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not alchemist (or powder works)Quote:
Originally Posted by hoarhey
think I got first year of when they got spooned-“regular” Pure 3
I haven’t done side by side with other but pretty stoked with them when I can use in appropriate conditions-certainly wouldn’t change a thing.
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Cool. Otto. Sounds like you have the purple pure3 lotus 138 spoons
I have the same but in the midget version
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OK, I'm gonna throw a little turd in this punch bowl...how does the Armada ARG/ARG II compare with the dentist 138's? Never been on either but my interest is being piqued by this thread, and the fact that Armada is coming out with an UL version of the ARG II next year. Hope it's in appropriate size(s). Also, does the R/R design need to be pretty stiff to work well for guys north of 200lb. I'm going to be doing a bunch of low elevation/ low angle meadow skipping in marginal snow (often pretty heavy and crusted) over the next couple of years and want to make the best of it.
In my experience, the bigger you are, the more you are going to want/need an r/r design that is longer than 190-ish. They are “unique” and fun to ski on the right day, but something like a Protest does the same thing and is more versatile. I think spending over $1k for 138’s is a little silly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Thomas
I'm kinda wondering if an L138 in a 182cm or ARG II UL might be super fun for my wife at 5'9" 145lb. She doesn't do steep anymore but does like the whole hippy pow touring deal. Seems like this kind of board could extend her season quite a bit. Got her a pair of Woo2's this year so this seems like the logical next step for when things get a little deep and heavy at lower elevations. For me, yeah, I can seed the need for 190+ and stiff. I've got a pair of L124 Spoon Alchemists for the resort/heli but would like to try an R/R board for low elevation touring with the wife. Have been keeping an eye out for some UL build Protest 192's for myself...or Kusala carbons.
I personally don't think low angle is the right environment for the 138. If I was putting together the ultimate low angle wiggle setup it'd be Line Pescados, bar none.
138s excel in mid to steeper terrain.
i love my 138s for meadow skipping - float on top and keep your speed up in low angle terrain. great for early season to avoid rocks with shallow snowpacks, great for the 4" fresh days when you want to avoid hitting the mank lurking below.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Artist Formerly Known as Leavenworth Skier
Me too.Quote:
Originally Posted by mc_roon
Pescados might float better at 2mph with those giant shovels (haven't skied them, just speculating) but L138s work pretty well.
Yesssssss, moar steeeeeep pls.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Artist Formerly Known as Leavenworth Skier
I've found my Protests to excel at low angle pow skipping.
5'8" 185 lbs, and that's with the 177 length
No experience with the pescado. I’ve had exceptionally awesome meadow skipping experiences in Sierra snow and mank with 192cm l138 and fully rockered protest (18x?). I also use 185(?) bibby’s a lot, and the l138 is much more fun for me on the low angle. Telemark, 155lbs.
Yes for 138s fucking slaying steep 50deg AK cream
Yes for 138skeeping speed up and not bogging down in the meadows and you can play and pop on them. Pow covered glacier flatter AK runouts to a PZ? Yessss
Yes for 138s in CO early season keeps you off the rocks and floats (and deflects well, as in up, instead of digging into a hazard or going under a log).
Yes for 138s floating sea of facets when you are CO meadow skipping.
138s for almost everything!
Don't know the Pescado, but I do remember really also liking Lotus 120s in the flats because the fat tip pintail worked really well for that, so a swallow would too.
ARGII felt awesome in the shop, but they are almost Spatula heavy. Fucking boat anchors! Might be fine for lift served days. UL version sounds nice.
Interesting that they said that. I emailed DPS and they’ve told me the rocker and shaping is identical to the Purple 138 Powderworks Alchemist SpoonQuote:
Originally Posted by old mexico
Looking at the photos there does seem to be a little different in the tip and tail taper but it’s hard to know if it’s just the photo playing tricks or what.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimty
Yes for this postQuote:
Originally Posted by Summit
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Yeah If you really want a pair of 138s a guy in montrose Is selling a pair of powder works 182/ pure3 192 on Craigslist. Both brand new except the 192s have been mounted for wardens.
$1399 for any ski is not worth it. But it is the dentists powder ski after all so they’re ‘selling quick’
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I thought that too from the pics… Although the purples in the pics are in the shorter length, so maybe that’s itQuote:
Originally Posted by GoSlowGoFar
The Praxis Powderboards are also terrific at low angle pow skipping, as you would expect. Even better are the old Bluehouse Mavens, soft, 139 underfoot, reverse camber with just the tiniest bit of sidecut. I tele the 190 PB and the 190 Mavens at 165lb. The PBs are better at everything else other than low angle. The Mavens are now my very early season, very low snow, stay off the rocks on low angle terrain skis.Quote:
Originally Posted by hoarhey
So are Powderboards pretty much an across the board equivalent of an L138? I realize that they are both R/R, just want to know if there is any other practical differences besides brand.
Every iteration of the Maven was different flex wise(last version had updated rocker/camber profile, mainly how tips/rails rise). Gold version was/is not soft(my Proto mavens may be the stiffest ski I own).Quote:
Originally Posted by hopelesslyadolescent
I also have PB's and absolutely love them, but totally disagree with the PB's outperforming the Maven. The Maven is way more versatile.
Fuckin love my gold Mavens, seriously cold dead hands ski!
A stiffer maven would be alot of fun and hold up better at speed I'd imagine. There is one other area where even my soft mavens outperform the PB, and that's getting back to the lifts on groomers. That tiny bit of sidecut really makes a difference. But I usually only ski my PBs on storm days. The mavens were my first fat ski and first R/R and truly rocked my world.Quote:
Originally Posted by tuco
PB’s were intended to be a modernized-ish spatula with traditions torsion box design rather then stainless steel cap design. L138 usually have a hint of sidecut and are much lighter. The different versions of the l138 had different rocker profiles, tip and tail taper, and internal construction.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Thomas
Apologies in advance if it’s been explained, couldn’t find any discussion on it.
Can someone elaborate to me if there’s a real difference between the older 138s with different flex. I’m a bigger guy and ski faster/ more aggressive than average. Would it be a problem to be on flex 2 vs 3. I found a 202cm length in flex 2 so I’m just curious since I’ve never been on the older dps skis
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20" in 24 hours
20 degrees to 33 degrees to 23 degrees during the event
40 MPH winds post storm
202 138s ate it up
(Except the bulletproof groomers at the very very bottom runout, we won't talk about that part, nor me nearly doing the splits on said bulletproof groomers.)
Worth the splits?