It’s nowhere near as bad as it seems. Couple of meals a couple of movies and you’ll be there in no time. More time for vacation is always more better, but I wouldn’t let that keep me from a trip i really wanted to go on.
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It’s nowhere near as bad as it seems. Couple of meals a couple of movies and you’ll be there in no time. More time for vacation is always more better, but I wouldn’t let that keep me from a trip i really wanted to go on.
I've adjusted to Japan time in a few days and I think other people are the same. I barely sleep on planes so when I get to Japan around 7pm their time and check in to a hotel by 8-9pm - I sleep for 12 hours and feel OK the next day. Going back home tho - takes me a week to adjust.
10 days is minimum IMO
Seems like it would be easiest for you to check into an NRT airport hotel and keep your ski bags there before going into Tokyo.Quote:
Originally Posted by gramboh
Also, as far as airport fuckery goes, look into how the fare system works for the NRT express trains if you're not already familiar with it. I got thoroughly confused by the double-ticketing system and missed the train while trying to buy a seat reservation. I had a SUICA card in my phone wallet, but the express train seat reservation kiosk didn't have a reader for it, and didn't take american credit cards.
If you skip Tokyo and do a 10ish-day Friday to following Sunday trip I wouldn't hesitate. You'll wish you could have gone for longer, but you'll have a great time.Quote:
Originally Posted by spanky
If you're venturing into Tokyo then just stay in Tokyo and fly ANA out of HND. Jetstar is fine if you're not traveling w/ any luggage but you'll quickly lose any cost savings when you pay for your skis and spend more time/money getting back out to Narita.Quote:
Originally Posted by gramboh
One thing to consider is not selecting an early morning flight to Chitose. If it's dumping they sometimes struggle to get the runway cleared in the morning and delay/cancel the first flight or 2. Take a late morning or early afternoon flight and you'll still have plenty of time to get to your destination.
Only you can answer that question. The time delta, which is what matters, is "only" 10 hours but it effects everyone differently. I would recommend staying on Honshu so you're not losing even more time trying to get north to Hokkaido. You could still get a solid 4-5 days in Nagano or Niigata plus score at least one evening in Tokyo on your way back to the airport.Quote:
Originally Posted by spanky
I frequently traveled to Washington DC from Tokyo, sometimes for as little as 4 day trips. Going west isn't as big of a deal so I would typically acclimate in 1-2 days but traveling east required about 3-4 in order to fully adjust. I'd still rather be completely jetlagged skiing pow in Japan as opposed to traveling anywhere else in N. America...no guarantee that you'll feel the same though.
Any reason Ta-Q-BIN/Kuroneko wouldn’t work for the ski bags and overhead carry ons once you land in Tokyo? Have to think most people could live out of a small personal bag for a day in Tokyo that wouldn’t be an extra charge for Jetstar luggage. And black cat up to Hokkaido should be kinda cheap, like $35?Quote:
Originally Posted by CascadeCrudSkier
https://www.freshsnow.jp/
Found this. Looks useful.. handy map box 3d visualization of terrain. Looks good for finding easy slackcountry
And a screenshot of Kiroro. The forecasts aggregate mainly via snow forecasts
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Originally Posted by LeeLau
nice! thank you.
If they're landing on a Friday and want to ski on Sunday in Hokkaido then Black Cat won't work. The gear may make it by Saturday evening but they won't guarantee it or even say that it is scheduled to arrive then. It's a fast service but it isn't an overnight deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by RudyGarmisch
I used it last winter to ship my daughter's ski gear to and from Yuzawa for her school's ski trip, which is only a couple hours outside Tokyo. They told me it would take 3 days; she skied until lunch on the final day and then turned in the gear to be shipped and it was on our front porch by the next morning. While this sort of speed is often the norm you can't count on it if you're relying on sticking to a tight schedule.
Real time kiroro snow stake for Otaru area, Hokkaido
https://www.instagram.com/margosgard...12ZDdobW42aw==
Been running snowfall numbers on Northern Hokkaido for a project … and man does it get me thinking.
Last year was the second lowest snow year in the city of Kutchan (closest to Niseko) since nineteen-fifty-nine.
However, in the sixties, seventies, and eighties, this town regularly registered the kinda snow seen in Utah, and edged on the records for Mount Baker. And it’s barely above sea level!
That’s taking measurements well below the summit of Mt. Annupuri, which is three thousand feet higher. You do the guess work…
Wonder if the resort ever bothered to total its snowfall back in the day?
I’m betting Niseko stands as the all-time record holder for snowfall when the nearby town of Kutchan logged over two-thousand centimeters in the winter of sixty nine.
That’s almost eight hundred inches at nearly sea level.
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We have a sizable group going to Hakuba in early Feb. Were trying to rent a van to drive from Haneda.
I know there's a train, its a PIA to carry everything with the wife factor. been there done that.
Does anyone have any experience;
a) Driving from Tokyo to Hakuba, if so how is the road? Any crazy steep passes?
b) If you rented, who did you rent from?
c) What are the odds the van will have all weather tires? chains? Alamo and Avis both rent vans but no specific info.
as always thanks for any info~~
No help regarding rentals, but the drive is easy, nothing crazy— more of a small town, narrow and windy than big/steep/exposed. Definitely need studdless snow tires and AWD. Just request it, I guess? Probably easy.
Google maps has come so far that I highly prefer driving around Tokyo (and everywhere)
Never would have enjoyed driving Tokyo 15 years ago. But now it’s fun as fuck.
On a train your view is the smartphone in your hand. In a car your view is everything around you. So much more enjoyable.
Last week I was required to take a 3 hr train for work. I would have rather taken the 5hr drive.
That said— black cat delivery service is legit if you want to embrace the Tokyo train world for a day or two.
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Getting snow tires on a rental car from Tokyo is usually an add-on. if you rent your car on the other end of the train, snow tires are usually included because they’re already on the car.
You’ll need an international driver’s license. $30 or so at AAAQuote:
Originally Posted by Dhelihiker
Turns out a good old fashioned phone call is all you need. I called the Alamo at the airport and they have AWD with snow tires. Reservation is made! The drive sounds fun! It’s been ten years since I’ve been and I can’t wait to go back!!
A few months ago I fell in love with driving around Tokyo.
Siri/Google: “There is debris in the road in 100 meters.” It was half a sheet of plywood. How did she know that?
Just listen to Siri tell you where to go and enjoy the sights. And remember that all that city you see has 882 train stations with shopping. The larger ones have restaurant. Shinjuku is 7stories deep. There’s a whole city below the city. Mind-boggling.
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There are 2 driving routes from downtown Tokyo (Haneda) to Hakuba that will be roughly the same time/distance on Google maps. I just left Japan but spent the past 5 winters driving these roads almost every weekend during the winter.
The first is the northern route that passes through Nagano City and the second is the southern route that passes through Matsumoto. If there's an accident or heavy traffic on one route then obviously take the other option but if they're comparable in time then I'd recommend taking the Nagano route on the way to Hakuba and the Matsumoto route on the way back to Tokyo. I find the northern route more pleasant and scenic and it's also a bit better in inclement weather because there are longer tunnels traveling through the mountains. The dining options in Nagano are also more convenient than traveling into Matsumoto. The advantage on the southern route are seeing Mt. Fuji and if you have a lot of time, swing through Matsumoto and check out the castle.
It's cheaper and more convenient to just get the van in Tokyo and drive but you may struggle finding a company that provides winter tires and AWD. Also get an ETC if that's an option, despite the optimism of Gaijin you'll most likely find driving on the expressways challenging in Tokyo and will probably get lost or take the wrong exit at least once or twice. There are several areas where GPS isn't reliable since there are multiple expressways above/below one another and a mapping app can't determine which one you're on. If you end up underground for more than 60 seconds you'll almost certainly get lost so just accept your fate (impress your travel partners by muttering "shouganai" repeatedly) and enjoy the experience of seeing some of the engineering marvels of the city. If you don't have an ETC then it's necessary to carry a large amount of cash to get through all of the tolls you'll encounter. It's about 6-8000 yen each way depending on what time you're doing the drive, assuming no extra tolls from getting lost. The northern route also requires a 210 yen toll to get into Hakuba that's cash only.
In summary, if you can find a rental company in Tokyo that provides AWD and snow tires then that's your best choice. However, if that's not an option, since most companies aren't catering to skiers or winter enthusiasts, then you may need to look into catching the shinkansen to Nagano City and then renting there. It's more expensive and it'll be difficult to get a bunch of ski gear onto the train but there's less risk involved of not having a vehicle that can handle icy roads. A potential start to your search for the elusive Tokyo winter van is here but there's no filter for winter tires:
https://www.powderhounds.com/Ski-Sho.../Car-Hire.aspx
One last point, while getting into Hakuba isn't particularly challenging, the roads for the northern resorts in the valley or some of the backcountry spots can be very steep and icy. As the roads increase in pitch and iciness you'll need to be aware that some of the common sense driving procedures that you take for granted aren't so common in Japan. It's not unlikely to see minivans stopped on a blind hairpin turn with several people outside the vehicle installing chains. Leave early to avoid the clownshow on pow days and always be ready to react to someone doing something stupid.
Not skiing related, but I recently watched this cyclist tour from south to north in Japan, and it reminded me of this thread.
https://youtu.be/RpH8vt5WLV0?si=HCGQKF8FCsGDq1mU
I have ridden every day since this post. Most amazing December I have witnessed anywhere, and snowfall totals setting records for the month. Great startQuote:
Originally Posted by SUPERIOR
Buddy wants to go in March this year. I told him "remember how it was borderline too late when we went at the end of Feb?"
What do you all say?
Thank you guys for the info, Im all set. If any Mags are in the zone the first week of Feb, hit me up, beer is on me.
That Mr Yuk sticker brings me back to the 80's in Washington. That was when being a kid was actually dangerous.
Good to hear, looking forward to getting deep into itQuote:
Originally Posted by boltonoutlaw
Awesome! Where are you based out of this season?Quote:
Originally Posted by boltonoutlaw
Geto Kogen killin’ it as usual… love that place.
Flying into NRT on Christmas Eve for a last minute solo ski trip. Going to stay until Jan 1 and debating between Niseko and Hakuba. Curious what you guys would suggest based on the forecast and conditions - thanks!!
Tohoku…
fact.
I've had some of my deepest days ever in March, or Jarch as it's known on Hokkaido.Quote:
Originally Posted by summit
RankoshiQuote:
Originally Posted by muted reborn
Hakuba has steeper chairs. I think Hokkaido’s getting nuked. Their forests might be open.Quote:
Originally Posted by ishamazon@gmail.com
Hakuba Cortina has some of the best trees in Japan if it’s filled in yet. Only downside is all the tree skiers know this.
We do have snow in the forecast for Zao, but the forest isn’t really rideable until late January. Decent front side high-speed quad laps though when it’s snowing. Just beware of the non-skier tourists that flood the gondola. Line up early for first tram to get you up high. There’s also a new fast-pass this year for an extra 1000¥. Skip the lines. I haven’t tried it yet— super curious.Quote:
Originally Posted by m2711c
Also check Madarao and see if their trees are open yet.
This. March is my favorite month.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Pow
#sasabashing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2usSDhTE-8
Anyone on here speak Japanese available to try and call a few hotels to see if they have any availability around Ani? Joining a few from here and the lodging is full. There is one place that does not seem to have any web presence but has a phone, and another that says it's full but I can't find any kind of contact/email address.
Big ask but not sure what else to do. PM me if you are willing to help to not clutter up the thread.
Thanks in advance!
I used a travel agent in Tokyo for that purpose. I think it was around $30. Called it a concierge service. British guy. If nobody else is better help can try and find his number
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Yeah, I saw that image several years back, laughed, and used it as my avatar. Now I don't seem to be able to change it so it's here to stay.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dhelihiker
Killing it dude. FKNA
TY. Git sumQuote:
Originally Posted by byates1
IG is where I'll be this season
We're heading to Japan for the first two weeks of February. Our plan is to start in Sapporo (which we did last year, and it was awesome) and spend roughly a week there. We're debating going out to Furano / Asahikawa for a few nights before returning to Tokyo and heading home. Although I am curious about skiing further south just to have a different experience and see more - being able to do so and then just take a train back to Tokyo would be awesome too. The options are almost overwhelming - any recommendations that'd be good for 2-3 nights and easy to get to from CTS or Sapporo without transiting through Tokyo?