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During the parent-teacher conference (free of swearing), I noticed no cursive in the learning materials. Truly a lost art - like thank you cards.
Later today he dropped a favorite curse phrase of mine (on a roll I guess).
He has so far chosen to remain silent as to where he learned it.
I'm impressed, as we hadn't spoken of the code before.
Just do the time kid. Quiet scoop of ice cream later.
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Originally Posted by PB
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Originally Posted by billyk
Used to see it all the time while living in Wyoming and Montana.
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Originally Posted by old goat
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Originally Posted by PB
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Originally Posted by Supermoon
No.
How about reading old letters. Or historical documents.
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Common core education dropped cursive in favor of keyboarding?
Wtf is a keyboard in 2030?
Yes. Efficiency. All through school if I had to print there’s no way I could keep up taking notes.Quote:
Originally Posted by PB
PS. I got in trouble using cursive in third grade.
Proficiency at cursive writing was a necessary component of classic liberal arts education.
It was never intended to be a quicker way of writing, although it is rather good for that.
It had a purpose in training young minds.
Maybe cursive could become a secret code for us old folks to communicate between each other without having these young hipster assholes interfering. We could secretly discuss how we will continue to covertly encourage climate change so that their world will eventually become uninhabitable long after we are gone. Muahahahaha!
Ok, so she’s saying we need to teach reading cursive to PhD students studying American History? Sure. Otherwise, we can read the translated texts like we do for everything that wasn’t written in English.Quote:
Originally Posted by MakersTeleMark
I just don’t see the fuss. People who need to know how to read and write it will learn. The rest will go on with their lives.
Yup, rather like Latin, except less useful in other contexts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Supermoon
And I'm just old enough to have been forced to learn cursive in elementary school, and young enough that I haven't had to use it since. Only real downside in my life is not always being able to read cards from my great aunt, but my mother can translate as need be.
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Ha. Yeah. Same. Learned it in third grade and by the time I was in high school I’d totally lost it. I remember having to write out my personal statement for the SATs in cursive and I could barely do it inside the time limit.
Well, I have to read 1800s documents for work just about every day (in English AND in Spanish), so it's pretty useful for me at least. Also nice to be able to read other historical documents without having to require a translator and just take their word for it like a chump.Quote:
Originally Posted by Supermoon
And Latin not useful? Gonna have to disagree there too. While it's certainly not required to actually speak the language, it is hella useful to understand as much as you can just for the English roots alone. Same for Greek. That's one of the best ways to master literacy. Not to mention be able to grasp other Latin based languages with ease. It's nice to be able to travel abroad and get a sense of what's going on BECAUSE of a basic understanding of Latin. "Useless." HA!
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Gonna have to agree with you here. Although. I am pretty sure the only reason I passed Latin in high school was because the teacher was one of my scout leaders, Latin has helped me.Quote:
Originally Posted by MontuckyFried
Cursive nicely disguises my piss poor printed chicken scratch.
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Thing #2 is a weirdo and is taking Ancient Greek as one of his distribution classes in his Jr year of college. In order to do so he had to take 6 classes. He's lamenting that he can't fit it in 2nd semester. He's a Mech Enginerding major.Quote:
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I was watching Antiques Roadshow and was struck by the beautiful handwriting in a letter written by the ex-outlaw Cole Younger, one of the James Gang.
Maybe if my cursive was better I would have gotten the mayonaisse I wanted instead of the margarine my wife bought. And maybe that patient I ordered an aspirin for woudn't have died from arsenic poisoning.
Holy shit, I was watching that as well!
I was amazed at the value of that basically green painting.
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Good stuff. :biggrin: Cole probably had one of the ladies of ill repute at the local brothel write that for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by old goat
Everything that is taught and learned is "useful" in some way. It's simply that schools need to decide what sort of things are *most* useful in a modern society. And cursive and Latin are those sorts of things that some districts decide are not useful ENOUGH to continue.Quote:
Originally Posted by MontuckyFried
And FTR - I had not a *single* Latin class ever, yet I know about Latin "roots" of words and such. Perhaps I learned it in Spanish class? I'm not even sure where I learned it, but I did.
Also - my kids were in elementary school in the late '00s and early '10s and the learned cursive, so it's not gone everywhere. Unless something major changed in the last 10-ish years.
Thankfully it still is. My kids go to a school with a classic liberal arts focus. My older one's in first grade and they're learning cursive now. He can read it just fine already. Lesson here, folks: If my 7 year old can read cursive after only a few weeks of learning about it and you can't, then 'umm, your education has sorely failed you. Go get your money back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Viva
I have never taken any Latin courses either, but thankfully I DID have English teachers who pushed Latin, Greek, and the other miscellaneous roots pretty hard. Has served me well I believe. Think you're right. Spanish classes definitely drove those roots home and helped it all make more sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by skaredshtles
You're also correct that school boards and state curricula directors have deemed it less important than other subjects. This obviously has not worked out well as current students and graduates are as stupid as they've ever been. Sure, they can find their way around an iPad well enough, but they can't identify North America on a map. Wife travels the country as a consultant to help failing schools (which is like 90% of them these days). It is BAD out there.
Same for the school my kids go to, but in many public schools it has sadly been abandoned, along with PE and the Fine Arts.Quote:
Originally Posted by skaredshtles
I mean - it's easy to say this, anecdotally, but my kids learned some shit in HS that was *way* ahead of shit that I learned, esp in the math/physics area.Quote:
Originally Posted by MontuckyFried
As far as geography goes - if someone doesn't give a shit about geography, they're not going to know where ANYTHING is on a map. And you can't force someone to be interested in geography - those that are, just are.
This whole thing sounds a lot like old men shouting at clouds. Which... checks out. :D
I took three years of first year Latin. Don’t know how I would’ve gotten this far in life without it.
As with many things, YMMV. However, I highly suspect your kids go to a pretty good school. Perhaps that school generally has students with parents that maybe even care a bit. Sadly, much of our country's schools are in far worse shape. Particularly in lower income areas.Quote:
Originally Posted by skaredshtles
That's where background knowledge and context comes into play. You can read a child a book and if they don't understand the contextual information therein, it's in one ear and out the other. Thanks to how our brain functions and synapses connect, knowledge compounds, and it's important to start from the beginning with teaching them all you can. Yes, even geography. Kids won't be really too interested in much of anything without the background knowledge to help them process and thus appreciate the new information, ya know?Quote:
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Originally Posted by old goat
I figure reading cursive could be a key role in finding the upstates since a fella needs to be able to demarcate the "Utica Club" line.
And that amuses me.
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The President of a major university does not know that 2/3 of the students at the university do not possess a certain skill. Sounds like the President is out of touch, not the students.Quote:
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Bunch a boomers in here. People write with a pen or pencil so little it’s irrelevant considering it was pretty much invented so you can write with a quill. Studies seem to show it’s not even faster.
And apparently a first grader can learn to read it in a week or two in case you decide you want to start reading original texts for fun.
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Originally Posted by lifelinksplit
upstate uses beers to teach proper writing skills… utica club done always been cursive.
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and easy to punch too.
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