Coyote Problem

You're flailing at this point, man.

Just adding to the discussion: I live in the District of Columbia. I have Coyotes in my neighborhood. They aren't allowed to be shot (no hunting in DC.)

Summit - now imagine those 500M+ angling days resulting in at least one dead fish each, rather than 2%. Can't eat something and throw it back...

summit lives out west man, he knows what he is talking about...

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Originally Posted by flowing alpy

Weigh In! That's Funny.
maybe around a campfire and after a few drinks

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And some asbestos gloves

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Originally Posted by Tippster

Summit - now imagine those 500M+ angling days resulting in at least one dead fish each, rather than 2%. Can't eat something and throw it back...

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I'm pro-C&R. I can talk about the fish C&R kills and still be in favor of C&R because it is much better than having overfished or closed streams that people stop visiting and caring about.

there's talkin about fishin
and there's fishin
and there's summit babblin about cuttin bait
in the yote thread

When future Representative James Piotrowski sits around the campfire, he sits AROUND the campfire.

There are really people who think coyotes are cute? I was raised in the heart of progressive, NY Metro America, and at least when I was living there coyotes were pretty much universally detested. They were the one animal you didn't swerve or brake for if it stepped in front of your car. When did that change?

I'm more concerned about having a hostile encounter with someones domesticated dog while hiking around here, and frankly wish that more trails were closed to dogs. Keep your filthy, aggressive, annoying, shit-spewing dogs at home where you can enjoy them, and I don't have to have my day in the mountains ruined by their presence.

meanwhile

yotes gonna yote

fish gonna fish

Pio gonna Pio

Coyotes and carp will one day rule land and water. We'll have to wait till Nov to see if Pio will rule West Idaho.

actualy it will be the bugs that are left

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Originally Posted by Tippster

Just adding to the discussion: I live in the District of Columbia. I have Coyotes in my neighborhood. They aren't allowed to be shot (no hunting in DC.)

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Well then why did you move into their territory? /sarcasm

So what are you guys running for coyote guns?

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Originally Posted by glademaster

Keep your filthy, aggressive, annoying, shit-spewing dogs at home where you can enjoy them, and I don't have to have my day in the mountains ruined by their presence.

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Nobody cares about whiners, princess.

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Originally Posted by Tippster

Just adding to the discussion: I live in the District of Columbia. I have Coyotes in my neighborhood. They aren't allowed to be shot (no hunting in DC.)

Summit - now imagine those 500M+ angling days resulting in at least one dead fish each, rather than 2%. Can't eat something and throw it back...

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Those aren't coyotes, those be failed politicians on a 2 week bender.

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Originally Posted by glademaster

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I'm more concerned about having a hostile encounter with someones domesticated dog while hiking around here, and frankly wish that more trails were closed to dogs. Keep your filthy, aggressive, annoying, shit-spewing dogs at home where you can enjoy them, and I don't have to have my day in the mountains ruined by their presence.

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Wait ..... are you actually talking about small children?? If so, :yourock:

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Originally Posted by riser3

Well then why did you move into their territory? /sarcasm

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No coyotes were ever around DC before, back in the day there were wolves. Even 10 years ago there weren't any. 5 years ago a few. Now, a lot. So they moved into our territory, which makes them fair game, right?

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Originally Posted by iceman

No coyotes were ever around DC before, back in the day there were wolves. Even 10 years ago there weren't any. 5 years ago a few. Now, a lot. So they moved into our territory, which makes them fair game, right?

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Bust out the maul.

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Originally Posted by Summit

...Also that there is an overpopulation of (mountain lions)...

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No, the overpopulations are people and dogs.

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Originally Posted by riser3

I have never, until now, considered killing coyotes purely for the sake of killing them. So you should congratulate yourself.

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Consider killing yourself, douchebag. For the sake of it.

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Originally Posted by bunion

I have fly fished for a long time and anymore I crimp my barbs so aggressively that if I give the fish a good bit of slack they self release.

To me the moment that counts is the strike and the set, once they are hooked they are pretty much caught, at least in my mind, so why not let them off ASAP, i know what a trout looks like, don't need anymore stinkin pictures. As for eating them, if a trout is from a high mountain lake it has decent flavor. The river fish around here have all the flavor of a chunk of cardboard.

If a fish cannot spit the fly after a bunch of attempts at slacking the line I will get it in close and cut the line.

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^This is how it's done. A lot of assholes don't know how to C&R, which doesn't make it wrong. A lot like the way a lot of assholes shoot coyotes.

Apologies for checking in so late.

WTF, last time I checked hooks don't rust out very fast in freshwater. If you think cutting them off benefits the fish more than a quick handle and hook removal, I'd question your judgement.

I suppose leaving a musky with a 12" fly in its mouth is a great idea too.

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Originally Posted by east or bust

WTF, last time I checked hooks don't rust out very fast in freshwater. If you think cutting them off benefits the fish more than a quick handle and hook removal, I'd question your judgement.

I suppose leaving a musky with a 12" fly in its mouth is a great idea too.

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You taking about bunion? I think you're misreading what he said

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Originally Posted by abraham

You taking about bunion? I think you're misreading what he said

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Don't think I did.. I'm all for barbless hooks, I can agree on that point and about not needing a picture with every damn fish I catch. But leaving a hook in a fish's mouth is only acceptable to me if removing it will cause serious injury or death to the fish.

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Originally Posted by skiballs

Those aren't coyotes, those be failed politicians on a 2 week bender.

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Wereyotes of D.C.?

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Originally Posted by east or bust

Don't think I did.. I'm all for barbless hooks, I can agree on that point and about not needing a picture with every damn fish I catch. But leaving a hook in a fish's mouth is only acceptable to me if removing it will cause serious injury or death to the fish.

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Depends on many factors. Right now most of the rivers here are on Hoot Owl closures (closed to fishing after 14:00) because of low flows and warm temps. If you fight a fish to exhaustion chances are even if you really work at getting them to recover the odds are bad for the fish.

A # 12 rusts out pretty fast inside the mouth of a fish, believe it or not. They have a pretty high carbon content. The hook, not the fish. Wet a few flies and leave em in a warm moist place. You will see what I mean.

And apropos of nothing, its 10:30ish here and the neighborhood pack is raising hell. Awfully early but its not a school night.

I think the fish will likely spit the barbless hook out after the line is cut. But anyway you look at it, C&R fishing is a cruel business. Far less humane than hunting and killing animal to eat IMO.

But I do wonder about the numbers. If such a high percentage of released fish die, wouldn't the Mo and the Madison etc be afloat with many many more dead fish? I've never noticed it.