MLB 2024 Thread

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Originally Posted by irul&ublo

River Cats stadium holds about 14,000. Which is more than 3x what Oakland averages. The Colosseum is falling apart, sewage back ups in the locker rooms, hot water failing, rats. Nothing around it as far as restaurants bars etc.

Sac will sell out every game and the facility is better than Oakland is now.

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Sac is newer for sure and Mount Davis is a travesty but oaklands stadium itself is still perfectly serviceable for fans. Attendance is bleak because of how the team has been dismantled and run into the ground on a shoestring, not anything to do w the stadium. There was a time when Oakland was number 1 in attendance outpacing all the big names. I wouldn’t mind if a actual mlb stadium happened in sac but playing in the river cats stadium is embarrassing. Cool for sac people but is otherwise s total embarrassment and totally on brand for John Fisher. The only reason the As are no longer in Oakland is his cheapness. MLB should have forced him to dell of st least blocked the move

Put Kenny Lofton in the Hall of Fame

Tough break for the Guardos, the Biebs is having TJ surgery.

Don't know who Sox RF Tyller O'Neil is but he just passed Mookie in OPS

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Originally Posted by Danno

Tough break for the Guardos, the Biebs is having TJ surgery.

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Looking like Spencer Strider may bi going down as well.

I think our technology has gotten to the point that we can maximize velocity and spin son much that the human body can’t handle the strain.

about time someone makes ra dickey a pitching coach

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Originally Posted by mcski

Sac is newer for sure and Mount Davis is a travesty but oaklands stadium itself is still perfectly serviceable for fans. Attendance is bleak because of how the team has been dismantled and run into the ground on a shoestring, not anything to do w the stadium. There was a time when Oakland was number 1 in attendance outpacing all the big names. I wouldn’t mind if a actual mlb stadium happened in sac but playing in the river cats stadium is embarrassing. Cool for sac people but is otherwise s total embarrassment and totally on brand for John Fisher. The only reason the As are no longer in Oakland is his cheapness. MLB should have forced him to dell of st least blocked the move

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I am pretty heart broken for the old hometown team. I remember days where we had to buy those expensive $7 upper deck seats in order to sneak into the bleachers. That place rocked when they had an actual baseball team. I mean, did you see the parking lot party during opening day? Oakland fans a freaking awesome, and now the teams are all gone. Albeit, one is just over the bridge. Still a loss. Not saying the city is blameless, but it didn’t have to go this way.
Baseball gives me more to turn away from it than it does to pull me in. And that really bums me out.

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Originally Posted by alias_rice

Looking like Spencer Strider may bi going down as well.

I think our technology has gotten to the point that we can maximize velocity and spin son much that the human body can’t handle the strain.

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The players association blames the pitch clock. But I agree, velocity and spin are the likely culprits.

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Originally Posted by Woodsy

Put Kenny Lofton in the Hall of Fame

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Amen.

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Originally Posted by Danno

Tough break for the Guardos, the Biebs is having TJ surgery.

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I was on spring break and blissfully tuned out and this was the first bit of baseball news I came back to. For fucks sake this sucks for him (contract expires end of season) and for us fans.

His season so far was 2-0; 0.00 ERA; 20K; 1 BB; 12 IP.

Fuck.

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Originally Posted by alias_rice

I think our technology has gotten to the point that we can maximize velocity and spin son much that the human body can’t handle the strain.

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huh?
the massive uptick in breaking pitches and the unprecedented workload guys are given as amateurs is to blame if anything. theres also the fact that the surgery and subsequent rehab are way less of a risk to ones career now vs back in the day.

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Originally Posted by BmillsSkier

Amen.



I was on spring break and blissfully tuned out and this was the first bit of baseball news I came back to. For fucks sake this sucks for him (contract expires end of season) and for us fans.

His season so far was 2-0; 0.00 ERA; 20K; 1 BB; 12 IP.

Fuck.

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Oh contract year is a terrible time to have TJ since it could keep him out next year too. Bummer for him and the Guardos.

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Originally Posted by stealurface831

huh?
the massive uptick in breaking pitches and the unprecedented workload guys are given as amateurs is to blame if anything. theres also the fact that the surgery and subsequent rehab are way less of a risk to ones career now vs back in the day.

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That is no doubt part of it too. Ironically, MLB pitchers (especially starters) have lighter workloads than they ever have before, meanwhile kids 10-20 are throwing more and harder than ever. But the obsession with velo and spin rate is still a bigger factor imo. Places like Driveline and Top Velocity can squeeze out every bit of speed on a pitch, but the ligaments can't seem to hold up to it.

Here is a video from Driveline's youth pitching velocity sales pitch. I can see how this will get the kid to throw harder, but doing this along with a bunch of weighted ball training seems like a great way to insure a future TJ appointment in a decade.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/Of...tM6iiTSlU3KTOG

So I have some anecdotal experience with driveline. did the program for 2 years during high school. This was a few years back so things have probably changed but pull-downs like what’s shown in the video we’re done either once a week or once every two weeks depending on schedule. Most of the program I did was weight training, yoga/stretching, a daily under/over weighted ball regiment, and a HUGE emphasis on recovery. Like a half hour each of EMS, heat, and ice each day during the season. All that to say, I don’t think what I did with driveline ever put me at additional risk of injury. If anything I feel like it strengthened my elbow and especially my shoulder. Can’t know anything for sure without looking at some data but I suspect we’d see a lower rate of TJ in guy’s post-driveline.


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And goddamn the world champions can’t catch a break at third. Jung goes down, Foscue comes up for two days, immediately goes down with an oblique.


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it appears Snell wont save the Giants from mediocrity this season

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Originally Posted by Woodsy

Don't know who Sox RF Tyller O'Neil is but he just passed Mookie in OPS

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His first Fenway AB was a HR over the monster.

[QUOTE=alias_rice;7064217]That is no doubt part of it too. Ironically, MLB pitchers (especially starters) have lighter workloads than they ever have before, meanwhile kids 10-20 are throwing more and harder than ever. But the obsession with velo and spin rate is still a bigger factor imo. Places like Driveline and Top Velocity can squeeze out every bit of speed on a pitch, but the ligaments can't seem to hold up to it.

Here is a video from Driveline's youth pitching velocity sales pitch. I can see how this will get the kid to throw harder, but doing this along with a bunch of weighted ball training seems like a great way to insure a future TJ appointment in a decade.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/Of...tM6iiTSlU3KTOG[/QUOT

I would like to see actual number of pitches a player has made by the time he gets drafted vs 20 years ago. Kids start specializing before 10 and play multiple seasons/teams in a calendar year.
All that extra load while a body is growing with not as much recovery in the way of an actual off season has to accumulate negatively.

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Originally Posted by fatnslow

I would like to see actual number of pitches a player has made by the time he gets drafted vs 20 years ago. Kids start specializing before 10 and play multiple seasons/teams in a calendar year.
All that extra load while a body is growing with not as much recovery in the way of an actual off season has to accumulate negatively.

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My son chose to not play baseball this spring and just continue on with soccer (his sport of choice by a mile) because the level of commitment and specialization that his baseball league requires as the boys approach age 10.

It's insane and can't be good on the kids' arms. And as much as we liked our team, coaches and parents these past few years, there has been a noticeable attitude shift among all 3 groups as each one thinks their kid is getting a full baseball scholarship to Vandy, that is if they don't go straight to the pros.

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Originally Posted by BmillsSkier

My son chose to not play baseball this spring and just continue on with soccer (his sport of choice by a mile) because the level of commitment and specialization that his baseball league requires as the boys approach age 10.

It's insane and can't be good on the kids' arms. And as much as we liked our team, coaches and parents these past few years, there has been a noticeable attitude shift among all 3 groups as each one thinks their kid is getting a full baseball scholarship to Vandy, that is if they don't go straight to the pros.

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My bet is every one of these parents are about 5'7" , uncoordinated with short stubby limbs.

Do these dumb fuckers realize D1 baseball programs have 11.7 scholarships to split up among the whole program ?

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Originally Posted by fatnslow

My bet is every one of these parents are about 5'7" , uncoordinated with short stubby limbs.

Do these dumb fuckers realize D1 baseball programs have 11.7 scholarships to split up among the whole program ?

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I'd wager good money that the most vocal of these adults think there's 10.7 scholarships available because their kid already has one locked up. We were relatively late to youth baseball (no T-ball or anything like that but were able to slide in thanks to my son's (way better than mine ever was) coordination/athleticism). That didn't prepare us for how competitive youth baseball in the southeast is. Holy cow its on another level.

You'd think there's 5 or 6 Chipper Jones on each team.

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Originally Posted by fatnslow

My bet is every one of these parents are about 5'7" , uncoordinated with short stubby limbs.

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my daughter thinks she's going to get a soccer scholarship, and when I tell her that it ain't happening, she gets made at me. But I explain to her that I know this to be true because I know who her father is, and he is not the father of a D1 soccer scholarship recipient.

there is no substitute for

- learning to hit lefty
- playing catcher

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Originally Posted by alias_rice

That is no doubt part of it too. Ironically, MLB pitchers (especially starters) have lighter workloads than they ever have before, meanwhile kids 10-20 are throwing more and harder than ever. But the obsession with velo and spin rate is still a bigger factor imo. Places like Driveline and Top Velocity can squeeze out every bit of speed on a pitch, but the ligaments can't seem to hold up to it.

Here is a video from Driveline's youth pitching velocity sales pitch. I can see how this will get the kid to throw harder, but doing this along with a bunch of weighted ball training seems like a great way to insure a future TJ appointment in a decade.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/Of...tM6iiTSlU3KTOG[/QUOT

I would like to see actual number of pitches a player has made by the time he gets drafted vs 20 years ago. Kids start specializing before 10 and play multiple seasons/teams in a calendar year.
All that extra load while a body is growing with not as much recovery in the way of an actual off season has to accumulate negatively.

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My son is 10 and I have been coaching the last 5 seasons so 3 years, we are super focused on pitch counts. But then he doesnt do travel baseball as travel Soccer is enough.

ANd yes he can swtich hit and plays catcher too

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Originally Posted by fatnslow

I would like to see actual number of pitches a player has made by the time he gets drafted vs 20 years ago. Kids start specializing before 10 and play multiple seasons/teams in a calendar year.
All that extra load while a body is growing with not as much recovery in the way of an actual off season has to accumulate negatively.

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Read something the other day that said the majority of TJs are done on kids 13-19. I believe it.


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Originally Posted by BmillsSkier

I'd wager good money that the most vocal of these adults think there's 10.7 scholarships available because their kid already has one locked up. We were relatively late to youth baseball (no T-ball or anything like that but were able to slide in thanks to my son's (way better than mine ever was) coordination/athleticism). That didn't prepare us for how competitive youth baseball in the southeast is. Holy cow its on another level.

You'd think there's 5 or 6 Chipper Jones on each team.

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Sounds like several parents from my kid’s team would fit right in over there. It’s one thing for a 12 year old to have impossible dreams, but mind boggling how many parents believe it.


Off topic a bit, but I have a few questions for the East Coasters here. This June, my son will be playing in a weeklong tournament in Cooperstown. Other than the Hall of Fame, is there anything to do in that area? The kids stay in dorms with their team, so I’m thinking the wife and I will have a lot of spare time. Anything worth checking out? After the tournament, we are going to shoot down and catch a game at Fenway and at Citi Field. Any tips on where to sit in those stadiums?