You must really live in a bubble if you've never even heard of Kelly Clarkson. Great if it works for you. Personally I like to know what's going on in the world, and that includes some pop culture.Quote:
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You must really live in a bubble if you've never even heard of Kelly Clarkson. Great if it works for you. Personally I like to know what's going on in the world, and that includes some pop culture.Quote:
Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn
I read AP NEWS most mornings and listen to NPR. Pop culture is overrated in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by yeahman
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You seemed fine when we hung out.Quote:
Originally Posted by byates1
I got to get back over that way! I'll be Indy Pass road tripping all of March so may get some hoodoo in my life
I had zero idea who Kelly Clarkson was until this thread. I had heard the name over the years, but I assumed it was a dude. No idea music was involved, I figured sports, maybe NFL.Quote:
Originally Posted by yeahman
Add another who didn’t know who Kelly Clarkson is. But I don’t think I’ve ever heard a Taylor Swift song either.
That would be cool. SchralphMaccio is a regular camper at le ‘DooQuote:
Originally Posted by byates1
Keep me posted
me tooQuote:
Originally Posted by TBS
and I’m on FB but don’t do any real mainstream media - no TV for over 30 years
“Drinking causes drinking. Heavy drinking causes heavy drinking. Light drinking causes light drinking.
The reason to moderate is to avoid having to quit, thus losing a pleasure that’s been with us forever.
We don’t have much freedom in this life and it is self-cruelty to lose a piece of what we have because we are unable to control our craving.
In drinking, as in everything else, the path is the way. What you get in life is what you organize for yourself every day.
There is an ocean of available wisdom from Lao-tzu to Jung to Rilke. It’s there in a preposterous quantity. If you drink way too much it will kill you and the souls of those around you.
If you moderate you can have a nice life.”
— Jim Harrison
Only ppl who don't think at all, ever about moderating are going to have a nice life. They already are, they are normys.
If a small part of you is always waiting for Friday afternoon, that's just consternation inside..
I only know who she is because she bought a huge ranch outside of town. Electrician buddy got to drive her 250k fully restored early bronco.
/thread drift
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Is is out by my former in-laws on the 2T Ranch ?Quote:
Originally Posted by lifelinksplit
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The problem with moderation is most alcoholics feel worse after JUST one or two drinks than they do with NONE. It's 6+ or nothing. Yet we keep trying to convince ourselves that one or two will be fine.
Ya, doable, but just more miserable agony wanting more than when I just have nothing.
If one or two works most if the time and you're not wishing you could have another you're probably not an alcoholic
Can't remember but I think it was either the Old Mungus ranch or the property across from them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Harry
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it appears a post that was advocating for drinking 'in moderation' has been deleted -
also, I would strongly contest the claim that only having ' one or two drinks most of the time' is Not alcoholic behavior.
it is my understanding Alcoholism is a dependence on alcohol, independent of quantity ( a matter of psychological Want, or one's belief they "need a drink" ) -
Not every alcoholic drinks to intoxication , but by definition every alcoholic has a dependence on alcohol.
My Congratulations to any who are successfully sober - Congratulations.
I have three friends who are presently facing this (struggle) , and
I have lost four friends to alcohol.
I do not believe history will view this era ( and it is a long era ) kindly.
Good luck.
peace. skiJ
moderation is socially acceptable -
A self-assessment I would encourage, is, the next time one considers having 'one or two drinks' , see if you can go a week or a month ( or longer ) Without those drinks
( tomorrow doesn't pass my 'smell test' ).
IF one decides, it's okay - Because I am Only going to have two -
... talk with the person in the mirror.
Good luck.
SkiJ it’s still here
I certainly can’t and won’t advocate drinking in moderation - it doesn’t work for meQuote:
Originally Posted by ~mikey b
that’s just something one person wrote
what I can identify with is that it’s a bummer to lose the pleasure of drinking good beer
Alcoholism ( speaking from 24 years continuous sobriety in recovery working with other alcoholics every week) isn't how often you do or don/t drink. It's what happens when you do drink.. even if it's been a year since your last drink.
If 1-2 leaves you craving more instead of totally content for the rest of the day (or week) that's the indication of the problem.
yeah I’d love a beer or six
I saw yours ~mikey. I think there was another post, too. ( initially either right before, or right after yours. someone claiming, they were good - in moderation, with two drinks. )
My claim is, IF they can't go without those two drinks, that is at least a warning sign. "moderation" may not be freedom from alcoholism.
Just up thread - average treatments to Sobriety (?) Five -
That's Not a good success rate.
My point - PLEASE Be careful ! "moderation" is a trap.
Thank you. skiJ
And Again -
not all alcoholism follows the same pattern
( I would claim every case has unique attributes
( I have known alcoholics that only needed two drinks a night - And they needed those two drinks, five nights every week )
They were not drinking to intoxication ;
they were drinking to effect.
One's too many and a hundred isn't enough..
I've got nothing for you but my heartfelt condolences. I know how hard these situations are for friends and family. I hope you and your brother have the best of outcomes.Quote:
Originally Posted by ötzi
I wish my best friend had wanted to live. [emoji25]Quote:
Originally Posted by SumJongGuy
Alcohol is the devil. Hate the way it's so normalized in everyday life.
yeah it bothers me with the ski industry and culture
Yeah, I was married to old man Mungas’ daughter. I have zero contact now, they sold their ranch ?Quote:
Originally Posted by lifelinksplit
edit: looks like it. That ranch could have been mine. She was a hard core alcoholic and I started going to Al-anon meeting by myself just to try and make sense of things. Being married to an alcoholic was like living inside a tornado. I loved that ranch, but I divorced her to get my life back. Crazy seeing it for sale.
https://fayranches.com/property/mungas-ranch-montana/
Hey all. Jackson bartender for five years, I probably know some of you in real life but haven’t put internet names to faces. Realized awhile ago that I can’t live my life how I want when I’m drinking, but also love spirits and wine and cocktails in a professional and passionate way.
A good dive bar that is just slow enough and about to be too busy is nirvana. A simple cocktail with attention to detail is art… a shitty beer after is hard day might as well be medicine.
But I’m over it. I don’t heal, I get fat, I get angry, my brain doesn’t work anymore, my knees hurt more than they need to. But I can’t seem to stop for more than a week.
I’m working with a therapist, and my family is in my corner. I’m not sure what to name it yet, or what my goal is, but this seems like the right place. Mostly because this is also the community that I’d never think I’d open up to.
welcome bud
WTF, did somebody delete their line? Because it hit me hard and I've been waiting to read it for a solid decade. It hit me hard--
I think I know who it was, but I have no intention to start a delete-debate.
Anyway- you wrote something like; "Not having one is easier than having just one."
Sometimes it's the one-liners that make sense. I know who you are, and I'll reach out to you soon. Maybe.
Just know that we all need subtle language to help us find clarity. Like my ski coaches screaming for years; "Lean Forward!!!" When what they meant was; "Push on the front of your boot."
It's one sentence, and it's game-changing.
Yes... not having one is easier than having just one.
And yes, it’s obvious after it’s said, we all know it to be true, but there is a brilliance in being concise that humans have turned into an art form. Some call it poetry.
It's "simple" but it's not "easy". Don't drink. Go to meetings instead. That's really all you have to do to get started taking your life back.Quote:
Originally Posted by gaijin
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This is at the heart of every silly argument I've had with my wife.Quote:
Originally Posted by gaijin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezVib_giTFoQuote:
Originally Posted by riser4
Everybody’s different. I’ve quit a few times over the years, and these are some things I think helped me. First, as was kind of mentioned, don’t think about never having another drink. Just decide that drinking isn’t for you today. Keep challenging yourself to make it a little longer. Can you do a month? A year?Quote:
Originally Posted by Get.Kronk
If you can do three months you’ll really be surprised. Your brain actually works different. It’s like your body’s memory isn’t longer than 12 weeks, so without the subtle little cravings you’ll feel a lot better.
Not everyone on here will probably agree, but the single biggest help for me has been meditation. I trained in Transcendental Meditation although I don’t practice it exactly how it’s recommended. It generally helps me be much more present, let go of thoughts that don’t serve me, let go of attachment, shame, embarrassment for thoughts that I’m unattached to. It goes a long way for me, in helping me recognize when anxiety builds so I can identify triggers and decide how to deal. When I started dealing with bigger problems I could find peace, rest, relax, engage and enjoy my life without needing that pressure release of “checking out” with a few drinks.
Whether that helps or not, congrats on taking the first steps and I know I can speak for everyone in this thread and say reach out. On this thread, through PM’s or exchange phone numbers. No one has all the answers but don’t limit how you get support. If someone just cheers you up and makes you laugh, that can go a long way. There are a ton of data points, you can open up a dimension to your life that doesn’t seem possible when you really step into who you genuinely are. No masks, no bullshit.
^^^LIKE^^^
^x2. Good stuff..
Avalanche Hour Podcast - sobriety episode
I listened to that yesterday and I thought it was fucking fantastic. Mad respect to all of those guys for opening up. That will change some people's lives
Thanks for that; I appreciated and enjoyed the listen.Quote:
Originally Posted by cdubski
Have to check that out. Drinking and ski patrolling go together like peanut butter and jelly.
Was watching a You-tube on what happens to your body when you quit alcohol and I'm intrigued and giving it a shot, mainly to help with B/P and liver function.
Nice work folks, drinking less is never bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bunion 2020
For the " ALL OR NOTHGING" Crowd let people bringthemselves to the table as they can as Foggy polinted out.
I started tracking my drinks and it is/was eye opening.
Down to 6- 7 a week with 3-4 dry days from 20ish a week daily drinker in May and the results are clear in Liver Function and BP as well as general better life, weight loss & no black outs.
Booze is a poison but a cultural mainstay and I do appreciate it now when I do choose to imbibe whether that is ONE cocktail, or A glass of wine with dinner, or A coldbeer after skiing, outside work. Just stopped keeping going and mindlessly going right for it after/with everything.
NA beers have gotten very good and I find substitutes for other times.
Again, when I do drink, its worth it and I track it