Official ATK Binding Thread

If you have partners with dynafits you might want a torx bit (don't remember the size) and any bits you might use on boots (hex frequently).

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Originally Posted by galibier_numero_un

Indeed! Posi-drive is so much more ... positive :cool:

This should probably go in the stuff you put in your pack thread. I've been re-thinking my touring tool kit and picked this up.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I have a standard Posi #3 for the home shop, and you should be able to find them pretty easily as well.

The jury is still out on this screwdriver for my pack. I wanted slightly longer bits than those on the BD but not this long. The BD started spitting the bits out (good luck, finding those small bits in the snow) . This one is only 22g heavier than the BD (136 vs. 114g). I'm conflicted. The BD's T-handle seems like a good idea for a field screwdriver (although not so good for in the field length adjustment). Pluses and minuses as usual. On the other hand, I don't like the idea of the click-stop ratchet on the BD (possible point of failure).

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... Thom

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Awaiting one of these:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...ls-at-45-grams

I’ll add a Pozi #3 bit.

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Originally Posted by CaliBrit

Awaiting one of these:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...ls-at-45-grams

I’ll add a Pozi #3 bit.

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That is an exciting innovation, but the price is crazy

Agree its pricy, but its Its pb swiss and its at least 10x nicer than pot metal Park tool stuff.

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Originally Posted by CaliBrit

Awaiting one of these:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...ls-at-45-grams

I’ll add a Pozi #3 bit.

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G3 has something similar

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Originally Posted by Spyderjon

IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT:

New toe mounting pattern for Freeraider 14, C-Raider 12, Raider 12, Raider 10 Release 10, Front 10 & Candy 5 bindings

ATK have just advised me that they have a patent issue with their current binding mounting pattern in the above models so are having to change it. The new toe patterns for these bindings will see the front toe hole locations narrowing from 45mm centres to 30mm centres. The rear toe holes and the heel holes are unchanged. This means that the new toes will use the P1-P1-H1-H1 locations on the M06 jig. The new models will have an X prefix on the model number to identify them plus a large warning sticker on the box. Anyone that has an M07 jig won't have these new holes so they can return their jig to their distributor and exchange it for the latest M06 jig for only a small upcharge charge.

However, it's unlikely that any of these new pattern bindings will be available before the 21/22 season so there's no need to panic!!
To be honest it'd be better if they'd not said anything until the end of the season as it'll only cause confusion.

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oh, for feks sake.

Whatever company that is pursuing this patent infringement needs to be called out for it and get their proper amount of negative brand association.

The idiotic part is that I kind of can understand how this patent would make sense if the torsional rigidity of a touring ski was reinforced by a wide mounting pattern, but still - this is bs as if that was the case the patent would for all practical purposes be non-applicable when mounted on regular resort layups.

I do seem to recall Fritschi being under the same constraint in Italy, meaning they just did not sell their bindings there or some such.

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Originally Posted by Westcoaster

Agree its pricy, but its Its pb swiss and its at least 10x nicer than pot metal Park tool stuff.

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Yeah PB Swiss is buy it for life quality.

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Originally Posted by Benneke10

Do you carry any bits besides the PZ-3 out into the field with you? If so why?

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My skis with inserts have standard Phillips screws. I'm I the fence about carrying the middle one.

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Originally Posted by I've seen black diamonds!

If you have partners with dynafits you might want a torx bit (don't remember the size) and any bits you might use on boots (hex frequently)

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It might be time to start hunting down shorter bits (boots, etc).

... Thom

McMaster has all the bits in different lengths for cheap but no free shipping

Apologies if this has been covered, but will Dynafit crampons work with ATK bindings?

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Originally Posted by Greydon Clark

Apologies if this has been covered, but will Dynafit crampons work with ATK bindings?

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Yes

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Originally Posted by Greydon Clark

Apologies if this has been covered, but will Dynafit crampons work with ATK bindings?

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Yeah, and also the black diamond ones (which are just painted ATK).

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Originally Posted by carlh

McMaster has all the bits in different lengths for cheap but no free shipping

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Thanks. I always think about them for fasteners, but forget about them for tools.

... Thom

Anyone here know what the difference is in ATK jigs between M05 vs M06?
I have the M05, but looks exactly like the pictures of the M06.
(Although my M05 also comes with a swap-in heel plate for E & F.)
I also have a more basic ATK one-piece jig for race bindings, i.e., mount and install the toe first, then base the heel position off of the boot held in only by the toe.

As for driver heads, if we're talking about the fore/aft adjustment, that has always seemed to work better with ph rather than pz.

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Originally Posted by Jonathan S.

Anyone here know what the difference is in ATK jigs between M05 vs M06?
I have the M05, but looks exactly like the pictures of the M06.
(Although my M05 also comes with a swap-in heel plate for E & F.)
I also have a more basic ATK one-piece jig for race bindings, i.e., mount and install the toe first, then base the heel position off of the boot held in only by the toe.

As for driver heads, if we're talking about the fore/aft adjustment, that has always seemed to work better with ph rather than pz.

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M06 includes the mounting pattern for the new (now discontinued) carbon toe found in the C14 and the release10. M05 does not have that pattern.

M07 is apparently already designed and shipping, and it does not include the carbon toe mount pattern.

There may be other differences that I'm not aware of.

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Originally Posted by Jonathan S.

Anyone here know what the difference is in ATK jigs between M05 vs M06?
I have the M05, but looks exactly like the pictures of the M06.
(Although my M05 also comes with a swap-in heel plate for E & F.)
I also have a more basic ATK one-piece jig for race bindings, i.e., mount and install the toe first, then base the heel position off of the boot held in only by the toe.

As for driver heads, if we're talking about the fore/aft adjustment, that has always seemed to work better with ph rather than pz.

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Don’t think you can mount FR14 or R12 with M05.

What hardware are people using to mount shimmed new freeraider toes? The atk hardware looks to be unique, just want to make sure a skimo.co or similar head chamfer is same as the atk stock hardware.

Same vein, anyone mount freeraiders/ATKs in general with inserts? Hardware choice?

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Originally Posted by Westcoaster

What hardware are people using to mount shimmed new freeraider toes? The atk hardware looks to be unique, just want to make sure a skimo.co or similar head chamfer is same as the atk stock hardware.

Same vein, anyone mount freeraiders/ATKs in general with inserts? Hardware choice?

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I got screws from Spyderjon for my shimmed Crest toes. You may be able to use screws from B&D made for shimmed Dynafit toes

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Originally Posted by Benneke10

I got screws from Spyderjon for my shimmed Crest toes. You may be able to use screws from B&D made for shimmed Dynafit toes

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Yeah, ya have to grind down the circumference on the low head / pan head screws. I never tried to source any and went straight to the grinder.

... Thom

If it's pan heads you're grinding down just make the heads don't get too hot as they can soften. I turn mine down to size.

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Originally Posted by Spyderjon

If it's pan heads you're grinding down just make the heads don't get too hot as they can soften. I turn mine down to size.

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^^^ nice (a man with a lathe) ^^^

Thanks! I keep them relatively cool.

... Thom

Has anyone tried the Moment Voyager XIV version of the ATK FR14?

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Originally Posted by winstwu

Has anyone tried the Moment Voyager XIV version of the ATK FR14?

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I’m mounting my Voyagers on Billy Goat Tours tonight, and will get them on snow soon, low tide be damned. Will report back soon.

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Originally Posted by MegaStoke

I’m mounting my Voyagers on Billy Goat Tours tonight, and will get them on snow soon, low tide be damned. Will report back soon.

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Lemme know how you like em, thinking about a similar setup in the near future.

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Originally Posted by galibier_numero_un

The jury is still out on this screwdriver for my pack. I wanted slightly longer bits than those on the BD but not this long. The BD started spitting the bits out (good luck, finding those small bits in the snow) . This one is only 22g heavier than the BD (136 vs. 114g). I'm conflicted. The BD's T-handle seems like a good idea for a field screwdriver (although not so good for in the field length adjustment). Pluses and minuses as usual. On the other hand, I don't like the idea of the click-stop ratchet on the BD (possible point of failure).

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The BD T-Handle is a great idea, but if you're taking about the one with the plastic handle, I'd avoid. The threads on the cap that houses the bits is super cheap and given to twisting over itself. Useless. Haven't had any problems with the ratchet.

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Most TGR touring setup there is. First outing Tuesday just a quick skin up the hill.

The ATK jig is just bomber. No messing around with aligning toes and heel etc.

Clamp it on, drill 8 holes, heel fittings align perfectly with pins.

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Originally Posted by CaliBrit

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Most TGR touring setup there is. First outing Tuesday just a quick skin up the hill.

The ATK jig is just bomber. No messing around with aligning toes and heel etc.

Clamp it on, drill 8 holes, heel fittings align perfectly with pins.

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That's a great looking setup! Well done!

I'm just waiting on my ATK jig and then I will mount my BMT 94s with atks as well. Not as steezy of a color combination, but I'm still really stoked for it.

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Originally Posted by CaliBrit

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Most TGR touring setup there is. First outing Tuesday just a quick skin up the hill.

The ATK jig is just bomber. No messing around with aligning toes and heel etc.

Clamp it on, drill 8 holes, heel fittings align perfectly with pins.

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Yasss

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Originally Posted by CaliBrit

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Most TGR touring setup there is. First outing Tuesday just a quick skin up the hill.

The ATK jig is just bomber. No messing around with aligning toes and heel etc.

Clamp it on, drill 8 holes, heel fittings align perfectly with pins.

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sick pliers!

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Originally Posted by Eluder

sick pliers!

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Minor brake stretch....

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Originally Posted by CaliBrit

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looks great!
I'm going to mount FR14 on Katana V-werks, too.
Which brakes have you selected for 112mm skis, 108 or 120?
Where have you mount them, on the line? -2cm?

I mounted mine at+1.5 and i like the way they ski.

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I have almost the same pair, 2017 VW Katana with silver 2020 R12 :)
Mounted at +1.5 and used 108mm stoppers, it required some bending though, but I was afraid 120mm would be too large.
I have a second pair mounted at +2.3 with shifts, honestly I can’t feel a lot of difference. Never tried on the line ...

How much does the brake track (like the BD Helio-branded one https://www.blackdiamondequipment.co...01662_cfg.html ) raise the binding? Same as the standard heel adjustment track, so 5mm?

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Originally Posted by j0z77

looks great!
I'm going to mount FR14 on Katana V-werks, too.
Which brakes have you selected for 112mm skis, 108 or 120?
Where have you mount them, on the line? -2cm?

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Mounted on the line as I prefer more traditional mounts. And this is a little shorter ski than I ski in resort.

108mm brakes needed just the tiniest tweak. I’d not go to 120mm.

Anyone try to run the FR14s brakeless? I dont really care for brakes on touring skis, and it appears they come off quite easily, but there will be a funny gap between the Freeride spacer left right interface. I believe the C-Raider or whatever heel that ATK sells brakeless has an injection molded blank that replaces the brake heel pad, would be awesome to be able to source that separately...

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Originally Posted by CaliBrit

Most TGR touring setup there is. First outing Tuesday just a quick skin up the hill.

The ATK jig is just bomber. No messing around with aligning toes and heel etc.

Clamp it on, drill 8 holes, heel fittings align perfectly with pins.

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Where'd you buy the jig? Nice looking rig.

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Originally Posted by hafjell

Where'd you buy the jig? Nice looking rig.

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https://www.haganskimountaineering.c...hoChxkQAvD_BwE

is the cheapest I've found the ATK jig. It's spendy, but is the best jig I've ever used by a large margin.

Moment also has them, for a few bucks more. Might need to call them to buy it.

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Originally Posted by MegaStoke

https://www.haganskimountaineering.c...hoChxkQAvD_BwE

is the cheapest I've found the ATK jig. It's spendy, but is the best jig I've ever used by a large margin.

Moment also has them, for a few bucks more. Might need to call them to buy it.

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Yup here.

It’s what every tech binding jig should be.

are you guys buying the jig to just mount a pair here and there? the template works well and is free...