If only there was something we could do...

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Originally Posted by Dexter Rutecki

This, and all the other bullshit distraction attempts about mental health being a priority, blah blah. Bottom line, as always, is a complete shift in gun regulation (ultra-strict like other countries have--countries that never, ever have these problems) will fix all of this. The rest is just bullshit the gun people have used to distract from what needs to be done--getting rid of most of these guns. Get rid of the guns and you get rid of the problem. It really is that simple, as other countries have shown us. There's nothing so special about us that would make us the exception. Who gives a fuck what 18th century slave owners wrote down (putting aside the misreading of the amendment, which is very clear that the 'right' only applies for the purposes of maintaining a military).

Sickening what people are willing to accept and advocate for.

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You're not going to be able to overturn the 2nd. If you want gun law reform, you're going to have to start thinking about what gun control you can support, that might actually help things, that you can also get the majority of gun owners to support as well.

So registries and de facto registries are off the table you don't get the support for that.

You're going to have to abandon your favorite most emotionally gratifying ideas and embrace finding common ground with those you disagree with. This isn't a moral commandment its just a practical reality.

Demonizing gun owners and dismissing their values as insanity or selfishness are not going to get us anywhere. Making them feel scared of bans is just going to make them buy more guns and ammo. Keep butting your heads against a brick wall if you want, it won't lead to any sollutions but it at least creates a target to vent blame and anger on.

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Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless

Good point.



https://news.yahoo.com/suspect-fatal...175634192.html

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wow, a murder in a city of ten million. this comes nowhere close to explaining how the murder rate in ny is 1/6 that of texas, and if chicago was a state it would be slotted between alabama and louisiana for firearm mortality per 100k.

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Originally Posted by dunfree

Bobby stupid is bad with numbers and unable to grasp that there’s a lot of people that don’t own any guns and don’t want to.

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About half.

“Nothing can be done because I’m not willing to make a personal sacrifice”

“The problem is too big. Therefore, nothing can be done.”

“Trying is the first step towards failure”

“More cops to hem and haw for an hour over what to do while kids are being slaughtered”

I hope some of you aren't wasting all your time engaging with nitwits.

Please take some time to write your senators to pass HR8 and demand that further gun control bills be passed.

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Originally Posted by Dexter Rutecki

Yup, it could never work because...it could never work. Because someone said so. Despite all the evidence to the contrary, including in this country (in NYC, for example--look what strict gun laws and enforcement and interdiction of guns from the stupid states accomplished here). Grow up, amirite Stainless?

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The biggest actual obstacle would be the massive amount of money $$$$$ the government would have to print to compensate all these ammosexuals for their personal arsenals. I suspect that the fact that they could no longer brag online and poste about the cool but now illegal gunz without getting a visit from the ATF. They/we could no longer take them to the range and play with them there.. Taking all the fun out of it might persuade most except the true anarchists to comply and find a different hobby.

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Originally Posted by ex-powderbroker

wow, a murder in a city of ten million. this comes nowhere close to explaining how the murder rate in ny is 1/6 that of texas, and if chicago was a state it would be slotted between alabama and louisiana for firearm mortality per 100k.

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Yeah. Subways in NYC are super safe these days. Just don't get pushed on the tracks or shot.

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Originally Posted by The AD

It's not just about the sheer number, though. It's about the types of guns allowed by private citizens, the capacity of magazines allowed, and where and how those guns can be utilized.

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And the absolute impossibility of limiting those things retroactively.

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Originally Posted by leroy jenkins

Demonizing gun owners and dismissing their values as insanity or selfishness are not going to get us anywhere. Making them feel scared of bans is just going to make them buy more guns and ammo. Keep butting your heads against a brick wall if you want, it won't lead to any sollutions but it at least creates a target to vent blame and anger on.

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leroy you and Bobby stupid prove his point. As a gun owner, I look at you assholes and see the problem

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Originally Posted by mcphee

“Nothing can be done because I’m not willing to make a personal sacrifice”

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Sure, yea, anti gun types aren't willing to sacrifice their ire, blame, and hatred for gun owners, nor their smug attachment to being right, and thier insistence the world can be some sort of perfect place, and are therefore incapable of pursuing any actually possible solutions. Agreed.

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Originally Posted by leroy jenkins

And the absolute impossibility of limiting those things retroactively.

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Weren’t you bitching about auto seers pages ago? Is or isn’t it impossible?

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Originally Posted by dunfree

leroy you and Bobby stupid prove his point. As a gun owner, I look at you assholes and see the problem

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Your hate might provide you with some dopamine but it won't create any solutions .

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Originally Posted by mcphee

“Nothing can be done because I’m not willing to make a personal sacrifice”

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I already asked what assault rifle owners could do and the answer was destroy them....

That wont happen as they are valuable. There are no buy backs in place and selling to another private owner literally does nothing.

So... What exactly is the personal sacrifice you speak of?

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Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless

Yeah. Subways in NYC are super safe these days. Just don't get pushed on the tracks or shot.

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Cool that you’ve pivoted back to “I’m an obfuscating bullshiter”

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Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless

About half.

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bzzzt, wrong again Bobby stupid. 32% of individuals, 44% of households. Freaks like you and Leroy are a minority

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Originally Posted by The AD

Question for the gun experts here: supposedly he purchased two AR platform rifles and 375 rounds of ammo. Approximately how much would that cost?

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He bought a premium AR. Daniel Defense. Approx $1800. Then another $600 AR. Ammo $250.

Usually I say the affordability of guns designed for mass production are a problem, but that DD is unusual.


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Originally Posted by schuss

Combat vets aren't necessarily trained to be with kids and may do more damage with their other behavior during non shooting times.

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C'mon. Do you think all these vets came back as animals and can't be trained to simply protect a school? That they don't have kids themselves? That they never interacted with local kids in Afghanistan or wherever they served? That schools can't do an interview or background check on them beforehand?

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Originally Posted by Buster Highmen

I hope some of you aren't wasting all your time engaging with nitwits.

Please take some time to write your senators to pass HR8 and demand that further gun control bills be passed.

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This. Arguing with ammosexuals is a waste of time.

Cono, If you’re going to buy a killing machine, buy a nice one.

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Originally Posted by dunfree

leroy you and Bobby stupid prove his point. As a gun owner, I look at you assholes and see the problem

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That doesn't make any sense. Arguing with me on TGR literally does nothing for your cause. Are you saying its my fault youre engaging me?

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Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless

Someone needs to tell these people they are fucking stupid.

https://news.yahoo.com/manatee-schoo...194554275.html

https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/Pl...a8c7063e93bfb9

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Bobby, you the NRA & and the GQP can try and sell that narrative. Anyone with a brain knows it is horse shit.
Close down sales of guns to civilians and buy back all of the guns out there.
Put a bounty out and make it very profitable to snitch out your gun fag neighbor.
Make having a banned weapon a very long prison term.
Within a few years the guns and this issue are gone.

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Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless

I already asked what assault rifle owners could do and the answer was destroy them....

That wont happen as they are valuable. There are no buy backs in place and selling to another private owner literally does nothing.

So... What exactly is the personal sacrifice you speak of?

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Support a federal, state, and local registry. Support insurance requirements. Support destroying all confiscated firearms. Quit supporting gun manufacturers who stand in the way of any progress, etc and etc….

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Originally Posted by leroy jenkins

And the absolute impossibility of limiting those things retroactively.

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As I said previously, you can't let perfect be the enemy of good. You've got to start somewhere and maybe the results won't be immediate. You start with something and you work from there.

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Originally Posted by dunfree

bzzzt, wrong again Bobby stupid. 32% of individuals, 44% of households. Freaks like you and Leroy are a minority

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44% of households... About half. Jesus.

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Originally Posted by TahoeJ

This. Arguing with ammosexuals is a waste of time.

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I was told in this thread that if I own guns, it’s a waste of time to write legislators.

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Originally Posted by mcphee

Support a federal, state, and local registry. Support insurance requirements. Support destroying all confiscated firearms. Quit supporting gun manufacturers who stand in the way of any progress, etc and etc….

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I don't really pay attention to what I buy, other than quality. I already support that other stuff.

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Originally Posted by liv2ski

Bobby, you the NRA & and the GQP can try and sell that narrative. Anyone with a brain knows it is horse shit.
Close down sales of guns to civilians and buy back all of the guns out there.
Put a bounty out and make it very profitable to snitch out your gun fag neighbor.
Make having a banned weapon a very long prison term.
Within a few years the guns and this issue are gone.

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Do you actually believe any of that is remotely possible? I've got some nice beach front property for you in TN.

“I don’t care about what I’m actually supporting”

I'd be down with registering my .22 Stevens Little Scout.

I feel safer on must urban mass transit systems than I do in most Walmart parking lots..

Jesus, you guys make me ashamed to be American with all this "the problem is too big" whining. We landed on the moon. All that's needed is to actually want to make things better. When did people become so afraid of doing difficult things?

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Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless

Hence the reason I think all "assault weapons" (which needs more definition) should be Class 3. I don't like to tell people what they need or don't need. It's not really my business. However, if you want access to dangerous shit you need to go through some hoops. They aren't even hoops really. It's just the ATF making sure you aren't a felon or on a list.

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Maybe you'd like to further expound on what Class 3 offers in terms of screening vs the current Form 4473 / NICS background check?

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Originally Posted by muted reborn

C'mon. Do you think all these vets came back as animals and can't be trained to simply protect a school? That they don't have kids themselves? That they never interacted with local kids in Afghanistan or wherever they served? That schools can't do an interview or background check on them beforehand?

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It's really amazing. There are actual instances where it is working fine.

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Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless

Someone needs to tell these people they are fucking stupid.

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OK, this I agree with.

Yeah, a guy patrolling a school carrying a rifle is totally normal. I can't believe anyone thinks this is where we should be headed as a country. Jesus...

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Originally Posted by Summit

Maybe you'd like to further expound on what Class 3 offers in terms of screening vs the current Form 4473 / NICS background check?

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NICS are done in about 15 min and apparently the shooter passed one. Finger printing can tie you to any crime that you might've committed. NICS doesn't do that. The waiting period is a deterrent.

However, Im not naive enough to think that a person wouldn't buy a handgun and commit the same crime.

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Originally Posted by The AD

OK, this I agree with.

Yeah, a guy patrolling a school carrying a rifle is totally normal. I can't believe anyone thinks this is where we should be headed as a country. Jesus...

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It's where you are. Where you should be isn't reality.

I guess we will see if that school has any incidents.

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Originally Posted by Buster Highmen

I hope some of you aren't wasting all your time engaging with nitwits.

Please take some time to write your senators to pass HR8 and demand that further gun control bills be passed.

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We're working on flipping a NC Senate seat to blue

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Originally Posted by mcphee

“I don’t care about what I’m actually supporting”

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I'm not on board with the "Take the gunz" crowd. Ill support the things that I already do personally.

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Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless

It's where you are. Where you should be isn't reality.

I guess we will see if that school has any incidents.

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The shooter encountered an armed resource officer before entering the building. Same with Parkland. SROs aren’t the deterrent you think they are.

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Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless

Someone needs to tell these people they are fucking stupid.

https://news.yahoo.com/manatee-schoo...194554275.html

https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/Pl...a8c7063e93bfb9

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What a great learning environment. The US is full of a bunch of mouth breathing morans.