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Originally Posted by 2FUNKY
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That BC120 profile looks a lot like the OG renegade--little more tip splay though, which the ren needed I think. I can feel the speed just looking at it!Quote:
Originally Posted by mc_roon
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This needs to be on the next HL emailQuote:
Originally Posted by 2FUNKY
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“It’s so good, when it hits your lips! It’s so good”
Marshal you’ve outdone yourself with these.
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This may seem like a random comparison, but has anyone been on both the FR110 and the Rossi Black Ops 118?
I currently ski 184 ON3P BGs Asyms on pow days and 184 Deathwish 112s pretty much every other day.
I’d be fine with just those skis, but what I’m slightly lacking is:
1) A ski that floats well (doesn’t have to be quite as well as the BGs, but close)
2) Is more damp in deep chop than the Deathwishes (they’re just a little light)
3) Is more fun on firm snow than the BGs (I can tolerate the BGs, but I generally don’t ski them the day after the storm when there’s going to be a decent amount of skied out snow)
Seems like both the BO118 and FR110 might fit the bill, although they’re clearly very different skis. Assume the BO118 floats better and has slightly better damping/suspension but the FR110 is quicker and pivots more easily?
Re:reverse camber, I’ve previously skied Moment Meridians and loved them in smooth, firm snow, but found them to be slightly hooky in 3D snow (very little taper) and didn’t love the lack of camber and subsequent lack of damping on very firm hardpack, but I wouldn’t be using these skis much on hardpack.
And probably goes without saying, but I’d always choose the build quality of HL over Rossi.
I’d also be curious on this comparison, I actually just posted about this in the moment threadQuote:
Originally Posted by Skeeze
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I’ve got three days on my 180 FR110’s. I’m 5’7”, 170 lbs. Haven’t skied the Black Ops but here’s my take on the FR 110s.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skeeze
Coming from many days on Ravens/Hojis/Renegades there was zero learning curve for me on these. Felt like I'd owned them for years from 1st run.
Re point #1 (float)…..I don’t find the FR 110 to be super floaty. Prolly as they are 2-3cm shorter than my Hojis/Renegades. I’m mounted at -5.8cm (rec is -6cm) on the 180 FR 110 and in untracked pow the tips don’t rise up to the surface, like say a Faction Candide 5.0 (which has wide tips like the Black Ops) or the Blade Optic 114 (139-114-132)? I don’t mind being in the snow, but based on their specs (135-110-130) I thought the FR 110s would be floatier. For an inbounds pow ski at Whistler they will rock as the pow is gone by 9:00 am. If I was skiing deep stuff Whitewater I’d take my Renegades.
That being said…re point #2 (chop). They’re awesome in soft, deep chop. Playful and powerful mix. These will be my after-pow ski for sure, to complement my Blade Optic 114, but when I want to be on drifty, full reverse. You can ski like a lunatic, and throw 'em and sideways at any speed. The driftiness is epic. And they motor over and through soft, cut up snow. As has been said above….the FR 110 do what you want, when you need them too.
Re point #3 (groomers/firm) I find the FR 110 grippy on shitty snow groomers when you roll the entire ski over to engage the full edge (Raven/Hoji style).
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^^^ what is the mount point on hojis?
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Hey Shorty,Quote:
Originally Posted by Shorty_J
184 4FRNT Hojis:
Straight pull @ 182.5 cm
Mount is 85 cm from tail (-6.25 cm)
180 Heritage Lab FR 110:
Straight pull @ 179.6 cm
Mount is 84 cm from tail (-5.80 cm)
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^^^ not huge difference then.
Skiing k108 and bmt122 in powder last year made me realize how much mount point affects float. Those are both about -9 to -10. It's kind of obvious in retrospect, but at the same time you have to work within the design of the ski.
I think the conclusion that you have come to... day after soft snow drifting... is what that ski will excel at.
Different ski for deep fresh.
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FR110s getting the goods today.
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom_Guardian
Regarding the FR110. We have had like no snow in MT. Just started to get soft last weekend.
I really wanted to like these skis but have been struggling. It’s been hardpack. Struggled w the balance point. I’ve probably always been a pretty directional skier. But in my head I thought these would be a sick Bridger bowl tight line ski. We just haven’t had the snow to ski that stuff yet. But man! Today shit was in. The essence of Bridger is steep tight tech. As good as that gets anywhere. Fucking love these things. I can put turns anywhere and just ski the shit out of these lines people are struggling on. So stoked on the ski. Starting figuring them out sending soft trees last weekend alternating between airing bumps and ripping tiny turns. Felt like I was 17)I’m not!). Then got them out today and just was so stoked to see my vision actualized and be able to put turns where I always wanted to but couldn’t.
Def better skis for doing a lot of things but these slay the steep tech. Can’t wait for 2moro!!!
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yessir, good points.Quote:
Originally Posted by kc_7777
the Hoji, as you setup, has 2cm more shovel length (subtle). the big difference is that the Hoji also has a 2cm higher tip height (9cm vs 7cm), and a softer shovel too.
So certainly a surfier tip, that may bog down more in variable/chop (the trade off).
Correct tools for different jobs, imo!
Yeah this. This is where I got to on mine. But I live in Sun Valley which is like opposite Bridger.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shredeagle
Just to chime in that we’ve had different experiences on the float, guessing due to ski size difference…Quote:
Originally Posted by kc_7777
I’m on the 186 FR110 (6’, 180 lbs) mounted at rec and found them to float above their width class.
I’ll echo the above sentiment: I have not had tip dive or float issues on my fr110 186cm (mounted at -6) in deep snow
Order placed-- R110 in a 187. (Me = 5'8" 165lb, 25cm Lange.)
Should slot brilliantly between my 184 M102 and my 186 HALS Renegade for Japan.
I'll do a profile pic later when this resort quiver is complete, but for now I think you can imagine how these three skis will slot together for JP resorts. AKA-- lots of snow, but a contrast between sports; Trees and Groomers. There is always that day, quite frequently, where it's not entirely clear where I'll be skiing. Contrarily, I"ll be between the forest and the groomers. This is where the R110 fits in. It snowed two days ago, the forest is ridable, but tracked out, and the groomers are soft and fast. Neither of those contrasts in that day are ideal for the M102 or the Ren.
I've been needing this ski for a long time and have been patiently waiting for somebody to release it. Volkl came out with the Blaze 114. That was super intriguing, but I feared it to be too light for the crud days I'm likely to encounter for this ski. The Hoji was also on my list, being a Renegade fan, but the last thing I want for my crud/'tweener ski is full-reverse.
I want flat camber, slight tail rocker, and moderate tip rocker. ON3P had a couple of offerings that were tempting, but alas, too much tail rocker. I grew up racing. I'm a directional skier. If a ski has a simple 1cm of tail rocker, I know it'll shut down just fine.
Praxis was also on the radar, but too much camber underfoot for this ski. I wanted a flat-cambered, narrower Ren = more suspension in crud and a touch of more edgability on groomers but enough tail rocker to release when I find myself in shallow snow in the forest. AKA, December or April.
Marshall, you make me happy. But take my money.
And the ST120BC is probably going to replace my Ren in 2-3 years time once all of you guys post about how it out-skis my Ren in new snow. I can easily see that happening but I'd rather ignore it for the time being. I was not (am not) in a position to buy new skis. But there is no way I'm gonna let an R110 escape my grasp. I know exactly what this ski is. And when MO said it was the birth-child of an MFree108 and a Renegade... I almost came a little. That's the bastard-child slotting itself between an M102 and a Ren. And it's designed for people like me... a target audience that most ski manufacturers can't afford to target. Really picky, niche-focused skiers who stalk and pull the trigger when they know what they see.
My original intention for this ski was gonna be CAST. But then came the swallows. So, a ST120BC might be a better Hakuba side-country get up. Not that an R110 could fail at that role by any means. But if we're already discussing replacing my 2013 HALS Ren, then... I mean this is the first build that has caught my attention. And it makes me furious.
Remember 1992? When we owned a GS ski and a SL ski? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
In the meantime, I'm quite confident this R110 will serve me for more than a decade. I even said to my wife-- this might be the last ski I ever buy. It might be that versatile.
So my R110s were also missing bevel and the tail was hard to release on my first day out, got a grind, all good now.
The R110 is THE best mid stance variable snow freeride ski on the market.
It fucking slays, it has major edge grip even on pure ice, it’s damp and strong and can be pushed as hard as you can go. It slivers through moguls, feathers large slarves to control your speed skiing through exposure and can hook up and rail when you need it. It’s balanced in the air and stomps landings. It’s probably not going to be as good as other skis in this category in pure pow, but time will tell.
They dont feel unstable running bases flat like many other full rocker skis.
This is the ski I have been looking for for a long time. The OG woodsman was close but doesn’t have the hard snow grip the R110 has and that ski is long gone design wise anyway.
This is the hard snow OG renegade, “hold my dick, it’s hard and icy”
I’m getting multiple backups.
This pleases me. This is what I have been feeling and the intuition I have been following.Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_pretzel
A few days now on my 192 FR110 mounted at 88.5 from the tail (-1.75cm from recommended).
My daily skis are 190 bibbys mounted at -1 (both full layup for inbounds and tour layup for BC) and ski scarpa maestrale RS with booster straps as a single boot quiver
Echoing what a lot of others have said here, these skis truck. Skiing UT resort pow a few days after the storm they handled everything from the slammed entrance runs to the newly opened terrain areas that were largely untracked exceptionally well. While I love my full rocker skis for pure untracked, I never got along with this type of ski for inbounds and have been on ravens, meridans, and chipotle bananas. Inbounds on this type I would find myself missing the supportive tail of a cambered ski.
Not for these ones - even when I purposefully put myself in the back seat there is still enough tail to power back into a more neutral stance. I can slide the tails out when I want to and ski from my heels, but on groomers and other hardpack you can still put your weight forward and carve really hard with great stability. No issues with bouncing around and getting squirly on cattracks and the like.
Day after a storm skiing through when there is no soft snow left I can see these becoming my go-to ski. No issues with float but for the deepest days inbounds I would probably go wider so I may need to pickup some 120s to match.
Like you, I think a R120 swallowtail and a FR110 are a perfect 1-2 combo for all powder day and day after needs. I am on the 186/187cm.
I'm pretty sold on the R/R combo but I like the idea of having the FR120 for the really warm pow days.
my 120BCs are 187 and if I end up with 120r for inbounds I would keep the same length. So far very happy I sized up on the FR110s as that extra rocker splay makes them more manageable than a 192 r110 would be.
I want the supportive tail and longer running length of the R120. I really wanted the fr110 to compliment it and it’s perfect for me. I also have FR132s for super deep but with how good the r120 is, we’ll see if I end up busting the 132s out.
Long shot here...but if anyone wants to offload their FR110's, I'll take em. 192's would be great. If not, I'll be ordering a pair for next fall. Thanks to everyone on the thread for their detailed reviews and honest feedback. And to Marshall for designing what sounds like a great ski.
I think I have to snag the HB122 for really deep. Them seems like they would float really well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Upinsmoke
I’m very curious about Marshals repress of the HB. I had pair of the original hellbent
Not the longer ones, but the only FR110s (and a couple other skis) that I am about to list to the outlet is a 180cm FR110. If anyone is interested, please let me know!Quote:
Originally Posted by elcap23
Still waivering on r110 vs r105 to slot between bonafides and supergoats. I think the 105s are the right call but these seem to be getting a lot more stoke. I want something that can charge but also pivot in tight terrain and have never had a reverse cambered or progressive mounted ski.
I’ll send an email reply to you in a moment, Carl!
Thanks bonus just came in so want to order before the price increase!
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Originally Posted by Marshal Olson
Shipping discount doesn't apply for Canada, or did I do something wrong?
No, sorry, international shipping discount is funky for some reason. Please feel free to place the order and I’ll refund!
cheers,
marshal
Pfluff's aren't going to fit my boots, so I bump this!Quote:
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Marshal, is there a demo pair in Utah I could jam a 315 bsl into? I'm there next week.
hit me up, yoQuote:
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im at the bottom of LCC and ski most week days for a few hrs too
You're the man, thanks Marshal!Quote:
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