Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

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Originally Posted by ::: :::

615k deaths in the US, not to mention the rest of the world
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Templa..._pandemic_data
All in a little over a year.
And we are not done with it.

Urging people to accept this reality shouldn’t be as difficult as it is, but thanks to people like you who dismiss it in the face of all facts, people still cover their eyes & ears to addressing the problem directly.

Congratulations

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hey bud… the Spanish flu pandemic of 1918 killed 50,000,000 million worldwide…

also, if you’re so worried about all the deaths, we shouldn’t be going un-masked or not social distancing until everyone is vaccinated and the virus is eradicated totally; right?? How many more deaths are you okay with?!?!?!?

edit: currently, we’re at 4.2 million dead worldwide. Out of 7.9 billion people. The Spanish flu of 1918 killed 50 million out of 2,000,000,000 people… if you’re going to talk about loss of life; maybe try and use percentages rather than a massive number that doesn’t actively reflect the % of population..

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Originally Posted by mtuhockey33

hey bud… the Spanish flu pandemic of 1918 killed 50,000,000 million worldwide…

also, if you’re so worried about all the deaths, we shouldn’t be going un-masked or not social distancing until everyone is vaccinated and the virus is eradicated totally; right?? How many more deaths are you okay with?!?!?!?

edit: currently, we’re at 4.2 million dead worldwide. Out of 7.9 billion people. The Spanish flu of 1918 killed 50 million out of 1,192,000,000 people… if you’re going to talk about loss of life; maybe try and use percentages rather than a massive number that doesn’t actively reflect the % of population..

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Utterly irrelevant
[edit]actually, it more than proves the situation and just speaks to the importance of not ignoring the state of things currently. So, keep digging your hole

But still…take your disingenuous purity test & choke on it

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Originally Posted by ::: :::

Utterly irrelevant
[edit]actually, it more than proves the situation and just speaks to the importance of not ignoring the state of things currently. So, keep digging your hole

But still…take your disingenuous purity test & choke on it

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I’m sorry you’re probably an overweight, elderly person with a couple of health problems that is a high risk for the flu… most healthy young adults realistically have the same amount of concern about the flu as Covid. But if you want to keep seeing places shut down, more wealth transfer to the rich, and a loss of social skills in children… well we’re right on track to your utopia.

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Originally Posted by mtuhockey33

do you get a flu shot every year? Most people that are healthy, in shape, with no adverse health effects do not get a flu shot as typically, its nothing serious.

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How the fuck have we gone this far into a pandemic and some people still don't understand how infectious diseases work? It's truly remarkable how dumb people are.

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Originally Posted by mtuhockey33

until everyone is vaccinated and the virus is eradicated totally; right?? How many more deaths are you okay with?!?!?!?

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Aren't we, oh I dunno, 14-15 months past the point where everyone learned we weren't going to eradicate this virus, and we'd never reach a point where truly everyone is vaccinated? You doing ok there buddy? Just catching up?

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Originally Posted by abraham

Aren't we, oh I dunno, 14-15 months past the point where everyone learned we weren't going to eradicate this virus, and we'd never reach a point where truly everyone is vaccinated? You doing ok there buddy? Just catching up?

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I’m doing fine! Haven’t been sick since I can remember.

this is literally what I’m trying to say - you’re not going to get rid of Covid. It’s going to be the new flu virus. To put it in AD’s words “it’s truly remarkable how dumb people are.”

Please stop quoting the dum dum. Please?

Better yet - put the dum dum on Ignore.

Please?

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Originally Posted by mtuhockey33

I’m doing fine! Haven’t been sick since I can remember.

this is literally what I’m trying to say - you’re not going to get rid of Covid. It’s going to be the new flu virus. To put it in AD’s words “it’s truly remarkable how dumb people are.”

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If the current mRNA vaccines provide protection against all known and future variants, would you concede that even those who are healthy and at low risk of become sick from infection should get vaccinated?

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Originally Posted by huckbucket

If the current mRNA vaccines provide protection against all known and future variants, would you concede that even those who are healthy and at low risk of become sick from infection should get vaccinated?

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if we had that type of knowledge now, possibly. We still don’t know any long term effects of the vaccine or virus. My only hesitation would be what are the outcomes of catching Covid for a person my age/health vs possibilities of an adverse reaction to the vaccine for me. Currently, I don’t get a yearly flu vaccine. The risk of catching the flu/getting sick from the flu doesn’t make me want to get one… same with the Covid vaccine. In a couple years when there’s more knowledge and there’s more trials with long term knowledge; sure. Sign me up.

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Originally Posted by mtuhockey33

if we had that type of knowledge now, possibly. We still don’t know any long term effects of the vaccine or virus. My only hesitation would be what are the outcomes of catching Covid for a person my age/health vs possibilities of an adverse reaction to the vaccine for me. Currently, I don’t get a yearly flu vaccine. The risk of catching the flu/getting sick from the flu doesn’t make me want to get one… same with the Covid vaccine. In a couple years when there’s more knowledge and there’s more trials with long term knowledge; sure. Sign me up.

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Have you seen the recent publications predicting breadth and duration of protection for people who have been infected? If not, the suggestion is that immunity will last years rather than months. And while it's obvious that we cannot predict how well the current batch of vaccines will cover us for future variants, it's also clear is that they work for the existing variants and that the lower mutation rate of SARS COV2 relative to influenza means that we collectively have an opportunity to lower community prevelance as a primary tool to secure our therapeutic options and protect our vulnerable neighbors.

You say you're concerned about the safety of the vaccine. Other than additional "time," what evidence will you look for?

Please, please, PLEASE stop engaging the dum dum.

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Originally Posted by mtuhockey33

if we had that type of knowledge now, possibly. We still don’t know any long term effects of the vaccine or virus. My only hesitation would be what are the outcomes of catching Covid for a person my age/health vs possibilities of an adverse reaction to the vaccine for me. Currently, I don’t get a yearly flu vaccine. The risk of catching the flu/getting sick from the flu doesn’t make me want to get one… same with the Covid vaccine. In a couple years when there’s more knowledge and there’s more trials with long term knowledge; sure. Sign me up.

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I get the flu vaccine every year so I don't catch it and spread it to people I care about. And also, the flu fucking sucks if you've ever had it. Free shot every fall, takes 10 minutes total, and has some pretty solid benefits with zero down side? Sign me the fuck up. And you too.

If you rarely get the flu, like pretty much everyone, you can thank those who bother to go and get a vaccine for it every year. You're welcome!

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Originally Posted by skaredshtles

Please, please, PLEASE stop engaging the dum dum.

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I might quote mtuhockey33, and here’s my apology in advance. I get where you’re coming from but he serves as a perfect example of the stunningly willful ignorance of some people outside of my (carefully curated) bubble. I tend to let my guard down and lessen my contempt if I don’t get that reminder every now and then.

Seems to me he serves as a troll, nothing more. Reminders can come from posts, quoting is superfluous. He’s been in and out of these threads since early on and he gets what he wants every time.

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Originally Posted by The AD

How the fuck have we gone this far into a pandemic and some people still don't understand how infectious diseases work? It's truly remarkable how dumb people are.

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People my age grew up playing hockey without helmets. Too many pucks to the noggin?

Influenza infection can also be asymptomatic, and there’s evidence that those with asymptomatic infection can infect others. Here’s a recent study. The Findings and Interpretation sections of the abstract should be easy to understand: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...141-8/fulltext

Heartbreaking. Fox News and the GOP have so much blood on their hands:

https://www.al.com/news/2021/07/im-s...-patients.html


“They cry. And they tell me they didn’t know. They thought it was a hoax. They thought it was political. They thought because they had a certain blood type or a certain skin color they wouldn’t get as sick. They thought it was ‘just the flu’. But they were wrong. And they wish they could go back. But they can’t. So they thank me and they go get the vaccine. And I go back to my office, write their death note, and say a small prayer that this loss will save more lives.”

“I try to be very non-judgmental when I’m getting a new COVID patient that’s unvaccinated, but I really just started asking them, ‘Why haven’t you gotten the vaccine?’ And I’ll just ask it point blank, in the least judgmental way possible,” she said. “And most of them, they’re very honest, they give me answers. ‘I talked to this person, I saw this thing on Facebook, I got this email, I saw this on the news,’ you know, these are all the reasons that I didn’t get vaccinated.”

“And the one question that I always ask them is, did you make an appointment with your primary care doctor and ask them for their opinion on whether or not you should receive the vaccine? And so far, nobody has answered yes to that question.”

most people who think they had the flu had a semi-bad cold. flu sucks. it kills. thank god for medical treatments and vaccines. the fact that people can be so ignorantly blase about it is only due to the effectiveness of our medical practices.

COVID is worse. and, being new, has more uncertainty thus it should be treated with even more respect and gravity.

I get a flu shot every year. Thanks for asking.

Never had a flu shot in 50 years. Guess I'm a super spreader. Lol.
Covid shot was more to make life easier for everyone. I had no "fear" of covid personally.

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I haven't died of old age yet either, so obviously I'm immune.

The worse case of flu I ever had was as a med student. I never want to feel that way again. After a week I tried to walk a half block to the hospital. Made it two houses.
The last case I had I had to do emergency surgery with a 103 fever. They couldn't find anyone else to do it. The case turned out ok but I still don't feel good about it 30 years later.
Since then I anxiously await the yearly flu shot like it's the I Phone 12. Start checking the Kaiser web site on Memorial day. OK, Labor day. Last fall I even stood in a very long line to get it, although I didn't camp out overnight. (Do people still do that or are new I Phones NBD these days?)

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Originally Posted by mtuhockey33

if we had that type of knowledge now, possibly. We still don’t know any long term effects of the vaccine or virus. My only hesitation would be what are the outcomes of catching Covid for a person my age/health vs possibilities of an adverse reaction to the vaccine for me. Currently, I don’t get a yearly flu vaccine. The risk of catching the flu/getting sick from the flu doesn’t make me want to get one… same with the Covid vaccine. In a couple years when there’s more knowledge and there’s more trials with long term knowledge; sure. Sign me up.

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Curious, has there ever been a vaccine that had long term side effects? Many / most vaccines have some short term aches & pains and a few in very rare occasions have serious side effects but I have never heard of one that months or years later cause issues.

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Originally Posted by bigdude2468

Curious, has there ever been a vaccine that had long term side effects? Many / most vaccines have some short term aches & pains and a few in very rare occasions have serious side effects but I have never heard of one that months or years later cause issues.

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Hate to say categorically "no" to any question like this because you'll always find more examples to study. But, long term safety records of FDA-approved vaccines are very, very good. Here are some notable, historical safety issues;

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/co...s-history.html

It’s not the flu

I think covid is overrated by the fear media. And a motorcycle death was counted as covid.

But look back at excess deaths. 500k in the us. That statistic is legit.

I got it and it wasn’t as bad as the flu that swept through my office three winters ago. But it kills old and weak
Show some compassion. And common sense.