The Official Argue About Where Upstate NY Is Thread

Benny, you should check out the rail trail from Tetonia to Ashton. Possibly the most scenic rail trail in the country.

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Originally Posted by Benny Profane

They renovated the old railroad bridge that towers over the Hudson at Poughkeepsie and made it the centerpiece of a rail trail that extends about 12 miles on either side of the river. It's a huge hit with the public. Probably one of the nicest rail trails in the country.

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My parents love that. I am rarely there during the summer, but I have biked on it before. My dad can basically go from our house to the Gold's in Lagrange on his bike. If he was still teaching at Vassar it would have made for an easier bike commute.

The area near the Hudson in Poughkeepsie has gotten a whole lot better. The civic leaders have realized (took them fucking long enough) that the Hudson is one of the really great features of the area and that they should clean up the waterfront. Years ago the park right down by the river was a good place for high school kids to buy bad weed, not that I would know :), when Arlington and Spackenkill high schools were dry. I actually knew a couple of kids who got robbed at gunpoint going down there. They have really tried to make the area much better and take advantage of the Hudson. The rail trail is really cool.

In the mid-80's there was a mall on route 9 called the South Hills Mall. One of the big development companies came in and offered to build the Poughkeepsie Galleria about half a mile north, on a beautiful bluff overlooking the Hudson. The more sensible in the community wanted to make the area a park, but there was a push for a fancier mall with fancier anchor stores, similar to what can be found in Westchester. My dad actually worked with some of the economists analyzing the project, they were friends of his so he helped them out even though he was not officially part of it. They came to the conclusion that the area simply did not have close to the economic power to support those stores, and that what would end up happening was that the fancy anchor stores would leave, the South Coast Mall would be destroyed, and the Galleria would end up being essentially the same as the South Hills. This was not a popular opinion, the economists were looked at as ivory tower elites from Vassar who didn't know anything about the real world by the mostly blue collar community. They were not happy to be told that they didn't have the money to support G. Fox and Filene's and whatever the other anchor stores were. The Galleria ended up going in, and one by the fancy anchors left, the South Coast was destroyed, and they essentially duplicated what they already had. As the South Coast Mall had once killed the Main Mall in downtown Poughkeepsie, the Galleria killed the South Coast. It really is a shame, the area would have made a great park.

Downtown Poughkeepsie has actually gotten (somewhat) better. One of my favorite restaurants was there for a number of years, the Artist's Palate, unfortunately it recently closed. I'm hoping the chefs do something else in the area, it was always one of the highlights of going home for the holidays.

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Originally Posted by Long duc dong

My parents love that. I am rarely there during the summer, but I have biked on it before. My dad can basically go from our house to the Gold's in Lagrange on his bike. If he was still teaching at Vassar it would have made for an easier bike commute.

The area near the Hudson in Poughkeepsie has gotten a whole lot better. The civic leaders have realized (took them fucking long enough) that the Hudson is one of the really great features of the area and that they should clean up the waterfront. Years ago the park right down by the river was a good place for high school kids to buy bad weed, not that I would know :), when Arlington and Spackenkill high schools were dry. I actually knew a couple of kids who got robbed at gunpoint going down there. They have really tried to make the area much better and take advantage of the Hudson. The rail trail is really cool.

In the mid-80's there was a mall on route 9 called the South Hills Mall. One of the big development companies came in and offered to build the Poughkeepsie Galleria about half a mile north, on a beautiful bluff overlooking the Hudson. The more sensible in the community wanted to make the area a park, but there was a push for a fancier mall with fancier anchor stores, similar to what can be found in Westchester. My dad actually worked with some of the economists analyzing the project, they were friends of his so he helped them out even though he was not officially part of it. They came to the conclusion that the area simply did not have close to the economic power to support those stores, and that what would end up happening was that the fancy anchor stores would leave, the South Coast Mall would be destroyed, and the Galleria would end up being essentially the same as the South Hills. This was not a popular opinion, the economists were looked at as ivory tower elites from Vassar who didn't know anything about the real world by the mostly blue collar community. They were not happy to be told that they didn't have the money to support G. Fox and Filene's and whatever the other anchor stores were. The Galleria ended up going in, and one by the fancy anchors left, the South Coast was destroyed, and they essentially duplicated what they already had. As the South Coast Mall had once killed the Main Mall in downtown Poughkeepsie, the Galleria killed the South Coast. It really is a shame, the area would have made a great park.

Downtown Poughkeepsie has actually gotten (somewhat) better. One of my favorite restaurants was there for a number of years, the Artist's Palate, unfortunately it recently closed. I'm hoping the chefs do something else in the area, it was always one of the highlights of going home for the holidays.

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Dong. Dong. Where is my aut-toe-mo-beelll?

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Originally Posted by riser3

Dong. Dong. Where is my aut-toe-mo-beelll?

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Lake.....big lake.

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I had crawdads at Spanky's once.

once poughkeepsie got a skate park it really started to take off.

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Originally Posted by Timberridge

Hold on a bloody minute. You left for greener pastures upstate, and I see plenty of VT plates at the Price Chopper in Granville, NY. And there's a steady stream of VT plates heading home on 7 from Albany at 5 pm on workdays.

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the entire town of Rupert could shop at the Price Chopper in Green-witch, NY and it wouldn’t put a dent in ‘most of So VT’.

Retired So VT’ers cross to Albany for the airport or to visit their adult children who still live in the metro area, but not because they can find a better entree in Schaghticoke.

I can't think of much good food from the 80s in syracuse. The one thing I did love was Sals Birdland, not traditional Buffalo wings but damn good. Of course you have to not get grossed out on the occasional feather and the fact that the sassy sauce would eat through the Styrofoam container.
https://salsbirdland.com/#

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Originally Posted by Flounder

I can't think of much good food from the 80s in syracuse. The one thing I did love was Sals Birdland, not traditional Buffalo wings but damn good. Of course you have to not get grossed out on the occasional feather and the fact that the sassy sauce would eat through the Styrofoam container.
https://salsbirdland.com/#

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Hmm, the ‘80’s.
There were some good joints on Westcott, Acropolis and Munjed’s.
Johnny’s Pizza in Julian Plaza was hands down my favorite Pizza.
Juanita’s Mexican in N. Syracuse was pretty good.
Pastabilities was all the rage.
D’Angelos and the Celebrity Den for eye-Talian.
There were some ‘decent’ Irish restaurants near Tip Hill.
Pickles was a great sandwich joint.
Don’t remember when Dinosaur BBQ opened up, (googled it, ‘88) but that was/is great from the ‘90’s and on.

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Originally Posted by rideit

Pastabilities was all the rage

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Ha. Forgot about that place. All the rage but still pretty meh. Acropolis was good, I'll give you that. Used to hit Ichibans for sushi now and again, had some roommates that loved it.

For the most part I was a broke college punk so eating out wasn't really my thing. Bars were a different story. Still have my t shirt for completing the Shifty's world tour of beers. Also remember the worst one on the list, 3 Horse Beer. Tasted like 3 horses pissed in a bottle. Fuck Madagascar.

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Originally Posted by Peruvian

the entire town of Rupert could shop at the Price Chopper in Green-witch, NY and it wouldn’t put a dent in ‘most of So VT’.

Retired So VT’ers cross to Albany for the airport or to visit their adult children who still live in the metro area, but not because they can find a better entree in Schaghticoke.

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what about west rupert?

They go to Salem, in NY.

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Originally Posted by DBdude

what about west rupert?

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They shop at Hannaford.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KbTydULt8E

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Originally Posted by riser3

Dong. Dong. Where is my aut-toe-mo-beelll?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fjh3TxOHCxE

Why you little scuzzbag!

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Originally Posted by riser3

I had crawdads at Spanky's once.

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I used to love both Spanky's.

I went to Farmers and Chefs last time I was home, which is close to that area. Highly recommended if any of you visit the jewel of Dutchess County.

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Originally Posted by rideit

Benny, you should check out the rail trail from Tetonia to Ashton. Possibly the most scenic rail trail in the country.

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Don't miss: https://www.ridethehiawatha.com/

And, I grew up in Peekskill and commuted to the Bronx every day for high school. It's in the schizophrenic zone. I'd either express bus to White Plains and get off the train at the botanical gardens, or train to 125th street and come up to Fordham, or to get home take the MTA to Marble Hill and hike 2 miles home. I can't tell you how many thousands of hours I spent on those lines or how many nights I slept in Grand Central.

Train Time. The rest of America doesn't know.

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Originally Posted by riser3

Why you little scuzzbag!

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Well you don't spell it son, you eat it!

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Originally Posted by Benny Profane

Train Time. The rest of America doesn't know.

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The Bar Car. The rest of America doesn’t know.

on metro north and lirr you can drink from your own can. even better!

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Originally Posted by rideit

The Bar Car. The rest of America doesn’t know.

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Thing of the past, unfortunately. Grab a tall boy or mixed drink at a stand at GCT. Two if above White Plains.

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Originally Posted by Benny Profane

Thing of the past, unfortunately. Grab a tall boy or mixed drink at a stand at GCT. Two if above White Plains.

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This. The amount of paper bags left every night could light the empire state building.

Goddamit! This is some fakenews right here.

https://www.newyorkupstate.com/news/...ronavirus.html

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Originally Posted by MakersTeleMark

Don't miss: https://www.ridethehiawatha.com/

And, I grew up in Peekskill and commuted to the Bronx every day for high school. It's in the schizophrenic zone. I'd either express bus to White Plains and get off the train at the botanical gardens, or train to 125th street and come up to Fordham, or to get home take the MTA to Marble Hill and hike 2 miles home. I can't tell you how many thousands of hours I spent on those lines or how many nights I slept in Grand Central.

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Fordham Prep?


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Originally Posted by huckbucket

Goddamit! This is some fakenews right here.

https://www.newyorkupstate.com/news/...ronavirus.html

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What the hell?

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What the hell?

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Right. E'RYTHING is upstate and they outted the ROC. That's a double whammie.

"Rchstr". Natives say the name without using vowels. Home of the White Hot.

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This is what happens when you base lists on stats instead of visiting them.

Or considering things like sunshine. Or culture. Or jobs. Or fistfights.

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Goddamit! This is some fakenews right here.

https://www.newyorkupstate.com/news/...ronavirus.html

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This is what happens when you base lists on stats instead of visiting them.

Or considering things like sunshine. Or culture. Or jobs. Or fistfights.

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Right. Plus there’s nothing like half your working age adults fleeing to SC to help bring down those population density and housing numbers

I think that maybe you're missing the "Post Corona apocalypse" that was factored with ROC into the study. I grew up in Seabreeze in the 60's and lived in the ROC burbs for 50 years. Most of the 40someting's that I still know there are killin it now. My 4 br house on 5 acres went to a drone pilot for $200k. I was happy. He made out. So I'm biased

It's not surprising that you managed to end up in one of the few places in the country where the weather is even shittier and more depressing than upstate New York. :biggrin:

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Originally Posted by wooley12

...I grew up in Seabreeze in the 60's.

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Seems like maybe that place should have been named Lakebreeze. https://www.google.com/maps/place/Se...!4d-77.5423996

Always good HS lacrosse in Irondequoit though, so they have that going for them. Which is nice.

Irondequoit HS was always a powerhouse. Played against them when I went to the HS that was on the blue collar side of town. Wood sticks, leather helmets and arm guards were for sissies. IHS and the Whipple Boys crushed us. We were the Bad News Bears without skills.

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It's not surprising that you managed to end up in one of the few places in the country where the weather is even shittier and more depressing than upstate New York. :biggrin:

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That's right man ... feed the stereotype. The weather sucks here. Just got off the lake.

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Fordham Prep?


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yep.

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Originally Posted by Brownski

You guys may have stumbled onto a good metric for where upstate starts. If you can find decent pizza, you’re downstate. I don’t think it changes the borders much.

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I call BS on the can't find good pizza upstate trope. All along the Mohawk river/Erie canal there is good pizza. A great variety as well. Go to Lockport and try Pizza Oven and Davidson Road Inn (formerly Pontillo's) for two good pizza joints in one small city. All the communities along the canal were predominantly irish and Italian.

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Originally Posted by BC13

I call BS on the can't find good pizza upstate trope. All along the Mohawk river/Erie canal there is good pizza. A great variety as well. Go to Lockport and try Pizza Oven and Davidson Road Inn (formerly Pontillo's) for two good pizza joints in one small city. All the communities along the canal were predominantly irish and Italian.

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Hey, if you like it that’s great. Don’t let me spoil it for you.