New Foot Scanner App

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Originally Posted by optics

Hey Greg - curious what you think about my foot as a candidate for the new hawx 130 pro.

My feet changed a lot a couple of years ago - I've aways been a cab guy but spent all of last season trying to tweak my way into a lupo without success. Can't get the right combo of heel hold, accommodation for my very duck-toed natural stance, and I end up with either a too-loose fit or a lot of pain around the tendons near my 5th met base. Punches, properly-done intuition, and footbeds...still a problem.

Seems like the new hawx system could be the fix. See any red flags on my scan for that option?

I would do this with a fitter obviously, just curious on your professional opinion. Thanks! :yourock:

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If you get a Hawx Professional, make sure it is the Ultra - from what I can see you have a very narrow foot structure except at the fifth met heads and heel. A big part of heel hold is actually fitting the midfoot and lower ankle properly, and the Hawx Ultra is the best in the industry for narrow ankles (hard to get a true picture without being able to manipulate the image, and obviously I can tell you much more if your foot and leg are in front of me).

I'm super stoked on the Atomic Professional liners, especially for those with narrower heels or a big differential between heel width and achilles/lower leg width. For those cases, it is possible to "overpump" the liner (use 28.5 worth of PU foam rather than 27.5, for instance). I did this on mine with a larger than average ankle and the boots ski incredibly well - it's almost painful to get my heel in the boot (foam is pretty hard) but once on they are money.

I would suggest heat molding the shells and doing any necessary additional punches before you inject the liners if you can. As always, the help of a good bootfitter goes a long ways. Good luck!

Thank you sir!

Hey Greg - Long time TGR lurker but haven't posted. I sent my verifyt to the QR from mattcooksb Gmail. Currently in a Mach 1 130 LV 28.5 (too stiff ), and a 28.5 X-Max 120 (too soft, too much volume in ankle) before that. Both are big toe crushers with maybe <8mm shell fit. I'd love to get into a 29.5 with something like a Mimic Professional liner or zipfit for the sake of my big toes. Not sure if this is an option with my ultra narrow feet or any other combo you might recommend.

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Originally Posted by MCooker

Hey Greg - Long time TGR lurker but haven't posted. I sent my verifyt to the QR from mattcooksb Gmail. Currently in a Mach 1 130 LV 28.5 (too stiff ), and a 28.5 X-Max 120 (too soft, too much volume in ankle) before that. Both are big toe crushers with maybe <8mm shell fit. I'd love to get into a 29.5 with something like a Mimic Professional liner or zipfit for the sake of my big toes. Not sure if this is an option with my ultra narrow feet or any other combo you might recommend.

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I'll ask my usual question: Do you have access to good bootfitting? If so, stick with a 28.5 and punch the big toes for an extra 4-5mm of length (12mm shell fit should be doable) and yes, the Hawx Ultra 130 Professional would be a good bet for the narrow ankles both in terms of cuff diameter and ability of the liner to fill excess space around the ankle. If no, a 29.5 Hawx Ultra will be 2mm wider in the forefoot (not just the forefoot, it will be roomier everywhere) than the 28.5 X-Max but have a narrower cuff.

Edited to add: The other option (assuming this is a lift-served-only boot) is to look at a plug boot with a 92-93mm last and do an injected liner like the Professional or a Zipfit. You'll likely need some punches at the fifth met head, and an experienced bootfitter to soften the boot up to your tastes (a 130 race boot is a bit stiffer than a 130 recreational boot). Good candidates would be the Atomic Redster STI Professional or the Lange RS ZA. In this case you could probably go up to 29.5 without sacrificing ankle/midfoot fit. Softening the boot is a bit of a process and might take a few tries until its right, and you'll still have a plug (i.e. slippery) sole unless you plane it and add rubber.

Hey Greg!
finally got the chance to use the app as I start my search for potentially some new boots.
I'm currently in a 27.5 boot (K2 Mindbender 130) which I got "fitted" for a couple years ago. I'm touring predominantly now, so I'm looking to get into more of a tech boot. Hoping you can help me understand my measurements and what I'm experiencing with my current boots, which I feel like can be a lack of length and last width.

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L: Length: 27.2 Width: 10.8 Heel Width: 6.8 Instep: 7.6
R: Length: 26.9 Width: 11.1 Heel Width: 7.0 Instep: 8.0

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Originally Posted by rockymtn

Hey Greg!
finally got the chance to use the app as I start my search for potentially some new boots.
I'm currently in a 27.5 boot (K2 Mindbender 130) which I got "fitted" for a couple years ago. I'm touring predominantly now, so I'm looking to get into more of a tech boot. Hoping you can help me understand my measurements and what I'm experiencing with my current boots, which I feel like can be a lack of length and last width.

Measurements:
L: Length: 27.2 Width: 10.8 Heel Width: 6.8 Instep: 7.6
R: Length: 26.9 Width: 11.1 Heel Width: 7.0 Instep: 8.0

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Did you share your scan data using the QR code? If so, what email address did you use - I can tell a lot more by actually looking at and manipulating your images. How light a tech boot are you looking for?

Just from the numbers, your insteps are very tall for your foot length (normal range for a 27.5 is 67 to 72mm), so unless the bootfitter did something extraordinary you are probably losing circulation and your feet are getting numb and cold.

Shared, email address initials are TM. Thanks, appreciate your help.
I definitely struggle from numb feet, big time.


A bit lighter for big touring missions (~2,000M elevation), but at 93 KG I can only do so much. Hoping to narrow down some brands and what I should be looking for in last and instep. Strong skiier.

Was thinking about a Blizz 130 or Dynafit 130, but for no real reason other than they are lighter than my K2 which are neither comfy or durable right now for bigger touring missions.

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Originally Posted by rockymtn

Shared, email address initials are TM. Thanks, appreciate your help.
I definitely struggle from numb feet, big time.


A bit lighter for big touring missions (~2,000M elevation), but at 93 KG I can only do so much. Hoping to narrow down some brands and what I should be looking for in last and instep. Strong skiier.

Was thinking about a Blizz 130 or Dynafit 130, but for no real reason other than they are lighter than my K2 which are neither comfy or durable right now for bigger touring missions.

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Just looked at your images - yeah, tall instep and it's located far forward as well. At 93 kilos I don't think you want to drop below 1300 to 1500 grams, and you'll need some bootfitting help with the instep and width at the forefoot. I'd say stick with a 27.5 and try an Atomic Hawx Prime XTD 130 or a Tecnica (I think you mean this when you say "Blizz") Zero G Tour Pro. The Atomic will probably work with a thorough heat mold with foam over the instep, the Tecnica is lighter but requires more bootfitter skill to raise the instep.

Hey Greg- I've been posting with you here about my issues with the Atomic Hawk Prime 110 and my instep. I tried on a K2 Recon 100 27.5 and found it to be better on the instep. Toe box is tighter at the top, and the heel may be a tad looser, but its snug forefoot wise. Anyway, I wondered about your thoughts on switching to the Recon. Is it actually larger on the instep or was that a function of going down in flex a bit? I can tell that the liner is thinner and does not have the stiffer plastic around the calf and instep, so I wonder if that's part of it too. K2 does not have a 110, and I'm a bit nervous that the 120 may be too much and the 100 may not be enough boot as well. But, it's lighter and feels like it fits better, at least out of the box. Thanks again for your advice for those of us without good local bootfitting.

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Originally Posted by DerKommissar

Hey Greg- I've been posting with you here about my issues with the Atomic Hawk Prime 110 and my instep. I tried on a K2 Recon 100 27.5 and found it to be better on the instep. Toe box is tighter at the top, and the heel may be a tad looser, but its snug forefoot wise. Anyway, I wondered about your thoughts on switching to the Recon. Is it actually larger on the instep or was that a function of going down in flex a bit? I can tell that the liner is thinner and does not have the stiffer plastic around the calf and instep, so I wonder if that's part of it too. K2 does not have a 110, and I'm a bit nervous that the 120 may be too much and the 100 may not be enough boot as well. But, it's lighter and feels like it fits better, at least out of the box. Thanks again for your advice for those of us without good local bootfitting.

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K2 Recon MV boots run soft and roomy, so if you're foot says it's better I'd say listen to it. A 120 K2 is probably similar in flex to a 110 Hawx Prime. The Recons also heat mold well, so heat the shell and do the foam over the instep thing to get the best results.

Thanks- I really appreciate the feedback. I'll give the Recon 120 MV a shot. I also tried a 28.5 Hawx Prime 110. It solved the instep but there was way too much room when doing a shell fit. Still felt good in the heel and forefoot, I think once the liner packs a bit it would be pretty sloppy.

Posting for my brother since he doesn’t want to make a TGR account but keeps striking out with his touring boots.

Stats:

Age: 30
Ability: “recreational” Expert (Some freeride camps as a kid, no racing)
Days skied / season: 50ish (Touring about half of those)
Home Resort: Whistler. Most touring in slackcountry and bigger days up the Duffey.

Looking For: A pure touring boot. Driving a moment Wildcat 108 Tour with ATK’s. We do some rocky scrambles and sketchy boot packs, so a full touring sole is very appreciated.

Foot Measurements relayed by iMessage:

L Length: 253 mm
L Heel: 62 mm
L Instep: 71mm
L Width: 98 mm

R Length: 250 mm
R Heel: 65 mm
R Instep: 72 mm
R Width: 99mm

Current Alpine Boot: 24.5 Promachine from FanatykCo. Says it’s about a 8-10mm shell fit. Some work done to accommodate his high instep. Some liner work done too (instep window). He needs boot heaters to prevent frostnip even with all the work, but says they ski well for him.

He found his old 25.5 Lupo 130 C’s OK, but hated the pfaff associated with the removable tongue and the grip walk soles. We have a ton of choice for fitters here in Whistler, but he’s looking for opinions on particular models he should seek out to try on.

If Promachine is resort boot of choice and he needs full sole with some instep relief, then the Lange would be the choice IMO. Tecnica will be tight on instep but bootboard can be ground fair bit.

I run a ZGTP and have told him about my instep woes. His feet are a bit shorter than mine, but also a bit wider.

I was asking about the Lange for myself in another thread. Finally got a chance to try them on in person but wasn’t overly impressed with the tour mode once I dropped my intuitions in to the shells. Felt like a 50/50 boot. Maybe he’ll have a different experience.

When I asked if there were other details he wanted to provide he said his feet tend to get pretty cold in narrow lasted boots. Shops like escape route in town have steered him towards a Maestrale RS in the past - just not sure how well versed their boot fitter is. Might just be a case of them selling what they have in stock that fits OOTB. He seems to think if he tried to walk for 5-6 hours in a fit like his Promachine he’d probably lose some nails and get frostbite.

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Originally Posted by Bamski

Posting for my brother since he doesn’t want to make a TGR account but keeps striking out with his touring boots.

Stats:

Age: 30
Ability: “recreational” Expert (Some freeride camps as a kid, no racing)
Days skied / season: 50ish (Touring about half of those)
Home Resort: Whistler. Most touring in slackcountry and bigger days up the Duffey.

Looking For: A pure touring boot. Driving a moment Wildcat 108 Tour with ATK’s. We do some rocky scrambles and sketchy boot packs, so a full touring sole is very appreciated.

Foot Measurements relayed by iMessage:

L Length: 253 mm
L Heel: 62 mm
L Instep: 71mm
L Width: 98 mm

R Length: 250 mm
R Heel: 65 mm
R Instep: 72 mm
R Width: 99mm

Current Alpine Boot: 24.5 Promachine from FanatykCo. Says it’s about a 8-10mm shell fit. Some work done to accommodate his high instep. Some liner work done too (instep window). He needs boot heaters to prevent frostnip even with all the work, but says they ski well for him.

He found his old 25.5 Lupo 130 C’s OK, but hated the pfaff associated with the removable tongue and the grip walk soles. We have a ton of choice for fitters here in Whistler, but he’s looking for opinions on particular models he should seek out to try on.

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It would help if you could get him to download the app and share the data with me, as others in the thread have done. With numbers alone, I can't see his relative instep contours and fore/aft placement of the tallest portion of the instep. I also can't see the relative width of forefoot and midfoot without the images.

The guys I've met at FanatykCo are very good; what do they recommend? I typically don't like to recommend anything to anyone without at least a scan, and preferably seeing their foot in person - and that implies I can work on the boot with my tools in my shop.

As you probably realize, the options in touring boots under 1500 grams that tour well and can drive a wider ski are very limited. Since he probably needs a 24.5 and has the instep of a person with a 27.5 foot, you should look for a boot/bootfitter with "increased instep height potential" whether that means heating and re-forming the instep manually, grinding the bootboard, whatever.

PS Coldness/numbness is almost always a product of instep pressure, not necessarily low volume in general (there is also genetic propensity toward poor circulation, poor sock choice, calf pressure, etc.)

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It would help if you could get him to download the app and share the data with me, as others in the thread have done. With numbers alone, I can't see his relative instep contours and fore/aft placement of the tallest portion of the instep. I also can't see the relative width of forefoot and midfoot without the images.

The guys I've met at FanatykCo are very good; what do they recommend? I typically don't like to recommend anything to anyone without at least a scan, and preferably seeing their foot in person - and that implies I can work on the boot with my tools in my shop.

As you probably realize, the options in touring boots under 1500 grams that tour well and can drive a wider ski are very limited. Since he probably needs a 24.5 and has the instep of a person with a 27.5 foot, you should look for a boot/bootfitter with "increased instep height potential" whether that means heating and re-forming the instep manually, grinding the bootboard, whatever.

PS Coldness/numbness is almost always a product of instep pressure, not necessarily low volume in general (there is also genetic propensity toward poor circulation, poor sock choice, calf pressure, etc.)

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Thanks Greg. I’ll tell him to follow the guide. I think one of the FCo fitters off hand mentioned that the Radical Pro fits the instep / wider forefoot - but he doesn’t sell Dynafit.

Our insteps are a familial curse it seems.

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Originally Posted by Bamski

Thanks Greg. I’ll tell him to follow the guide. I think one of the FCo fitters off hand mentioned that the Radical Pro fits the instep / wider forefoot - but he doesn’t sell Dynafit.

Our insteps are a familial curse it seems.

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Well, the Radical Pro does have a fairly relaxed instep, but it's loose everywhere else, too. In addition, it doesn't have a bootboard, just an adhesive rubber layer under the liner so there's nothing to grind (fewer options when it comes to making more instep room). If you have a decently stiff and thin footbed you can remove the rubber mat and just go without, though.

Stupid question since I know this is the informal "ask gregL" thread:

I bought a pair of cheap mondo 25 zipfits last season and attempted to ski in 26 shell (Lange RS 140) with them for a while, as an experiment. They felt pretty good everywhere except the forefoot area, where there just wasn't enough volume. The top of my foot started to hurt after a few days and I shelved the idea until the next season.

Is there a way to add volume to that area, or am I trying to fit a square peg in a round hole? I did try stacking a bit of duct tape to add volume, but it tended to unstick itself.

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Originally Posted by Brasso

Stupid question since I know this is the informal "ask gregL" thread:

I bought a pair of cheap mondo 25 zipfits last season and attempted to ski in 26 shell (Lange RS 140) with them for a while, as an experiment. They felt pretty good everywhere except the forefoot area, where there just wasn't enough volume. The top of my foot started to hurt after a few days and I shelved the idea until the next season.

Is there a way to add volume to that area, or am I trying to fit a square peg in a round hole? I did try stacking a bit of duct tape to add volume, but it tended to unstick itself.

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Am I missing something? Adding duct tape anywhere inside the shell will decrease volume, not increase it. You want more room, right? The basics are generally: grind the bootboard, grind the footbed, cut material out of the liner. Pretty hard to actually raise the roof of the forefoot without destroying the already marginal Lange water seal . . .

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Originally Posted by gregL

Am I missing something? Adding duct tape anywhere inside the shell will decrease volume, not increase it. You want more room, right? The basics are generally: grind the bootboard, grind the footbed, cut material out of the liner. Pretty hard to actually raise the roof of the forefoot without destroying the already marginal Lange water seal . . .

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Sorry, I realize now I worded that confusingly. I mean to say that the liners did not take up enough volume, e.g. there is a bit of dead space between the liner and the shell.

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Originally Posted by Brasso

Sorry, I realize now I worded that confusingly. I mean to say that the liners did not take up enough volume, e.g. there is a bit of dead space between the liner and the shell.

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I think self-adhesive foam is a better bet than duct tape.

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I think self-adhesive foam is a better bet than duct tape.

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That looks good, I'll give that a try. Thanks!

Hey Greg - I just finished reading through all 22 pages of this thread. There is some great stuff in here. The advice you have given is awesome.

I have attached my scans. I tried to share via the QR link, but keep getting an error (see below). If there is a another way to share, let me know. I am currently in a heat molded K2 Recon MV 120i n 25.5 and while it fits ok, it's not great. Tight in the toes, but does not feel snug in the heel and I have to over-tighten the third buckle to feel somewhat locked in. I have added some padding to help lock the heel better, but think I want a new boot. My previous boot was a Salomon X-Max 120 in a 25.5 and was best fitting boot ever. Felt really locked in. It had to be heat molded, and had the boot board and footbed ground down some to relieve pressure on the instep to keep my toes from losing circulation. It felt long for a 25.5, which was great.

I am intrigued by what I have read about the Salomon S/Pro Alpha. Is this a good option? It's my understanding that they raised the instep height compared to the S/Max, which I found in the instep to very low compared to the X-Max and Recon. The other I have been considering is the Atomic Hawx Ultra.

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Hey Greg - I just finished reading through all 22 pages of this thread. There is some great stuff in here. The advice you have given is awesome.

I have attached my scans. I tried to share via the QR link, but keep getting an error (see below). If there is a another way to share, let me know. I am currently in a heat molded K2 Recon MV 120i n 25.5 and while it fits ok, it's not great. Tight in the toes, but does not feel snug in the heel and I have to over-tighten the third buckle to feel somewhat locked in. I have added some padding to help lock the heel better, but think I want a new boot. My previous boot was a Salomon X-Max 120 in a 25.5 and was best fitting boot ever. Felt really locked in. It had to be heat molded, and had the boot board and footbed ground down some to relieve pressure on the instep to keep my toes from losing circulation. It felt long for a 25.5, which was great.

I am intrigued by what I have read about the Salomon S/Pro Alpha. Is this a good option? It's my understanding that they raised the instep height compared to the S/Max, which I found in the instep to very low compared to the X-Max and Recon. The other I have been considering is the Atomic Hawx Ultra.

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Yes, I think either the S/Pro Alpha or Hawx Ultra XTD would be good (possibly the best) bets in a recreational boot - it depends on large part on the circumference of your ankles, but the cross section looks narrow (I can't see above the maleoli) and these are the two snuggest fitting cuffs on the market currently. You shouldn't have to grind the bootboard on either (the Hawx Ultra is a tad higher) for instep clearance if you do a good heat mold with some foam over the cuneiforms.

The main question is whether you can drop to a 25.5 with perhaps a little toe punch on the left foot.

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I recently rescanned my feet and am curious as to what boots I should be looking into? I've skied Lange RX130 LV boots for years without any trouble, but am starting to be other brand curious...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...03daaf694d.jpg

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i really need to see more information (and preferably your ankle and calf as well) before recommending specific boot models - the data from one foot without being able to turn the image to see toe shape and instep contours is pretty meager. If you can post screen shots of both feet from overhead and the side, or link to my Verifyt business account so I can look at the images on a big monitor and manipulate them it would help. The previous poster indicates something might be wrong with the QR code a few pages back, let me know if it works for you. If not PM me with your real email address and I will send you the current QR code - it seems no one in our company is using Verifyt as a remote bootfitting tool except me now, so there may be other issues.

That said, if you've been happy with a Lange LV 97mm last in the past, the boots have only gotten better. Unless some other company is offering to pay you to use their product, I don't see much incentive to change. Note: the RX boots will see a drastic change for '23-'24, so it might be worth waiting.

Is the XT3 also going to change significantly for '23-'24?

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i really need to see more information (and preferably your ankle and calf as well) before recommending specific boot models - the data from one foot without being able to turn the image to see toe shape and instep contours is pretty meager. If you can post screen shots of both feet from overhead and the side, or link to my Verifyt business account so I can look at the images on a big monitor and manipulate them it would help. The previous poster indicates something might be wrong with the QR code a few pages back, let me know if it works for you. If not PM me with your real email address and I will send you the current QR code - it seems no one in our company is using Verifyt as a remote bootfitting tool except me now, so there may be other issues.

That said, if you've been happy with a Lange LV 97mm last in the past, the boots have only gotten better. Unless some other company is offering to pay you to use their product, I don't see much incentive to change. Note: the RX boots will see a drastic change for '23-'24, so it might be worth waiting.

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Okay, where is the QR code so I can try to scan it to link your account?

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Okay, where is the QR code so I can try to scan it to link your account?

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Shoot me a PM with your email address and I will send it to you.

I've also posted it a few times in this thread but you'll have to go back a bit to find it.

Thanks Greg. I appreciate this.

Greg, what instep height numbers do you see as likely to need significant work for a 27.5 boot? Obviously depends on the boot but say for a medium to slightly higher instep boot like a Cochise ?

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Greg, what instep height numbers do you see as likely to need significant work for a 27.5 boot? Obviously depends on the boot but say for a medium to slightly higher instep boot like a Cochise ?

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I consider a range of 67mm to 72mm "average" - above that may need work depending on thickness of footbed, etc. but the bootboard is easy to grind.

Hey Greg!

I would love to get your thoughts on my feet and possible boot recs. I mainly have issues with my extremely low instep on my left foot.

I'm currently in Atomic Hawx Ultra XTD 130 25.5. I was fitted at a reputable boot shop in Tahoe (Start Haus) but I'm afraid I'm in too big of a boot, especially on the instep. Currently, I am running Zipfit Gara's with a lot of added cork (particularly in the tongue in my left boot), Sidas custom insoles, boosters, and 3 mm Bontex shims on each boot. I have 5th met punches on both boots due to the shims. My right foot actually feel pretty good, but I've always had problems with the left foot. I think the amount of cork added has created an unforgiving fit, and it's not uniformly snug everywhere.

Other info: my right foot has a low arch, and my left foot is close to flat (no arch).

I was thinking that 24.5 S/Max w/ Zipfits might be OK, with some punches in the toebox, but wondering if there are other boots I should consider or even lower volume boots (95-96mm range). I actually used to have a pair of 24.5 X Max (which I've heard had the lowest instep) with Bootdoc foam liners (no foam in tongue), but they killed my toes because A) the liners were way too short despite stretching and B) I didn't punch the toebox for more space. I still had space over my left foot instep and in the ankle (didn't try shims).

I will also send a PM with my email so I can send you my full scan. I took multiple scans, and there seemed to be notable variance between measurements.

Thank you!

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Greg, what instep height numbers do you see as likely to need significant work for a 27.5 boot? Obviously depends on the boot but say for a medium to slightly higher instep boot like a Cochise ?

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If you are still getting instep pressure with a Cochise and are looking for a hybrid boot, try a Hawx Prime XTD.

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Hey Greg!

I would love to get your thoughts on my feet and possible boot recs. I mainly have issues with my extremely low instep on my left foot.

I'm currently in Atomic Hawx Ultra XTD 130 25.5. I was fitted at a reputable boot shop in Tahoe (Start Haus) but I'm afraid I'm in too big of a boot, especially on the instep. Currently, I am running Zipfit Gara's with a lot of added cork (particularly in the tongue in my left boot), Sidas custom insoles, boosters, and 3 mm Bontex shims on each boot. I have 5th met punches on both boots due to the shims. My right foot actually feel pretty good, but I've always had problems with the left foot. I think the amount of cork added has created an unforgiving fit, and it's not uniformly snug everywhere.

Other info: my right foot has a low arch, and my left foot is close to flat (no arch).

I was thinking that 24.5 S/Max w/ Zipfits might be OK, with some punches in the toebox, but wondering if there are other boots I should consider or even lower volume boots (95-96mm range). I actually used to have a pair of 24.5 X Max (which I've heard had the lowest instep) with Bootdoc foam liners (no foam in tongue), but they killed my toes because A) the liners were way too short despite stretching and B) I didn't punch the toebox for more space. I still had space over my left foot instep and in the ankle (didn't try shims).

I will also send a PM with my email so I can send you my full scan. I took multiple scans, and there seemed to be notable variance between measurements.

Thank you!

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Jeez, you're not kidding about the low instep on the left foot.

Unfortunately, no one is interested in building a last for a foot like yours, they concentrate on "average" feet in three different volumes, not "off the chart unusual" feet.

It sounds like you don't care so much about touring capability, but rather simply want a lower instep boot for performance reasons? I think you are on the right track re: looking for an out-of-production X/Max (Salomon has raised the instep height twice since then; the current S/Pro Alpha is a fantastic boot but the instep is much roomier). I doubt a 24.5 is realistic, but it would depend on the bootfitter's expertise and the binding you intend to use - how much you can punch a toe for length depends to some extent on toepiece compatibility. As low volume consumer boots go, the Hawx Ultra is great for low volume ankles but actually pretty tall over the instep. Current plug boots below 97-98mm are much tighter through the midfoot but not really all that low over the instep, either - just because someone demands a super powerful narrow boot doesn't mean their instep is low so I doubt going that route will help.

I don't think adding more than 3mm of Bontex under the liner is advisable - as you have found out, when you simply raise the platform under the liner, you start to run into problems where the shell curves over the top of the foot. If you've maxed out the amount of Omfit material you can add to the tongue, the next step is to start gluing foam to the tongue and upper surface of the liner flaps. You could play with this yourself rather than having a bootfitter do the work; get some adhesive 1/8" or 3/32" foam and go at it.

FWIW, adding more cork to the rear of a Zipfit can actually push your foot forward and exacerbate the instep issue . . .

Good luck with this, and let me know when you share your foot data.

Thanks Greg! I just realized I made an important typo -- I have the alpine Hawx 130 NOT the XTD. Not sure why I accidentally wrote XTD.

I actually have my old pair of 24.5 X Max 120 still. My shell fit is just under 1/2" (I can get a 1/2" dowel back there with some light contact), so I think Verifyt slightly overestimated my foot length. I think my mistake previously in that boot was using too short of a liner and not having the bootfitter do ANY punches. But I think a 24.5 could work. I'm hesitant to do any bootwork on it because the shell is not in great shape; I would want to buy a new shell first.

For my current setup, I could fit more Omfit in the tongue. However, I've noticed that more Omfit makes the instep fit feel very unforgiving and still not quite uniform, even after many liner heats. I've also noticed that the added Omfit seems to make the tongue sit differently in my boot; I feel like the tongue on my left boot wants to lean forward instead of staying in uniform contact with my shin up my leg. I've also tried adding thin layers of adhesive foam at my bootfitter. I didn't really love how that felt, but I admit I did not give it much of a chance yet.

Lastly, I've added some cork to the ankle pockets as well to get more ankle hold, and I definitely have noticed that it has pushed my foot forward (exacerbating the 5th met and adding toe pressure). I don't know if it's helped much with ankle hold, since the omfit just seems to settle in the rear. I may take some out.

I've shared my scan with you via the app, thanks for the email and your help!

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Thanks Greg! I just realized I made an important typo -- I have the alpine Hawx 130 NOT the XTD. Not sure why I accidentally wrote XTD.

I actually have my old pair of 24.5 X Max 120 still. My shell fit is just under 1/2" (I can get a 1/2" dowel back there with some light contact), so I think Verifyt slightly overestimated my foot length. I think my mistake previously in that boot was using too short of a liner and not having the bootfitter do ANY punches. But I think a 24.5 could work. I'm hesitant to do any bootwork on it because the shell is not in great shape; I would want to buy a new shell first.

For my current setup, I could fit more Omfit in the tongue. However, I've noticed that more Omfit makes the instep fit feel very unforgiving and still not quite uniform, even after many liner heats. I've also noticed that the added Omfit seems to make the tongue sit differently in my boot; I feel like the tongue on my left boot wants to lean forward instead of staying in uniform contact with my shin up my leg. I've also tried adding thin layers of adhesive foam at my bootfitter. I didn't really love how that felt, but I admit I did not give it much of a chance yet.

Lastly, I've added some cork to the ankle pockets as well to get more ankle hold, and I definitely have noticed that it has pushed my foot forward (exacerbating the 5th met and adding toe pressure). I don't know if it's helped much with ankle hold, since the omfit just seems to settle in the rear. I may take some out.

I've shared my scan with you via the app, thanks for the email and your help!

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Well, as I mentioned in email the X/Max is the lowest instep of any fairly recent Salomons but it is a bi-injected shell so punching the toe usually leads to the two materials separating at the joint - if won't leak if you don't overdo it but don't expect miracles in terms of length enhancement.

Regarding the "feel" of the Omfit, yeah, it is a little unyielding. You also should add volume to the liner flaps, not just the tongue to solve your issue, I would try the adhesive foam option.

Thanks Greg. I think I want to try a 24.5 Salomon again (even possibly the S/Max, which I believe still has a lower instep than the Atomic). Having skied 1.5 seasons in an unpunched 24.5, I think it may work with just a bit of added length/width.

I've already added Omfit to the main ankle pocket and the initially empty chamber in the midfoot of the Zipfit. In the meanwhile, I think I will order some foam and experiment. Thanks!

So , I switched from a Cochise dyn 130 in MP27 (2019 model ) to a mach1 LV MP28(2023model). So far all is good, but my left is getting numb, starting at the big toe.
Any ideas??
. I suspect too much pressure on the toe joint or over the instep.
But so far couldn’t get rid off it completely …
Ps I had the same problems with the Cochisea that I could solve by using a different liner on the left foot only.




https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...57fb2e40c0.jpg.data from the right foot is roughly the same, a little less overall.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...c150870c46.jpg


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So , I switched from a Cochise dyn 130 in MP27 (2019 model ) to a mach1 LV MP28(2023model). So far all is good, but my left is getting numb, starting at the big toe. Any ideas??

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Hard to say. The Mach 1 LV is tighter pretty much everywhere than the Cochise, especially the navicular and lower medial midfoot, but that shouldn't cause toe numbness. Normally I'd suspect instep pressure, but your numbers are within the standard range for a 28.5 foot. Pressure UNDER the first met might be the problem, and more likely than over the top. Solution could be grinding the footbed and/or bootboard in that area, but hard to diagnose without taking a look in person.