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Originally Posted by AK47bp

Bangin pregos is pretty hot.

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Ewwww…. Just don’t try to serve it afterwards

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Originally Posted by AK47bp

Bangin pregos is pretty hot.

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Originally Posted by The AD

So you want kids because the sex is better? Okay then.

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things I don't understand but whatever

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Originally Posted by climberevan

Read carefully. Working hard for yourself is different than working hard for someone else when the marginal benefit to you is zero. I didn't suggest that someone shouldn't do the former.

In any case, money is a necessary means to get stuff to live a happy life. It's not an end in itself. The score that I care about is how much time I have to do the things I love, not the size of my accounts.

If you're working 6+days a week, even if you're self employed, IMO you're doing it wrong.

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I guess I'm driven so working like a fool is something I do yes six day weeks at times and long days
honestly I haven't worked much since thanksgiving after spending 3 weeks in south america
I take 10 weeks off a year have lots of toys and vacation well guess I'm going to Hawaii again this year and a trip to jordan and qatar and abu dhabi are being figured out I'm not interested but a mulitnational corporation might pick up some of the tab so why not

over working to enjoy oneself is worth it at times I'll be moving onto my second career in a 3 years or less and be enjoying life even more

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Originally Posted by Supermoon

There are important jobs like yours and there are supremely unimportant jobs like managing a hedge fund, or anything that requires an MBA. Unfortunately we have tricked ourselves into thinking the unimportant jobs are important and worth making billions of dollars at the expense of the actually important jobs.

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But then who donates the money for the trauma wing at the hospital he works in?

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Originally Posted by Supermoon

There are important jobs like yours and there are supremely unimportant jobs like managing a hedge fund, or anything that requires an MBA. Unfortunately we have tricked ourselves into thinking the unimportant jobs are important and worth making billions of dollars at the expense of the actually important jobs.

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You mean like the Six Sigma "pound productivity into your heads and tell senior leadership they need to base patient care on productivity models based on reimbursements" people?

Yeah, task any of those nitwits with trying to explain to a patient why their care is delayed, yeah, fuck them.

I remember the buzz word so how long ago was the six sigma popular ?

they seemed to trot out another one every year or so

IME if you work at 10/10th all the time you burn out fast and they expect 10/10ths all the time,

Instead go 9/10ths that way when you need that extra push you can go to 11

but its not really 11 its only 10 but it looks like 11

I'm all about 7.5.

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Originally Posted by climberevan

If you're working 6+days a week, even if you're self employed, IMO you're doing it wrong.

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Wildland fire would like a word…actually, with this entire thread or at least the part about working hard if not self-employed. Though granted it’s a niche occupation.

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Originally Posted by Meadow Skipper

Wildland fire would like a word…actually, with this entire thread. Though granted it’s a niche occupation.

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How much time off does wildland fire get October-April?

I remember the buzz word so how long ago was the six sigma popular ?

they seemed to trot out another one every year or so

IME if you work at 10/10th all the time you burn out fast and they expect 10/10ths all the time,

Instead go 9/10ths that way when you need that extra push you can go to 11

but its not really 11 its only 10 but it looks like 11

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xgx4k83zzc

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Originally Posted by californiagrown

How much time off does wildland fire get October-April?

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up here they are talking about employing at least some of the people year round

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Originally Posted by californiagrown

How much time off does wildland fire get October-April?

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Yeah, I was waiting for that.

I thought everyone here was over 70 and retired?

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Originally Posted by Timberridge

I thought everyone here was over 70 and retired?

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Not over 70 and very much wish I was retired. I fucked around in my 20s which put me way behind in retirement savings.

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Originally Posted by fastfred

things I don't understand but whatever

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It's ok. You don't have to understand. Just be aware you've been missing out for real. Sometimes chicks be like:

https://y.yarn.co/66ef9f37-c5a9-43ea...39a09_text.gif

It's next level. Facts.

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Originally Posted by californiagrown

How much time off does wildland fire get October-April?

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USFS and BLM are pushing hard to convert all Permanent Seasonal Employees from 13/13 or 18/8 (6 months and 9 month tours) to 26/0 Permanent Full Time for GS5's and up. So for some people this means working a standard 2080 hour year, plus a 1000+ hour overtime season in the summer.

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Originally Posted by Bunion 2020

Ya know the Its Just a Dog thread?

Unless you are working for yourself, it is just a Job.

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Ain't that the truth. Words of wisdom right there. Gotta love the Saturday night texts/e-mails from the workaholics about how much an "emergency" some bullcrap is that can TOTALLY wait until Monday morning.

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Originally Posted by climberevan

Read carefully. Working hard for yourself is different than working hard for someone else when the marginal benefit to you is zero. I didn't suggest that someone shouldn't do the former.

In any case, money is a necessary means to get stuff to live a happy life. It's not an end in itself. The score that I care about is how much time I have to do the things I love, not the size of my accounts.

If you're working 6+days a week, even if you're self employed, IMO you're doing it wrong.

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Originally Posted by dan_pdx

And we have a legal and regulatory environment that rewards people for doing nothing more than skimming the cream off of financial transactions. It's pretty fucked that people that do nothing more than exploit loopholes in the finance system make billions and people who do work that actually benefits society make squat in comparison

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Originally Posted by Supermoon

There are important jobs like yours and there are supremely unimportant jobs like managing a hedge fund, or anything that requires an MBA. Unfortunately we have tricked ourselves into thinking the unimportant jobs are important and worth making billions of dollars at the expense of the actually important jobs.

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Originally Posted by californiagrown

Yep. It was worth it when i was lining my own pocket, both at the time and for the future (i built a nice trusted client list, and valuable skills and knowledge by busting my ass that will serve me in the years to come). But, i realized that the juice wasnt worth the squeeze (IMO) at higher levels within this new company so ive backed off considerably. I think it is VERY important to constantly evaluate if the juice is worth the squeeze, and make adjustments to how hard you squeeze.

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Getting some real commie vibes around here. :)

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Originally Posted by oldnew_guy

USFS and BLM are pushing hard to convert all Permanent Seasonal Employees from 13/13 or 18/8 (6 months and 9 month tours) to 26/0 Permanent Full Time for GS5's and up. So for some people this means working a standard 2080 hour year, plus a 1000+ hour overtime season in the summer.

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Genuinely curious how this will work. Why would they do this- doesnt seem like there would be much more than logistics/HR work to do for 5 months out of the year and that work is mostly done by current staffing, right? So what new offseason workload are they counting on?

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Originally Posted by californiagrown

Genuinely curious how this will work. Why would they do this- doesnt seem like there would be much more than logistics/HR work to do for 5 months out of the year and that work is mostly done by current staffing, right? So what new offseason workload are they counting on?

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The FS is burning right now outside of Santa Fe, in the snow. Fuels/mitigation/ecosystem improvement work, writing plans, and traveling to other units for fuels work can easily fill winters for the fire folks. And there’s facilities to work on, training to do, etc.

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Originally Posted by XXX-er

I remember the buzz word so how long ago was the six sigma popular ?

they seemed to trot out another one every year or so

IME if you work at 10/10th all the time you burn out fast and they expect 10/10ths all the time,

Instead go 9/10ths that way when you need that extra push you can go to 11

but its not really 11 its only 10 but it looks like 11

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xgx4k83zzc

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The Six Sigma logic is about as logical as Spinal Tap, speaking of which, I'm sure spinal taps aren't very well reimbursed anymore so there goes that...

Our organization (Trinity Health) made the Six Sigma (kaizon and black belts, etc) really popular about 10 years ago and for some reason it seems to have stuck with our senior leadership as an important cost saving department. Yeah, the Six Sigma idea works great for producing microchips and inanimate objects, but when it comes to patient care it gets REAL fuzzy.

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Originally Posted by oldnew_guy

Getting some real commie vibes around here. :)

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Isn’t capitalism all about the balance between profit and costs? Why shouldn’t capitalists use that calculation when it comes to their labor.

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Originally Posted by californiagrown

Genuinely curious how this will work. Why would they do this- doesnt seem like there would be much more than logistics/HR work to do for 5 months out of the year and that work is mostly done by current staffing, right? So what new offseason workload are they counting on?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Fire

Wildland fire season is now year around. Thanks climate change.

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Originally Posted by Meadow Skipper

The FS is burning right now outside of Santa Fe, in the snow. Fuels/mitigation/ecosystem improvement work, writing plans, and traveling to other units for fuels work can easily fill winters for the fire folks. And there’s facilities to work on, training to do, etc.

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I would think that mitigation alone could keep a *lot* of people employed full-time year around.

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Originally Posted by skaredshtles

I would think that mitigation alone could keep a *lot* of people employed full-time year around.

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Gotta rake those forest floors. Like in Norway.

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Originally Posted by mtnjam

The Six Sigma logic is about as logical as Spinal Tap, speaking of which, I'm sure spinal taps aren't very well reimbursed anymore so there goes that...

Our organization (Trinity Health) made the Six Sigma (kaizon and black belts, etc) really popular about 10 years ago and for some reason it seems to have stuck with our senior leadership as an important cost saving department. Yeah, the Six Sigma idea works great for producing microchips and inanimate objects, but when it comes to patient care it gets REAL fuzzy.

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well it must must have got drug out again it out cuz I rmember it from way further back than that

and then all this talk made me remember it was Motorola's fault

https://www.managementstudyguide.com...igma-story.htm

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Originally Posted by fastfred

ugh



things I don't understand but whatever



I guess I'm driven so working like a fool is something I do yes six day weeks at times and long days
honestly I haven't worked much since thanksgiving after spending 3 weeks in south america
I take 10 weeks off a year have lots of toys and vacation well guess I'm going to Hawaii again this year and a trip to jordan and qatar and abu dhabi are being figured out I'm not interested but a mulitnational corporation might pick up some of the tab so why not

over working to enjoy oneself is worth it at times I'll be moving onto my second career in a 3 years or less and be enjoying life even more

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Working hard or hardly working?

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Originally Posted by californiagrown

Genuinely curious how this will work. Why would they do this- doesnt seem like there would be much more than logistics/HR work to do for 5 months out of the year and that work is mostly done by current staffing, right? So what new offseason workload are they counting on?

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First of all - USFS HR sucks. Like, really sucks. Some years it was hard to even onboard people and get them paid. I knew people that went past several paycheck dates without pay.

Couple things-

First is that fire seasons are longer.

There is also a 10 year strategy to massively increase fuels treatment, so at least some of those people would be working on fuels projects, planning, etc.

At the core, FF can't pay their bills and the feds are hemorrhaging staff to state/local/private outfits or totally different jobs, who pay better, have better benefits, better work/life. So seemingly part of the theory in addition to pay increases is to have them work more across the year so they have consistent pay.

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Originally Posted by climberevan

If you're working 6+days a week, even if you're self employed, IMO you're doing it wrong.

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A couple billion humans on this planet have to work 6+ days a week in order to survive. I guess they are all doing it wrong…..



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Nope they just didn't win the birth lottery.

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Originally Posted by zion zig zag

Gotta rake those forest floors. Like in Norway.

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Didn't the orange antichrist say something about raking the forests?

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Originally Posted by oldnew_guy

First of all - USFS HR sucks. Like, really sucks. Some years it was hard to even onboard people and get them paid. I knew people that went past several paycheck dates without pay.

Couple things-

First is that fire seasons are longer.

There is also a 10 year strategy to massively increase fuels treatment, so at least some of those people would be working on fuels projects, planning, etc.

At the core, FF can't pay their bills and the feds are hemorrhaging staff to state/local/private outfits or totally different jobs, who pay better, have better benefits, better work/life. So seemingly part of the theory in addition to pay increases is to have them work more across the year so they have consistent pay.

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Yep. And BLM HR isn't much better (maybe worse). Our WLFF folks that are coming onboard FT/Perm are branching out into timber, silviculture/forestry, engineering tech, and fuels tech work outside of fire season. I think it's great if the WLFF folks are interested in working year-round, and welcome the extra human power.

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Originally Posted by donutlynx

Yep. And BLM HR isn't much better (maybe worse). Our WLFF folks that are coming onboard FT/Perm are branching out into timber, silviculture/forestry, engineering tech, and fuels tech work outside of fire season. I think it's great if the WLFF folks are interested in working year-round, and welcome the extra human power.

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Yep.

^^Also gives WLFF personnel opportunities for OJT and a path to transition out of WLF if they want to settle down and start a family, etc. Or continue doing both. Stability can be good for people.

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Originally Posted by Timberridge

But then who donates the money for the trauma wing at the hospital he works in?

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The state. The donations are called taxes I guess. But that's communist antics...

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Originally Posted by Supermoon

Isn’t capitalism all about the balance between profit and costs? Why shouldn’t capitalists use that calculation when it comes to their labor.

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No no no!
If workers do that it's communism. Unlike state bailouts they are suuupeer shoe string frontier spirit and should endorsed because Profits should be Private and losses public!

cant take credit for this, but a rant from Tim Dillon I heard on his podcast a while back about work was hilarious:

there's honestly nothing better than being at a dead end job with a bunch of other losers. you roll out of bed, listen to your favorite morning show while you sit in traffic, get in to the office, open a folder, read an email, bitch about your boss with your coworkers, take a little break and smoke a cig outside, what else would you do with your time anyways??.. you basically become war buddies with the other people in your shitty jobs, you get cocktails with your team after work and talk trash about the other people in the office who aren't there!.. people have to work, they need to provide for their families, not everyone can be millionaires or billionaires, someone's gotta be the cog in the machine and take on these lackluster menial roles.. what about going to a corporate convention every once in a while? that's always nice! going to a multi-day company training, hitting the shitty hotel bar and trying to get laid with some bimbo from accounting at a run-down Hilton Garden in bumfuck Ohio, that's the pinnacle of life right there. the happiest you'll ever be in your life is at a dead end job, there is seriously nothing better than laughing with your work buddies about wishing your boss would get shot in the head, talking about the good old days at the company, saying "it's not what it used to be" while you chomp down your crappy catered sandwiches at lunch, these corporate moments are actually beautiful, people don't know how lucky they are to have a mundane life of nothing, someone bringing donuts into the office on a Friday morning is truly peak civilization, don't you think people in third world countries would rather be bored at work than struggling to survive? people in war torn countries would 1000% percent rather have to choose which coffee creamer to use instead of suffering through the shit they deal with on a daily basis. You get tickets to a ball game every once in a while, that's it, that's the best it'll ever be, the boring dead end corporate job is an accomplishment that you should be happy about!

https://fortune.com/2024/02/16/nike-...-john-donahoe/

He feels really bad about it, though.

Isn't getting laid off peak antiwork?

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Originally Posted by Mazderati

https://fortune.com/2024/02/16/nike-...-john-donahoe/

He feels really bad about it, though.

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"I ultimately hold myself and my leadership team accountable".

It's funny, because some people would say that firing other people because you fucked up is the opposite of holding yourself accountable

Doing something bad and then saying you feel terrible about it is the ultimate example of making it all about you instead of about the person or people you harmed. Do something to make it better. Or STFU and hide.