Thats not an SBE II its a Super Nova,
Its great, its my buddies. My Nova is lookers right.
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Thats not an SBE II its a Super Nova,
Its great, its my buddies. My Nova is lookers right.
^^^ Second shotgun on the left looks dead ringer for a SBE II. Huh...maybe just that same stock.
I have a older Nova too and love it.
Yeah, the stock and trigger guard are very similar, his has the action closed, while ours are open, which may have thrown you off.
And here it how the assult weapons ban starts-
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/firs...l-assault-ban/
Any centerfire weapon with a rifled bore over .50" is a Destructive Device and needs a $200 tax stamp when you buy it.
A DU .50BMG bullet would have good sectional density, for sure, and would likely remain supersonic out to 2000 yards or more. But why not just get a .408 Cheytac that does the same thing for less cost?
makes me ill, even though i have plenty of firearms that will be "banned". it's illegal for citizens to own or posses guns in mexico, but maybe these drug cartels will obey our laws? coke and pot are illegal in the states, but our laws don't seem to stem the flow of narcotics north from mexico. and now the media is starting to demonize .50 cal rifles as if that's the super-scary evil weapon of choice for these thugs. christ, do you know how hard it is to lug one of those around tucked in your pants?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stone-Free
simple solution: arm the citizens of mexico, they could use the 2nd A there.... oh, and decriminalize weed of course.
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Originally Posted by Stone-Free
Yep. Gotta think of the children. Nothing like people cheering as their liberties are taken away. I mean - who cares as long as we're protected from hurricanes and Anton Chigurh?
just put 100 rounds of .22LR high velocity through a pair of marker bindings.:biggrin:
mounted on some old k2's.
that is all
Worthless without pictures! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Skipig25
I know, I know.
we threw it away, then I was like "fuck, I needed to post that on TGR!"
will do it again tomorrow or the next day and take pictures.
Also, you guys know that "does it blend" series for the magic bullet blender or whatever? well my roommate has a videocam, and we were thinking of doing a "does it withstand multiple .22 rounds from inside 100 yards" clip, just because I have so much free time right now.
So I will be taking suggestions for interesting things you would like to see shot, provided that I can get them relatively cheap, so I don't care about blowing them to pieces.
Drug cartels regularly smuggle TONS OF COCAINE into and through Mexico. Who thinks it's difficult for them to add some AKs to the shipment?
And if semiautomatic weapons are so terrible, why aren't they used to commit crimes here in the USA? How come thousands of people are killed with them in Mexico, where semiautos are uncommon and illegal, but so few are killed here in the USA where there are literally MILLIONS of semiautomatic rifles?
Hint: it's because Mexico's government is CORRUPT at every level, which makes the country a VIOLENT SHITHOLE -- while America still has a partially functioning government and society.
Eric Holder should go run for AG of Mexico if he wants to clean up Mexico. Do you think he'd last more than two weeks before being assassinated?
Fortunately, even Nancy Pelosi is smart enough to tell Holder to pound sand, because she knows what happened when the AWB passed in 1994 -- Democrats immediately lost the House and the Senate. What I bet will happen instead is that Holder will start banning imported ammunition, which will drive the price up so far that people simply can't afford to shoot anymore.
In other news:
Dozens of Democratic Congresscritters said STFU to the executive branch trying to resurrect the Assault Weapons Ban:
http://www.nraila.org/media/PDFs/AWB...oHolder309.pdf
The grassroots efforts got the .mil surplus brass destruction decision reversed:
http://www.examiner.com/x-1417-Gun-R...licy-rescinded
And the bills to move CCW forward in IL and CA at least aren't dead yet. Shit, another few Democratic majorities and we might get new machineguns legalized again and silencers reclassified as Title I. :biggrin::biggrin:
The letter is very well written. 65 Democrats in the House just told Holder to take a hike and STFU about new gun control.Quote:
Originally Posted by coreshot-tourettes
http://www.gangsterbb.net/emoticons/clap.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by Summit
Nothing can protect you from the suppressed shotgun.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smokey McPole
where the fuck were you people when most of the protections of the other items in the bill of rights were taken away? why the hell is the 2nd amendment the only one you fucks hold sacred? dont you realize that allowing bush/cheney et. al. destroy the bill of rights only provides the dems the power to finish the job???
While many describe the 2nd as one right to protect all the others...Quote:
Originally Posted by fez
You are a frigging idiot. Many of us were really pissed off about what the W admin did. And the Clinton admin before him...
Our freedoms have been eroding on all fronts ever since I started watching because too many people aren't paying attention or have drank the "we must be 'safe' at all costs" koolaid. The majority of Democrats and Republicans both want to take our rights away, but they sometimes disagree on which rights to focus on stealing. These statists have been moving us towards a nanny state every year.
im sorry, but you;re the idiot.
we dont have freedom, we have liberty. from liberty, freedom is derived. it is our liberty that is being emasculated. i realize the difference between liberty and freedom is a subtle one, but until you can understand the difference and use the terms appropriately, you have little business calling anyone an idiot.
if you think semantics is the way to win this fight... you are sorely mistaken... if you can't take the meaning from any statement otherwise... that is sadQuote:
Originally Posted by fez
if you think the difference between freedom and liberty is semantics, you're the one who is sorely mistaken.
idiot.
you: "you guys don't care about any rights except gunzzzzz!!!1111 W is teh devilz!!!!!"
me: "the 2nd is one right we care about. freedom is being eroded. this is a nonpartisan issue in the traditional sense. all our rights are under threat."
you: "we don't have freedom, we have liberty!"
me: "way to keep the discussion on track and relevant!"
you: "go read a dictionary!"
who is the idiot here?
I think you are having an emotional problem with the fact that gun rights supporters can hate bush and that Democrats can support 2A.
you are.
all i want to know is why is the 2nd amendment the only one so-called 'conservatives' seem to care about?
if the second amendment is the one to protect the others, what did it do to protect the rest of them from bush/cheney?
Fez, I'm not a conservative. And I've been against torture, against speech restrictions, against warrantless wiretapping, against war, and for gay marriage from the beginning. Perhaps, fez, if you joined us agitating for gun rights you would probably gain understanding and a few allies.
And the reason 100 million gun owners haven't marched on Washington is, of course, that gun owners are as a whole pretty practical and conflict avoidant people who know that words should be tried first before violent action. Soap box, ballot box, jury box, THEN ammo box. If we thought like you and jumped straight to the ammo box, we'd discredit ourselves and our peaceful nature. I abhor people that say things like "Well, why aren't you people using your 2nd Amendment rights to defend my 1st Amendment rights?!?" as if the first reaction to someone being put in a "free speech zone" is immediately to start shooting. How utterly immature. Have some fucking patience for the political process to work, we gunnies are more your allies than you think.
As an aside, I would love to see openly carrying a holstered, visible, and loaded pistol classified as "free speech". :)
Liberty (with a capital L) is a concept personified as a woman, so emasculating her would be difficult. Emasculating 'liberty' the concept is impossible. Even if it was possible the way you've used it that sentence still makes no sense. Seems pretty idiotic to me. Maybe you meant 'immaciated'.Quote:
Originally Posted by fez
Either way freedom is derived from liberty, liberty is the freedom to do things. They are essentually synoyms given as 'liberty' is derived from the latin 'liber' meaning (guess what) 'free'. It's a subtle point but I hope it clears things up for you.
i never for a second said i was against gun rights. i do think there need to be some restrictions on guns and there are some really bad gun laws proposed in various state legislatures right now, but as far as the second amendment is concerned, i dont have a problem with it.
all i want to know is why does the right get it's panties in a knot when anyone tries to put any sort of restrictions on gun ownership while keeping nearly silent when any other portions of the bill of rights is assailed. in the name of 'safety', we've had our bill of rights trampled and all the republicans care about any more is guns and abortion.
Again, you are over simplifying this in an emotional response. It is the same as asking "why is socialism all 'liberals' seem to care about?"Quote:
Originally Posted by fez
While more 2A supporters may be on the "conservative" side, there are lots of anti-2A Republicans. McCain was. Once he said "if you want to use guns, join the military." There are also lots of pro-2A Democrats.
Lot's of GOP voters did NOT approve of how the W admin did with the erosion of rights. If you read pro-gun forums, you would have seen the outcry over things like the Patriot Act. And that is what my post tried to say: I am disgusted with both parties eroding all rights.
I'm more Libertarian than Dem or GOP. I voted for McCain. I didn't want McCain to be president. I knew Obama would win CO. I wanted to decrease the spread to decrease the sense of mandate the winning party had. (Of course, the TOTAL absence of spread didn't stop the W admin from acting like they had a mandate...).
The BoR doesn't grant rights. We already had them. It just dictates what the government may not restrict. With respect to preservation of rights and prevention of tyranny, the 2A was meant as a last resort as well as a constant deterrent. Indirectly, the 2A is meant to ensure that the adage "the government should fear the people. The people should not fear the government" stays true. Unfortunately it is trending towards that.Quote:
if the second amendment is the one to protect the others, what did it do to protect the rest of them from bush/cheney?
Another adage: "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
Unless you were ready to have an armed rebellion, the 2A wasn't going to stop W directly, but rather temper him while the other boxes did their jobs. The framers made sure that violence was to be last as the other amendments must be exhausted first.
Look at what amendment serves what method of preserving our rights:
Always there: 3A, 4A, 9A, 10A, (13A), (14A)
Soap box: 1A
Ballot box: (12A), (15A), (17A), (19A), (23A), (24A), (26A)
Jury box: 5A, 6A, 7A, 8A, (14A)
Ammo box: 2A
Of course, 2A serves more purpose that simply deterring tyranny, but in the framing of your discussion, I am most glad that we did not have to use 2A to commit violence against our own countrymen. Hopefully it never comes to that. Indeed, we were able to use the soap, ballot, and jury boxes to stop much of W's agenda and eventually his team got the boot. Unfortunately the replacement just wants to take away different rights, but that could describe any candidate.
nice try, but fail.Quote:
Originally Posted by brotherofedg
the subtle point is that freedom and liberty are separate concepts and not essentially synonyms. the neo-cons have tried to make them synonyms, but that is not the case.
as paul hartman said
"Freedom is the exemption from control by some other person, or from arbitrary restriction of specific defined rights like Worship, or Speech. Liberty is the sum of the rights possessed in common by the people of a community/state/nation as they apply to its government, and/or the expectation that a nation's people have of exemption from control by a foreign power.
Freedoms are things that people EXTRACT from their government; Liberty is less derivative, more formative; a thing GRANTED by the people to the people in common. The ability to Assemble, for instance, while commonly thought of as a freedom, is really an aspect of liberty.
Freedoms end when they encounter a contrary freedom of another person. You are free to smoke, until you encounter my freedom not to inhale your smoke. Liberty lacks that distinction: my liberty never contradicts or limits yours."
you're right however, i did need to clarify my statement a little better. how about this:
our liberties are being threatened by the emasculation of the bill of rights.
while technically and literally that would be an illogical anthropomorphism of the bill of rights, the word emasculation has come to have a metaphorical meaning beyond it's literal definition.
What restrictions do you favor?Quote:
Originally Posted by fez
Because they're not concerned about freedom any more than the left is. Freedom means being OK with other women getting abortions, other men fucking each other in the ass, AND other people owning capable small arms like semi-auto versions of assault rifles with full capacity 30 round magazines.Quote:
all i want to know is why does the right get it's panties in a knot when anyone tries to put any sort of restrictions on gun ownership while keeping nearly silent when any other portions of the bill of rights is assailed.
Rookie error there fella. You and your retard source have confused positive and negative rights (the two concepts of liberty) with two distinct conepts which you've labelled 'liberty' and 'freedom'. It's an easy mistake to make, try reading Isiah Berlin's The Two Concepts of Liberty and things will be much clearer.Quote:
Originally Posted by fez
I'm not going to go back over why they're synonomous, you can get a dictionary out and see for yourself. The Romans had a word for freedom, the Fench took it and so did we it's just we already had a germanic one (frei). It' the way words work. Deal with it.
As for illogical anthropomorphism I don't see it as illogical to personify the bill of rights. That's not what you were doing, you were personfiying Liberty, something regularly done and allways a girl. Emasculate is a metaphorical term and it does not mean what you were trying to say.
So to sum up, A- for effort (could have tried harder with the source) but for content a most epic fail.
Where was I? I was here, being told I was paranoid and anti-American when I posted about the Bush administration's torture, warrantless wiretapping, starting a war based on known lies, Soviet-style destruction of science in the name of politics, and probable foreknowledge of 9/11.Quote:
Originally Posted by fez
Just for starters:
http://tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55667
http://tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=130762
http://tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89519
http://tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=108417
http://tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21493
Where were you?
oh and by the way. What I meant to say before getting caught up in your pseudo intellectual posturing was surely you can make a new thread for this? This thread was meant to be about cool pics and gun stoke, at least respect that rather than cunting it up with stuff that would get a C at most in a freshman politcal thought class.
HEY FEZQuote:
Originally Posted by brotherofedg
New Thread Here:
http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s....php?p=2314706
You are a moron. You FAIL at life.Quote:
Originally Posted by fez
Why don't you go post on somebody's heli-skiing TR about how they shouldn't be risking thier lives skiing in avalanche terrain or how helis pollute the ecosystem and conrtribute to GLOBAL WARMINGS!!!?
Seriously - you are a loser.
Oh, but thanks for the heads up on Bush/Cheney Captain Obvious.
:rolleyes:
goddamn you're one dumb mutherfucker..
Don´t cunt up the gun stoke thread! Make your own fucking thread in the otherwise useless Political Asshattery.
Original Cadillac Gauge Stoner 63A
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...g?t=1237513686
Anybody shoot something like this?:eek:
I hope it's not a repost:(
YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG. JONGs at a firing range. One of my favorite things to watch.....on video. Lean into it you fucking pussies. That's a funny video. I've never seen that much of it.
I bet you that thing would kick the fuck outta you too... not all of those guys were JONGS. Lotsa dislocated shoulders and possible broken collarbones in that vid. The one Arab guy who holds it with the stock's point against his clavicle is painful to watch.Quote:
The .577 Tyrannosaur or .577 T-rex is a cartridge developed by A-Square in 1993 for the hunting of large game in Africa. The .577 contains a .585-inch (14.9 mm) diameter 750-grain (49 g) Monolithic Solid Projectile which when fired moves at 2,460 ft/s (750 m/s) producing 10,180 foot-pounds force (13,800 J) of energy.[1]
Good grief! I had only seen a clip of one of those guys.
That gun, with the right load, develops more than 10,000 ft-lb of energy.:eek:
That thing isn't a rifle. It's a cannon with a butt plate.
Edit: Tippster beat me to it.
I never said it wouldn't kick my ass. However, touching off a round from a rifle that generates recoil that you are obviously not prepared for while using bad form, then either dropping the rifle or falling down, all the while being totally unable to control where the muzzle is pointing = JONG. The last guy in the video was obviously not a JONG.
That rifle would kick the shit out of me, no doubt, but I wouldn't drop it or point it in an unsafe direction. I'm not totally unfamiliar with Mongo sized rifles, although I've never fired the 557 T-Rex. I also probably wouldn't fire more than one round. Once bitten....