Whatever happened to just 45sec in the microwave?
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Whatever happened to just 45sec in the microwave?
Keep it simple
I wouldn’t go over 20 seconds in the microwave at a time, was also told (not by zipfit) that the microwave doesn’t uniformly warm the OMfit. Meh
Heating shells in convection oven works well if you have thick plastic racing boots. They soak up a lot of heat and transfer to liners but won’t mold the shell in any way. Can combine with quick microwave heating of liners if needed.
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Ha. I destroyed my left liner (literally burned right through one of the ankles both inside and out; smoke everywhere) with some microwave tom-fuckery, I'd heated the right for 20secs. Little warm. Did another 30secs and the ankles were nice and warm and easy to move the OMfit. So figured 20 + 30 and threw the left in for 50secs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Judo Chop!
Huge shout out to the guys are Zipfit for bailing me out. Oh, and all you who believe leather guts are different to neoprene? I've been skiing on one of each (Gara leather on left and surviving Gara neoprene on right) for most of this season and I can only tell a difference putting on and taking off the liner (as we all know the leather is grippy). Skiing them I cannot tell one bit of difference. They feel identical. Maybe if I skied barefoot?
ZF guys figure they gave me the stranded left of the right they gave JE at Blister years ago. They gave him a pair with a one leather and one neoprene so he could see if there was a difference and per ZF he's still skiing that mismatched pair today. If so he clearly feels the same way. I'll have to reach out to him to see if that's true.
I’m one of those guys. This is super interesting. While I tend to stand by my feeling that my now 14 year old leather world cups were a more precise fit (specifically on either side of my achilles), my old technica shells were also a much better fit. I definitely attribute more of the reduction in overall performance to shell fit than going from leather to neoprene. The new Gara is obviously still an awesome liner.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlimFlamvanHam
Glad I picked these up.Quote:
Originally Posted by garuda
Matched with 28.5 Lange RX LV and am kinda blown away. They were already more comfortable than the stock liners after about ~ 45 minutes of wearing them around my house. Put the liners on my heat stacks at work and am standing in them now... Feel damn close to perfect with almost no work, can't wait to ski em. I am guessing I might need a little more cork in the future, but the hold is already amazing. Zero slop and a comfy toe box.
FWIW Zipfit is still not sure what's wrong, but they're taking care of me. If this is happening to anyone else I'd suggest mailing them so they have data on what's happening. I'll update y'all if they figure it out.Quote:
Originally Posted by DigSki
I wrote to them a long time ago, and they've written me a few times over the past several months to tell me that they don't have a clue what is going on, but wanted to keep me in the loop.Quote:
Originally Posted by DigSki
When you say "taking care of you," what exactly does that mean? Keeping you up to date, same as me, or something more decisive.
They told me a few days ago they'd be replacing liners for me. My fit has definitely gotten worse throughout the year, which honestly it had to with how much booger material ended up oozing out. I'd get about a pinky fingernail's worth of boogers coming out every day, which isn't much day to day, but over 100 days ends up being a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Iron Horse
Thanks. Yeah, mine would leak every time I wore them, more on the warmer days. I can't say I'm excited about replacing them. I have invested a lot of money in OmFIT that now resides in those liners.Quote:
Originally Posted by DigSki
But, what you describe makes complete sense. My left boot has been perfect for a long time; the right is like chasing shadows. It could certainly be due to the goo coming out little by little.
Edit: Just occurred to me that I can remove all the OmFIT from the liners. Fortunately have quite a few empty tubes here. A bit of a chore, but nothing difficult.
Question for the zipfit experts. Just got a pair of Gara LVs (26.5) to go with my 26.5 Hawx Ultras. I have (twice) warmed the liners at 150-160 for 20-30min, stuck insoles in and then tried stepping into my boots. Each time I have to pull apart the boot at the crossover (2nd buckle) to be able to jam my foot in there. The zipfits are just bulkier than the stock liners. Once i get it in, things feel ok - definitely some pressure but not bad. The Zipfit online recommendation suggested this was right size pairing w the Hawx. Does this get better with time, or do I need to heat up the shells too? Id rather not as I have already done a couple rounds of molding and boot work to get these boots to work. Id also rather not do this everyday I go skiing!
thanks
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There are some videos online about how to step into your boot w/ liner on, make sure you are doing it correctly. Also, put teflon tape inside your shells. But my best advice is to buy a heated boot bag, then they just slip in like butter and you start every day w/ warm feet.
You mean it is difficult to step into your shell with the liners on your feet? It should get better as you will figure out the best way to do it. I put my resort boot shells in my freezer once and suffice it to say it was next to impossible to get my foot/Gara LV in 'em. I was able to, but it sucked. I could easily be in the ZF Corsa since there is not much room in my boot.
Maybe a little squirt of silicone spray might help you. IDK if silicone spray will fuck up the ZFs, though. I doubt it.
Don’t heat your shells. Run tuct tape or teflon tape on the boot board and up the inside of the cuff. Be sure no to leave edges exposed or they will peel. You can also run tape over the heel of the liner.
Keep your shells and liner decently warm if you can. Foot heater in the car works.
Drop your knee really low to get your toes pointing straight down into the cuff.
I pull my lower shell open as well. Nothing wrong with that.
It will definitely get easier as your technique improves and your shell flexes this way a bunch.
Thanks! Will try thisQuote:
Originally Posted by GoldenBC
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Yes, I typically think: "Knee to the ground!" when doning and doffing.
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I have Corsas in a Lange RS 140.
I definitely have to spread the shell apart with my hands to be able to step in.
I think there’s video out there, but reach both hands down through the upper cuff, then spread the lower clog while stepping in.
Olympic bookworks puts some sort of fantastic hockey tape across the heel of all their zipfits. Doesn't seem to wear, extends the life of the zipfits quite a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenBC
I have your exact setup, 26.5 Gara LVs with 26.5 Hawx Ultras. I use the technique described above (knee nearly to ground) and with my hands, spread the clog above the second buckle. I struggled at first and didn't think I'd ever be able to do it but now that I've figured it out and have the muscle memory for the technique it's easy. I have not added any tape or spray to reduce friction. Super happy with the fit and setup.
Here's a good video of the technique (ignore the mod suggestions): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUli9WRIh0A
Gives me another reason to work on my knee flexion after ACL surgery this year!Quote:
Originally Posted by NT
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Question for those who have worked with Zipfit's more than me... Adding cork for more "heel hold", is there a time you add to the heel pocket rather than the tongue? I've got the slightest amount of heel lift after half a dozen days in these new to me Gara Stealth's. Zipfit had a video that says to add to the middle of the tongue first, but I am thinking this might be easier to fix by adding slightly to the ankle area. Probably hard to describe over the internet, but it feel like my achilles is a bit loose and I can lift my heel 5mm or so. Start by adding half a tube of cork to the tongue and go from there? Any other insights? Thanks!
I always added to the tongue until almost all lift was gone, then locked in the left/right movement with the ankle/heel pockets.
Adding to the heel area first can easily push you forward.
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Anybody running garas in a 3 piece? My bootfitter was adamant that I should put the liner IN the shell then step in.
I've got a little work to do on one side of the liner where my lateral malleous is - kind of have a friction burn feeling when I put boot on edge.
I have the same boot (Rossignol Hero 140) and stuff the Gara LV into it.Quote:
Originally Posted by J. Barron DeJong
Weird. We looked at that, but there was no way it was happening, and my foot is quite narrow and low volume.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eastside
The Gara LV was massively bulky compared to the stock liner.
Edit: Just looked at the Rossi and it’s not identical to the Lange RS 140. The Rossi is listed as 97mm last, but the Lange is 95mm. Also, the Lange comes with a lace up liner, same as their full on race boots, whereas the Rossi has a traditional liner.
Definitely coming out of different molds, and look how much narrower the Lange forefoot is:
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Hero 140 looks like it comes out of the same mold as the RS 130 LV:
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Stunt monkey,
No. Keep the liner on your foot. 99% of the time this is the way to go. It is very easy to step into 3 piece boots. Just be aware that you need to drop your knee and point your toe vertically. If you allow your toes to move forward to early, your foot could get snagged in the opening of the cabrio.
I have the same boot (Rossignol Hero 140) and stuff the Gara LV into it.Quote:
Originally Posted by J. Barron DeJong
^^^Quote:
Originally Posted by Eastside
Now you’re just messing with me.
Hmm. I figured they were more or less the same boots. Anyway, my liner is snuggie in the Hero shell for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by J. Barron DeJong
Help! Could use some input on a frustrating issue I've been dealing with in my Garas:
I can't get the flex in my boots to feel the same. The left boot has a perfect flex - easy to get into the front of the boot and reliably bears weight on the shin, no shinbang, very reliable feeling. The right boot, however, feels much harder to get into the flex of the boot - much stiffer initial feeling, and worse shinbang.
Both zipfits have the same amount of cork in them - is this a distribution issue? need more cork in the right liner? less? the boots in question are shadow LV 130s. Any input would be welcome.
Your right heel back in the heel pocket the same?
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Curious if I'm the only one that wishes for a replaceable tongue for my Gara's. I'd love to run a Atomic tongue and have cork everywhere else. I feel like the cork squishes out of the lower shin where I need it to stay.
I would like the tongue to have two compartments for cork so it can’t migrate. Try doing your buckles up top down and then don’t over tighten your middle two buckles. I think it helps.
Yep I've had this same thought and problem. I've glued some foam to the outside of the lower tongue on mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by SnowMachine
yeah, they're both well seated in the heel pocket. cork distribution around both heels feels the same too.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2FUNKY
Interesting. Im not a zipfit versed dude as last season was my first in them but had a similar feeling. Reheated and made sure to smash my heel in and it corrected the issue. Hopefully you find an answer, very frustrating for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by flyingskiguy
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I have the same wish. Keeping top buckle tight(er) seems to help some; still have to move the cork back down regularly, especially after warm days. Not sure additional cork would help or hurt.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenBC
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https://images.app.goo.gl/nxx8sWK92SQeneTp7Quote:
Originally Posted by ASmileyFace
if this link works, the pocket on the left is what your ankle bladder looks like, with some tube manipulation you can "place" the cork in one of the zones depending where you need it
i was able to add 1/4 tube to each of the top chambers after about 250 days just to snug the ankle up