rear

The Kryptotal DH in front is incredible. I can throw it against a rock or into a corner and put full weight on it and it stands up. The SS compound grips like crazy, but not quite as much of a boat anchor as a Maxxis MaxxGrip. This tire was a little slow at the bike park on really fast flow jump lines, but for general singletrack, it's awesome. It still has a little drift gap like a DHF, but way more predictable and much smaller drift window. In deep kitty litter gravel and sand, the side knobs bite better than the intermediate/side of an Assegai. If I was riding flat loose over hard corners all the time, I'd probably still run the Assegai but for deeper loose stuff, i think it overall grips better than the AG.

Xynotal in back is good, it's not as outstanding compared to its competitors as the Kryp DH front is, but it's analogous to a Dissector in DD casing. I think this will be a great winter tire for semi-frozen and traction-y wet hero trails.

The Kryp DH rear is really good, definitely burlier sidewalls than a DD. Braking traction is higher than a DHR2 and rolling resistance is a bit better than DHR2, I'd put it in the Dissector camp.

That’s really encouraging, I keep thinking that Kryptotal RE up front and Xynotal rear, in appropriate casing and rubber for the trails and dirt here (I’m thinking maybe Trail Soft front and Enduro Soft rear) would be a perfect combo to replace the Mazza Dissector setup I was running the last few years.

Bought a new to me Trek Fuel Ex. Came with some 2.4WT Rekon Race tires on it, can't argue with the weight but I want to get something with a more aggressive pattern on them. Mostly for all around trail ridding.

I was looking for a 29x2.35-4 and trying to keep it around 1000gr. And I usually try to get whatever is on sale.
Been looking at the Vittoria Mazza's at Level 9 for $49, the Dissector/Assegai are an option, and the trusty Minnion too.. Looks like their 120thread casings on the trail tires are double wall so the weight is up there.
Mostly riding in loose/mixed/rocky in Utah, not much wet or mud. Anything else I should check out?

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Originally Posted by sfotex

Bought a new to me Trek Fuel Ex. Came with some 2.4WT Rekon Race tires on it, can't argue with the weight but I want to get something with a more aggressive pattern on them. Mostly for all around trail ridding.

I was looking for a 29x2.35-4 and trying to keep it around 1000gr. And I usually try to get whatever is on sale.
Been looking at the Vittoria Mazza's at Level 9 for $49, the Dissector/Assegai are an option, and the trusty Minnion too.. Looks like their 120thread casings on the trail tires are double wall so the weight is up there.
Mostly riding in loose/mixed/rocky in Utah, not much wet or mud. Anything else I should check out?

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If I was in your boat, I'd be looking real hard at the OEM takeoff DHR EXOs on Jenson for $35. I think they might had some DHFs for a bit more $ as well.

https://www.jensonusa.com/Maxxis-Min..._medium=IMPACT

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Originally Posted by MarsB

If I was in your boat, I'd be looking real hard at the OEM takeoff DHR EXOs on Jenson for $35. I think they might had some DHFs for a bit more $ as well.

https://www.jensonusa.com/Maxxis-Min..._medium=IMPACT

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Yeah, I was checking those out, but the 2.4s they have in stock are 120tpi, which puts them in the 1200gr+ territory.

Good catch on the 120tpi for the exo+. Must be old’ish stock before the exo+ went back to 60tpi. Interesting though because the description says butyl insert which is the new 60tpi version.

Are retailers parting out new bikes that didn’t sell or abandoning new builds? I’m seeing a bunch of new “no box” deals on tires and various components from US retailers. I don’t recall seeing this in past years (pre or post Covid).

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Originally Posted by sfotex

Yeah, I was checking those out, but the 2.4s they have in stock are 120tpi, which puts them in the 1200gr+ territory.

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Exo+ in a 2.4 is an ~1100 gram tire.

Older exo+ is single ply 120 tpi with some extra shit in there for durability. Newer exo+ are 60tpi, still with extra durability shit in them. The newer ones are noticeably more flat / tear resistant. The older 120 tpi ones are roughly comparable to regular exo in terms of flat resistance.

Double down are 2 ply 120 tpi; ~1250g in 2.4. Has a bit more durability shit than exo+.

Regular exo is single ply 60 tpi minus the durability shit found in exo+; they're ~1050g in 2.4.

DH casing is 2 ply 60tpi + lots of durability shit; 1350+ grams.

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Originally Posted by toast2266

Exo+ in a 2.4 is an ~1100 gram tire.

Older exo+ is single ply 120 tpi with some extra shit in there for durability. Newer exo+ are 60tpi, still with extra durability shit in them. The newer ones are noticeably more flat / tear resistant. The older 120 tpi ones are roughly comparable to regular exo in terms of flat resistance.

Double down are 2 ply 120 tpi; ~1250g in 2.4. Has a bit more durability shit than exo+.

Regular exo is single ply 60 tpi minus the durability shit found in exo+; they're ~1050g in 2.4.

DH casing is 2 ply 60tpi + lots of durability shit; 1350+ grams.

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I wonder if the Jenson ones are old models, or something else?
I guess the thing with OEM is you might get something slightly different..

Maybe I just need to order a pair and see what I get...

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Originally Posted by sfotex

I wonder if the Jenson ones are old models, or something else?
I guess the thing with OEM is you might get something slightly different..

Maybe I just need to order a pair and see what I get...

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It seems equally plausible that they're older 120 tpi models, or that they're the newer ones and the description is just wrong.

As far as I know, OEM Maxxis is always the same construction as the regular ones. Sometimes OEM's have white hot patches (instead of yellow).

I've collected a bunch of Contis now, so here's an FYI on some tire weights, all 29x2.4":

Xynotal Enduro Soft: 1215g
Kryptotal F Enduro Soft: 1188g
Kryptotal R DH Soft: 1351g
Kryptotal F DH SuperSoft: 1321g

Quite a big weight difference between DH and Enduro. The Enduro casings feel every bit as supportive and tear-resistant as a Maxxis DoubleDown casing. I'm fully on board the Continental train now. I know some people have had trouble mounting Conti casings, and I do have to use a tire iron to get them on, but unlike Maxxis, I've never warped a casing by using a Pedros lever to get the bead over the rim.

In true TGR fashion I got 'one of each' from the Jenson Maxxis sale.
2 Dissectors (These look like the tire I was looking for)..) @$35 each
1 Rekon @$50
1 Aggresor @ $35

The Dissectos look like a lighter Minion that should work well in the hard pack, etc.

Wanted to try something else other then Maxxis, but at this price I might as well stock up..

I think Dissector front Aggressor rear is possibly the best blend of durability, speed, and traction for you. Both the Aggressor and Dissector are pretty fast and brake well, but a DC Aggressor’s knobs should be way way way more durable under braking than an MT Dissector (what I’m presuming you ordered at those prices). The Aggressor’s tread actually brakes really well even in soft loose soils and holds up to rocks pretty well for how lightweight it is. Dissector corners better and is more fun in how it transitions from a drift to locked in when leaned over. I’ve got a love hate relationship with the Dissector because it rides so well in dry summer soil here, but it’s pretty poor on wet packed clay which we get regularly during shoulder seasons which means it’s really only a late June through early September tire for me, and also the EXO MT has pretty poor durability under hard braking.

I know mildbill and meter-man have good results with Dissector front Rekon rear as a fast pedaling trail setup, though meter-man had exceptionally poor tread durability of an EXO Rekon rear.

I was thinking about making the switch from Dissector rear to Xynotal, but man at those prices it’s two EXO MT Dissectors for a single Enduro Soft Xynotal [emoji848]

I like the Aggressor for a rear tire, around Reno /Tahoe conditions. Rolls fast, wears well, brakes acceptably, easily controllable when it slides.

My Dissector experience has been just as a rear tire, and while it rolls well (slightly draggier than the Aggressor, nothing like a DHR), it's short lived. The side knobs undercut very quickly. I'd expect that to be the case up front too.

If I got free tires, I'd be totally happy with Dissector rear tires. I'd just need a new one every month.

If find dissector lacks a lot of grip going up or down sloppy steeps…


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Problem with Maxxis is that if I want anything even close to the actual listed size and volume I have to go with another brand.
Edit: I would be happy to be proven wrong!

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Originally Posted by SchralphMacchio

I know mildbill and meter-man have good results with Dissector front Rekon rear as a fast pedaling trail setup.

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Count me in this group, I rode this all season for everything. I will likely go assegai/dhf front and move the dissector to the rear for bike park riding next season, but otherwise pretty satisfied with this combo for dry hard over loose.

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Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn

Problem with Maxxis is that if I want anything even close to the actual listed size and volume I have to go with another brand.
Edit: I would be happy to be proven wrong!

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A 2.5 DHF WT on a 30mm rim measures 63.5mm (or a little more) to the outside edge of the knobs. That's exactly 2.5". Obviously there'll be some minor variation depending on various factors, but they're pretty damn close to true to size.

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Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn

Problem with Maxxis is that if I want anything even close to the actual listed size and volume I have to go with another brand.
Edit: I would be happy to be proven wrong!

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I can’t even imagine thinking I was installing a 2.4” tire on my off road bicycle only to learn after it is on my rim that it only measures 2.38”. Totally unacceptable.

Who hasn't lied about actual size and volume?