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Quick question for the owners of the 22/23 Nocta. What the fuck do they mean about stop making banana bread? I wish they had written that in French instead of English.
Maybe full rocker? Rocker = BananaQuote:
Originally Posted by halliday
Some more thoughts on 22/23 Atris 184.3s mounted at +1. Ridden across a bunch of conditions, in different resorts and even went touring with them one day (cast+xt3 130LVs).
They have often ben used back to back with DPS Koala 103s. I'm 70kg/175 - enthustiastic, but with ski technique any trainer would probably get a nervous breakdown from looking at in slow mo.
Overall: they are pretty fun in most conditions and a good candidate for a quiver of one if you accept that they will not be able to hatefuck anything.
One def notices that they are a bit on the soft and light side of things - meaning you can feel the ski flexing differently based on your stance with a stiffer section mid ski. The flex pattern feels pretty balanced at +1 though and felt way off at recommended imho.
They do most things well imho, but lack the weight and stiffness to excel at deep, tracked out slush/corn and are not super duper stable at mach schnell on steep groomers. Other than that they are enjoyable on groomers at everything from low to pretty high speeds. They are very easy to ski in soft snow and do nothing weird even in weird snow.
They would probably be spectacular if made slightly stiffer and a couple of hundred grams heavier, though their shape with a flatter, not terribly tapered tail and longish effective edge could make them a lot less accesible to less proficient skiers if made stiffer/heavier.
All in all, I would prefer a ski that is halfway between the Koala103 (a lot stiffer and more progressive mount, but lacks suspension / too stiff+light for heavily tracked out snow) and the current Atris. I would still prefer the Atris of the two though - I think - a tad too soft is more versatile than a tad too stiff in this class of ski imho, even if k103s are great as well. I've not skied them back to back in dry snow, but I suspect the stiffer flexed k103 would beat the Atris in that kind of snow - k103s are great in dry snow for a 103mm ski.
Good write up, Kid. One thing I like about the Corvus vs the Atris is the ability to go from general blasting around to full on hate fuck. I think you have coined a term that should be in the skiing vocabulary/dictionary. Well done.
And in fact, I earlier texted the quote above about “hatefuck” to a friend about how that accurately reviews a ski. Congratulations Kid-kapow on a brilliantly now coined term.
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I recommend !
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pins and skins has a plum yak on a nocta, he’s turning them into straight resort setup though and pinged me asking if I needed the yaks, I want them but don’t need them so some one should buy those yaks, I have a set on my Ferox but I’m starting to think about just selling my ferox and getting a 185 nocta to put yaks on.
oh and my nocta 190 has a duke PT on them, I wouldn’t term it as full on touring with them but perfect for side country and quick little shit my heart desires when searching.
Anyone mount their Camox FB or Navis FB forward of the line? Thoughts? I’m considering a +1.5 remount.
I used to get along well with my Camox but after a few years of skiing more progressive skis (Atris, Nocta, Anima FB) I’m feeling like I’m a little behind the sweet spot when skiing steeps (which is generally what I use the Camox for). Current setup on Camox (178 cm) is Salomon MTNs and Scarpa F1 XTs.
I think he had them listed for sale. Im leaning towards a CAST set up as Im pretty sure I can hate fuck anything with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by SoVT Joey
Whaddaya got, Steff?Quote:
Originally Posted by Steffenator
Ya, I understand that, that’s why I have a duke pt on mine. The hate fucking though, good luck with that. Nocta won’t do it. There’s a reason I have two bodacious in my quiver…. Those hate fuck like the Corvus.
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Sadly, these are all my skis. :)
Or were…
I see some Bodacious come through the classifieds from time to time. Hopefully somebody will want to sell a pair post season as long as the bases aren't trashed I might need another pair. I had a pair a few years ago and traded them.....bad idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by SoVT Joey
Thanks for the shoutout Joey! And yes, you're still first in line in case you change your mind...
And Halliday, yes I believe I had these for sale at some point, mounted them, toured them, and now they're on sale again! Nothing wrong with the bindings, I actually really like them, but for how my current quiver is, they will need a new home.
Looking for $325 shipped, the 115 brakes will be included (bent slightly to fit 122)
Or for $375, I can also throw in both the stomp pad/brakeless heel kit and the 135 wide brakes (both new)
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Oh sorry, G3 Zeds! I like them, I've actually got 3 pairs of Zeds mounted. I'm 205lbs without gear, I dont ski super fast, but I love slashes and jumps and drops - and the Zeds hold me in for the most part when cranked to level 13. Do I wish for a little more retention? Sure, I do, but thats the compromise. I go brakeless and use leashes on the decent which I also recommend. Oh and the stomp-pad is critical on the Zed. Without the stomp pad the DIN is effectively half. I might try the ATK Evo15 next year to get that extra retention but for now the Zeds just function so damn nicely as a touring binding.Quote:
Originally Posted by halliday
Ok one thing you need to know about touring on the Nocta... the ultra-low swing makes for improved energy efficiency and comfort on the skin track :) I mean that literally. Its a total delight. I have other skis with "low swing weight" but the Nocta is next level in that regard and you can feel it as soon as you click into the pins and start moving around. Having the weight more-so under your boot and less at the extended parts of the system is a better feeling to walk with and consumes 0.1% less energy. The full rocker profile might also contribute to the effect. Solid as subjective science gets!
Bored, so…quiver pic
189 Daemons, 183 Faction CT 3.0, 185 V2 Noctas….
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my final verdict on Atris 184s is that they are a bit too soft for my liking / to ski a wide set of conditions like I would like them to. So the low tide ski search continues. The next contender will be Sender Free 110s and possibly the new koala103 - time will tell.
I took them out in deep slush and sunbaked variable/kinda corny snow, and I found them to struggle. Not as much as koala103s that were no fun at all - too stiff and light, so just deflects or gets stuck - but woodsman110s were better than both by a fair margin. A slight bump in the Atris' stiffness and weight would probably make them be a fair bit stronger in difficult snow.
Still, I really like them at +1 - very good skis (if no good at all at recommended for bsl 296 imho).
You might want to look at Line Blade Optic 104. Personally I haven't skied them yet, but spent a few days on Blade Optic 96 in 184 and was impressed by their versatility. Very nice combination of weight, side cut, rocker profile and dampness.Quote:
Originally Posted by kid-kapow
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yeah, a blade optic 104 + 114 quiver was def on the radar, but I decided to try blackops118 + sender free 110s instead :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Robik
Time will tell if that was the right call or not - I could've bought a pair of blade optic 114 186s dirt cheap, but passed on them to try blackops instead.
If Atris is too soft, you could possibly give the Solis a try, although the 180 may be too short for you. I use it as my inbound ski (with P15s) and god, does it rip! They share similarities to the Corvus in how they ski but has more pronounced rocker profiles on both ends for floatability. They pivot and smear with ease as they have so little camber (almost none on my 23 model) but can still edge and carve. Given the construction and the long radius, you can also point and shoot with recklessness. Varuste has the 180 size on sale for dirt cheap right now.
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You need to find somebody in your hood with a pair of the last iteration of the 187 (or possibly 181) Down CD104 (not the "L"). I think they'd be just up your alley!Quote:
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my only confusion arises from the fact you haven’t gotten on a Corvus….. unless you have and didn’t disclose it, for some reason I think you might like that for a low tide daily driver. A 183 skis true to length, the 188 is a little more of a handful but rips. I may have just pre-ordered a new 188 last night…..
Yep. Salomon MTN's. No brakes.Quote:
Originally Posted by halliday
Love em.
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Just got these for my 14 year old daughter. She’s gonna be stoked.
Anyone have experience with the new noctas compared to v2? Not sure if they ski short or true to size.
They ski about the same length. So still short. I have the 190’s and they don’t feel that long.Quote:
Originally Posted by kevbed
The new noctas to me ski quite short. I never skied the V2 but they feel much shorter than the 190 Wildcat.Quote:
Originally Posted by kevbed
Yeah I have both of those skis and the WC 190’s feel much much longer. But that was also the case with the V2 Noctas.Quote:
Originally Posted by K1mJ0ngTr1ll
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Originally Posted by TahoeJ
that’s my number one complaint about the nocta, make a longer one. Like a 195 and a 200 and market the 177 to women. Why make a 193 corvus and then not offer a powder ski to compliment it.
196 4frnt Renegades were selling for bacon a couple years back when I was paying more attention. The OG of the side cut matching the radius design as far as I know.
yeah, they could be worthy of a try, but I generally try to look for something slightly more playful in this segment. I have aspirations to learn to ski switch / do some tricks, but somehow always end up on stiff skis that make me afraid to try old man park skiing :)Quote:
Originally Posted by SoVT Joey
Then again I just got some Faction Dancer 3s today. No, it is not a super charger, but the shape and construction seems like fun - time will tell. I got them at > 50% off, so with them returning unchanged (including graphic) for 23/24 it seemed like a no brainer from a catch and release point of view - meaning, giving them a try.
Their shape is a little bit like the Atris, but less tip to tail taper (narrower tips, but wider tails), slightly longer cambered section in the tips ahead of the bindings / longer ee, and obviously quite a bit beefier flex wise. Their mount point is a tad bit further back than the Atris as well.
id be more tempted to buy a heritage labs 200 then a renegade so there are options but I would rather a nocta.Quote:
Originally Posted by Self Jupiter
If anyone sees some navis freebirds or camox freebird on sale lmk. I need to snag something for the wife to start touring on.
Decent price from Powder7 for the Camox FB all sizes for $499 - https://www.powder7.com/Black-Crows-...-New-Flat-2022Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuntmonkey
Navis FB barely gets under $600 right now but this is a decent deal for 169’s: https://www.geartrade.com/item/88428...s-freebird-169
Dang, just waiting for my geartrade account to get signed off on and then I'll see if I can snag those. Cheers!Quote:
Originally Posted by alpinevibes
Got them for $200. BEAUTY!
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I like the ones on the right.Quote:
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