We need you up here, DJ! Plus I need to get you your pants black [emoji23] We can all bring our M102s out at Alpental, though hopefully we'll need wider skis.Quote:
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We need you up here, DJ! Plus I need to get you your pants black [emoji23] We can all bring our M102s out at Alpental, though hopefully we'll need wider skis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Djongo Unchained
I’m still on the hunt for 176 bmt 94’s if anyone sees a pair for sale….
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Originally Posted by phatty
Yo!
Thanks, I've been talking the talk about getting back since AlpyBBI19, but to no avail. I'm committed to it this season.
Lmao, those pants are yours unless ya just don't like them. NBD. I gots da gear out the ying yang.
Heard ya had an event recently. Hope it wasn't too severe and that we can turn again soon. Look forward to it...
Hmmm, M6 is the best? You just added another ski to my demo list.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandit Man
Seems like there was a lot more love for the Mantra 102s than Katana 108s, why is that?
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Originally Posted by AlpenDude
I would not be afraid of sizing up on Revolt 121s - they have very long rocker zones and a shit ton of splay.Quote:
Originally Posted by optics
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Sorry to post this graphic again. Blackops118 and M-Free 118 have around 70mm splay upfront, compared to R121s massive 100mm. When you add that to the long rocker zones you'll end up with a ski that is fairly pivoty, yet retain some traction underfoot on harder surfaces.
I've only skied a few runs on the 184s at roughly -2, and they skied kinda short - if very well - as far as I can remember. I can't remember too much details to be honest other than that I liked them. I also have some time on the Noctas, but only in late season denser snow - not jan/feb dry snow (I thought they were fun too). I would not be terribly surprised if the R121s are even looser in soft snow, in spite of being a fair bit heavier - and a fair bit more potent in variable due to the aforementioned weight.
Picked up some volkl 2's the other day, 196cm. 124 waist. Full reverse camber. These will be for deep days. 250$ w tyrolia bindings that fit my bsl. Sweet deal
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Atsa score fosho.
I did a lot of second guessing on this ski, it took me almost 3 years to buy a pair (wasn't demoing many skis the past few years) because I was afraid of the 3D radius on refrozen snow. I've been looking for a more easy going Monster 108 or Pro Rider for a while, like the 2012-2014 Katanas, but I don't really want to go too tight on sidecut and don't want to give up any refrozen snow performance as that's the whole point of a ski like this for me. My M4 Mantras are great off piste, but lacking a bit in confidence charging compared to 2014 Katanas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylvan
Legit the past 2 days, I have some growing feelings inside of me to sell them.. I've been reading a lot of reviews talking about how so many people prefer the Mantra 102, because the Katana 108 can feel hooky sometimes in firm off piste. Now I'm overthinking everything, as I do.
I know that if I drill these, and then feel any sort of hookiness, I will be losing money because they will be sold at that point. I don't really ski groomers except to get back to the lift, I will be disappointed if the 191 Katana 108s only are good for heartcarving.
Double post. There are a few pairs of last years 191 Katanas left online for $580ish, if anyone is looking and doesn’t want to spend more for the 2024 model year
Thanks for the graphics, nice to visualize the comparison. I'm pretty sold on going with 191's.Quote:
Originally Posted by kid-kapow
Who has a pair of 191s to sell or trade?
Bry says he'd only allow me to sell the Katana 108s if it's to get some FL113s haha. I've been asking him questions about this ski for 2 years straight lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylvan
I'll probably keep the K108s AND add some Bonafide97s to the quiver as well. Thinking about it more, I have straight skis, I could use some rippers that can turn.
https://youtu.be/Goj6KlFVVfk
Here's Sierra iquitiquit telling you how amazing volkl 2s are for deep while skiing groomers at Stratton VT.
Can't wait to get my 124 waisted reverse skis out on some refrozen corduroy
Yep, on the 184 M6. Love them on 7th Heaven first thing in the morning when the groomers are firm but not torn up yet. Really nice blend of edge to edge quickness and stability. The 1st Gen M102 has an edge for stability, but the M6 is just more fun. The 3D sidecut makes them edge well but not feel as locked into a certain radius like most 95-ish skis these days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylvan
Mind you, I’ve become a total fan boy of the current 3D sidecut lineup. I have the Kendo 88 (haven’t skied them yet), M6, M102 (1st and 2nd Gen), and K108…all in the 184 length. Lots of overlap, but enjoy the unique character of each.
What even is 3D sidecut? Is it like how other companies blend different sidecuts into one on a ski, like Line Skis “5-cut” on all their models??
Tip-Waist-Tail
Katana 108s are 145-108-129. 44m/21m/36m
Katana 112s are 143-112-132. 28.2m radius
I don’t understand how the tip of the K108 has a longer radius blend than the tail, given the dimensions. The tail of the K108 looks pretty darn straight. Maybe I got this all backwards?
Either way, the tip width and smallest 21m radius on the K108 are not that ridiculous.
That is hysterical.Quote:
Originally Posted by byates1
Aaah early Sept. That time of year when I buy shit that I don’t need.
I’m looking for a heavier, centerish mounted pow ski >120mm….again. I had some 180cm Armada Magic J’s in this slot last year but they felt “short”? I have some unmounted Pon2oons (which measure K2 long like a 181) that I’m sure won’t feel short at -10cm and I’m sure I’d love the Pon2oons in the super deep, but I’m more of center mounted skier and last year’s Volkl Revolt 121’s are now $499CDN up here. That’s like $365US.
Any shorter guys (5’7”, ~170 lbs) skiing the 184cm R121? Assume they ski pretty short at -2.8 rec with all the tip/tail rocker. Likely they work well at -1 cm too. I know I’ve answered my own question but would love to hear other comments about these skis.
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I am 70/175 so no clyde, and only have a few runs on R121s at -2. They skied well.
While I cannot remember too much from the few runs I did on the R121s I do remember them not having the same "I want to be skied in this one position" feel that I felt the Whitewalker 116s had mounted at recommended. Meaning that it kinda felt like the tails wanted to sink in or punch into the wind affected soft snow I was skiing them in instead of wanting to stay on top if my weight got aft of slightly forward of center. I suspect that that feeling is less prominent or might even dissapear on the Sammy line, if at the cost of float. I switched to Lotus117s after a few runs and the snow that felt kinda weird and unpredictable all of a sudden became super easy to ski. I would not be terribly surprised if Magic Js kinda have some similar traits - they are both mustachio rockered skis that are strong underfoot with softer tips / tails. I cannot recall any other ski feeling the same way in soft snow.
R121s did look kinda unfamiliar with so little ski with so much taper ahead of me, but again - they skied predictably and well.
I would personally opt for ON3P Jeffrey 118s over R121s
Possibly have a line on some kendos, 2022. They are probably le tits for groom zoom eh?
groomers, bumps, you betQuote:
Originally Posted by byates1
That would be my go to ski....ha
Volkl bmt 94 in a 186 with Dukes for $300. Top sheets look in good condition. Near me, happy to help if needed
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Originally Posted by cat in january
Sorry if this has been mentioned before. How do you get that stock tune feeling back into m102s? I just dug those skis from the factory and they lost their luster after a late season tune last year..
Someone mentioned the same earlier, but can’t really remember what the consensus was.Quote:
Originally Posted by ASP
Volkl has bevel specs on their site.
Has me worried though. Rationalizing buying a back-up pair
I don’t know the magic number, but my history would say more towards a 1.5 base than towards a .5 base.
I don’t think it’s a tight tune. I think it’s quite loose.
Bu that’s just like, my opinion, man.
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I think I listed a private fb group before. They were still showing up for me so I reached out to the seller. I have his number if folks don’t bother with fb. Here is perhaps a viewable listingQuote:
Originally Posted by iriponsnow
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...77007546291950
The Dukes max at 28.5, before that he had dynafit rotations at 29.5.
Almost identical situation for me. Tips were a bit edge high, tails too but less so.Quote:
Originally Posted by ASP
Decided to get them flattened and it wracked the factory tune.
Not horrible by any stretch but decidedly not the effortless ski that it had been.
I will say that I failed to round out the tuning at first. I still needed to re bevel bases and detune tips and tails.
I did and that helped.
I feel fairly confident they can be brought back around, just gonna take some time and experimenting.
That was me and a few others here.Quote:
Originally Posted by sf
I think base bevel was 1.5+/-
I just bought a back up pair but as we discussed earlier, there's no guarantee that it'll be identical. Close, yes. The same? I wouldn't bet the farm on it.
Not addressing the tune after the grind was on me so my dismay could be somewhat unfounded.
I think you're right on the number and if it is an overall loose tune, that would explain why I liked it right outta the plastic.Quote:
Originally Posted by gaijin
With a slight detune.
I prefer a strong detune and chose to go easier on the 102's and was so pleasantly surprised at the easiness of the ski, but with more grippy edges than I usually run.
Looked around and haven't seen much mentioned about it. Has anyone got time on the new Blaze 114's yet? Current quiver is M108 (184), K108 (184) and some gen1 Blizzard Spurs in a 190ish that I basically never use.
RIP BMT109 - so weird that they are no longer offered. So get them while supplies last - they can usually be found at steep discounts over in Euroland (prob why they have been discontinued - sales being low, but then again they are so pricy that they still are expensive at 20-50% off).
I must admit to being torn between getting some back up pairs or just getting a second pair of ON3P BG108tours instead (stupidly sold my first pair). BG108tours is the only mid-wide touring ski I've tried that is as good and in some cases better than BMT109s.
I've not tried them myseelf, but everybody seems to like them for what they are. They should be dead easy to ski (wide shovels and lots of ski taper, pretty much flat underfoot with long gradual rocker zones, light weight, mount point far back), if nowhere near as chargy as the new revolt114. So prob kinda like a full rocker ski, just a bit more predictable on hard snow if prob also more hooky / prone to deflection (wide shovels, low weight) in variable.Quote:
Originally Posted by GHILL28
The 114 was only unstable when I ran them flat, no troublesome hooking in at least the soft chop with decent speeds. That damned 3D sidecut magic. Mind, they aren't exactly featherweight, 184's 2kg; 194 north of that. Side profile's photographed pages back. Good compliment to other 3D Volkl's, recommend sizing up if quiver'd for powder. Mount same spot as those skis, with +1 an option if on the line to loosen up.
Stupid easy to use, a reserved user could daily them in high pressure. Definitely dad's powder ski.
I’m 6’4” 230lbs:Quote:
Originally Posted by Velomayniac
They’re the shit, but a little light and mostly rockered so they can get knocked around in variable snow, particularly the firm kind. They’ll won’t fold up on you, but they have trouble holding a line. Smooth groomers are real fun to carve at high edge angles. Really though, they actually ski phenomenally in pow, although they’re too short and skinny to hit drops at speed. Shovels hold up to nose butters, tails have a nice flex to them and the rocker makes tail butters doable, the tip and tail taper is just right, and all that comes together to make a really nice park ski, from packed pow to the slush. They spin easy and surface swap tubes real easy too. I also recommend you try to nollie on them. They will launch you and no tip catch risk really. First ski I haven’t been disappointed in for a long time. It makes really sensible compromises if you’re still trying to jib.
Tried to search. But came up empty so if this answer is there please point me in the right direction. Are there any changes to 23/24 Vwerks Katana besides the tapering of the tips and tails. Like did they move mount point forward or any other big change?
Apparently the tip and tail taper was a rumor and the only change is actually the loss of the hole in the tip.Quote:
Originally Posted by turnfarmer
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yup, it seems like Evo got a bit carried away on the tapering thingy. It will be interesting to see how long they keep it going, especially now with the exit of thee BMT109. The skin attachment mod can't be very costly.
I haven’t ever seen the old one in person, but the 2024 model pic on the website sure looks more tapered than I remembered the old model looking. But my memory could easily be wrong. Thanks all.
man, did the kill the Mantra V Werks as well... Oh well. The Blaze is probably a just as good a ski for most people at half the cost
The word at the shop is that this season's M series skis were softened up a bit.
Another set of skis getting softer for the masses. Glad I got in on them when I did.
Soft means nothing. Blackops are soft, they are still quite demanding and a hanfdul. If a ski can be easier to use and not trade off performance why whinge about it? Save final judgment for after some runs on them.
Blaze 106 with Alpinists, Trab Vario or a good ATK might be a very good touring option for my needs. Wish I could try a pair.Quote:
Originally Posted by kid-kapow