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I keep my math skills sharp calculating the volume of your mom's enormous vagina.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh Conway
I once knew a woman so deep they called her the Lynn Canal.
I have been missing you HUGH! We love you up here in bumfuck land cuz we appreciate a mag who knows alot about bumfucking, a guy who could shove that 800$ cord of hickory up his ass and ...still have room for the 17 cords of beetle pine !Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh Conway
What's hard for you to understand here? Pellets are 14 million btus/ton. Oak is 29 million btus per cord, or 14.5 million per ton. Pellets are $250/ton. That oak I bought, before tax, was $750/1.3 cords, or $288/ton. Even at that absurd price, the costs per ton, and especially per BTU, are comparable.Quote:
Originally Posted by grrrr
Maybe what you're really trying to say here is that my ass is a lot smarter than your brain...
Buy pellets by the ton, they're $230/ton at Big R today. Unless they're on sale for $199. Which is either way less than your $288. Which is not an accurate number. Red Oak (the kind you get in Colorado) is 21 million BTU/cord, not 29. And you changed your tune from $800/cord to $750/1.3 cords to make your numbers better. At $800/cord, it's double the cost/BTU of pellets. At $750/1.3 or $576/cord, it's about 50% more for the oak.
But if your math justifies your decision, have at it.
All that is if the oak is good and dry. Oak takes a good 2 years to dry. In my experience no other New England hardwood dries slower. I get a heck of a lot more red oak than white oak.
Well, if I could buy pellets tax free, maybe I'd factor that into my decision. And they sell a bunch of different types of oak in CO. "The kind you get in Colorado"... You're hysterical.Quote:
Originally Posted by grrrr
That's why I bought a $100 cord from a bro this fall. The stuff I cut last year isn't ready. I can always stay ahead on pine/cedar/fir but I need to buy oak/almond here and there.
Red Oak (or more correctly Gambel Oak) is the only kind that grows in Colorado. But if they're shipping you oak from Maine, maybe that's why you pay $800. Or why your talking sounds a lot like flatulence.Quote:
Originally Posted by stfu&gbtw
dang. by me in sierra western slope, it was between $1.55 to $1.89/gallon this summer and so far this fall.... and peeps complain that's high compared to recent past.Quote:
Originally Posted by stfu&gbtw
'bout the same in Sonora as Grass Valley. Seems about average compared to last few years.
And if you lived around here, you'd know that oak firewood is expensive because they truck it in from places where you can actually grow dense hard wood... like the kind your head is made out of.Quote:
Originally Posted by grrrr
I do "live around here". And the oak is not being shipped from the east coast.
Most of it comes from Missouri. And yes, white oak is native to Missouri.Quote:
Originally Posted by grrrr
$100. that's great! i could use a cord of seasoned hardwood for something less than $250. we're pretty short of hardwood at my place for this winter. we should be set in a few years for a season or two. i have a little bit of split manzanita that is stacked and covered, and a couple dead manzanita sitting around the property (not sure about the moisture content) that i need to make a priority.Quote:
Originally Posted by telemike
So, you're buying oak trucked to you from Missouri instead of buying Colorado oak because you get 29m BTU/cord instead of 21m BTU/cord? Good decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by stfu&gbtw
Perhaps we have found the root of why the wood costs $800/cord
^^nice pun
Actually no. I am buying the wood that is more dense and burns long enough to heat the house overnight. The btu output is secondary. Have you not been following along here?
I have. You seem dumber and dumber as it goes along.Quote:
Originally Posted by stfu&gbtw
I put 8 cords up this year for a total outlay of about $50. Won't stay burning all night, but that's why I have a pellet stove in the basement. I'll be $500 ahead of you when its said and done.
You're following along, but you missed the whole discussion about the real total costs? Figures I guess. Maybe you can invest that $500 in some reading lessons. Or maybe some pellets for your pellet stove.Quote:
Originally Posted by grrrr
Oh I've been reading just fine. Like when you posted this:
"There are btu/cord charts easily found online. Off the top of my head, I couldn't tell you what the numbers are, but the midwestern hardwood doesn't seem very heavy or dense compared to what we used to have back home."
Do you have a saw and a truck? I know of some cheep or maybe free seasoned oak up in Colfax. I won't be able to get to it any time soon and my buddy wants it gone. He might have already made arrangements, but it might still be available.Quote:
Originally Posted by bodywhomper
Oh, I almost forgot......
Are you allergic to poison oak?
Don't know if that's actually true or not, but the oak from MO doesn't seem as heavy and dense as what we had back home... What does that have to do with anything?Quote:
Originally Posted by grrrr
He's equating weight/density to btu. Which you seemed to be implying too. And you seemed to say that MO wood had less weight/density and subsequently less btu. Blah blah blah.
Certainly didn't mean to imply that... I think red oak and lodgepole pine have about the same BTU rating, but the oak certainly burns a lot longer than the pine. Burn time and BTUs are two pretty different things. Related at some point I'm sure, but where exactly, I couldn't tell you. And I handle more wood in a season here than I did in a decade back home, so my recollection of it is probably not that accurate.Quote:
Originally Posted by telemike
Maybe you're just still full of shit.
You are claiming $288/ton, when the company you bought it from prices it at $380/ton.
You're claiming it is from MO:
"Thanks for asking about firewood. It is illegal to remove any hardwood firewood from the state of Missouri due to the presence of both state laws and the federal emerald ash borer quarantine, with a very specific exception for hardwood firewood that has been heat treated and packaged at a federally certified commercial kiln facility. My guess is that you are asking about private firewood- so the answer is definitely that you cannot legally move oak firewood from Missouri to Colorado. There is no permit that would make bringing untreated (regular, not commercially heat treated) oak firewood from Missouri to Colorado OK."
But it makes total sense that you would be buying specially treated firewood from MO instead of locally available oak. Which you claim is white oak, and you buy it because it's hard and dense, but then say it's not as hard and dense as the oak you used to buy...which was white oak. If you absolutely have to have the MO oak, more power to you. Just don't claim it's comparable to pellet prices.
BTW, you don't need to put up a wind turbine to run a pellet stove at night if you're off the grid. They have very good 12v systems.
yes, i'm allergic' to poison oak! also, no truck but yes saw. I could probably work something out regarding a 3/4 ton truck with a friend, making this a great opportunity (thanks!), but the PO thing sounds like it would kill the deal. thoughts?Quote:
Originally Posted by telemike
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Originally Posted by grrrr
You found google! You're the man. I actually recall they charged me $345/ton, but I don't have the ticket in front of me. I was just trying to work through the math. But you can believe what you want. Or you can believe one blog post from dontmovefirewood.org. But when you're confronted with making the decision and get to live with it for several years, you'll come to your own conclusions. Pellets are not vastly cheaper than oak in my situation, not the least of which because I don't have to plan for the electrical. Or how to keep the house warm when the electrical has failed for one reason or another. And sure, you don't need a wind turbine, but you need enough electricity to run the stove when you have a <5 hour sun day, and many people do that by having a turbine. You have all the confidence of someone who doesn't actually have to do what you're talking about. You may think I'm full of shit, but I'm the one actually doing it. You're just pounding on your keyboard.
Edit: go check at the CO Dept. of Agriculture. It's completely legal to transport bulk firewood to colorado. It needs to be "specially treated" by letting it sit somewhere for 2 years.
Do you work for a wood pellet industry group or something?
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Originally Posted by grrrr
I'll ask. No promises.Quote:
Originally Posted by bodywhomper
It's not all in PO but I know it's around.
You can drive by 5 acre lots on the outskirts and see L truck loads of logs dropped and that hasn't changed, the point is that a generation of fairly thrifty locals (dutch people) finds it cheaper to have their fire wood dropped on the property than go out and beat up their saw & their truck & burn fuel even tho they can go out and find free wood already feeled & sitting in a brush pile waiting to be burntQuote:
Originally Posted by BCMountainHound
which speaks to the real cost of burning wood so who ever adds it up completely the cost of stove, the instal, the truck, the fuel, the saw the time, the danger, the work?
In contrast you could theoretically fuel a pellet stove a sack or 2 home in your prius every time you go to town but its easier to just get a pallet or 2 dropped, one of my buddy's is a quadrapalegic and he will be burning pellet this winter
Finishing up today and tomorrow. Gotta love a friend who owns a Timberwolf six-way splitter! Even better when he rents to ya for beer!
Badass! 2.5 cords from 11 am to 6:30 pm. Love this beast!
We finished cutting a new ski run last week cold/wet/ balls deep in 1/2 a meter of snow during a 30 cm storm, the saws were plugging up with wet sawdust, one of this years tougher gigs ... done cutting for the season
In some ways true but if you live out in country you do need a wood backup in case of a prolonged power outage so I don't think I could gone the totally elec route. So there would always be the capital cost of stove.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
Now whether to go to the woods to cut dead standing/fall or have a logging truck drop a load or even buy split delivered? For me I haven't had to think about that yet as this years wood came from property clean up which had to be done anyway. I got two more years worth by cleaning up stuff on neighbours land so was really close ( alot of which was primo pine standing dead which was easy to split). Next year will try slash piles to see if i can get two more years worth, 10 cords. I know a logger with a woodlot who pays for the firewood to be moved from his landing to his place. Now he uses a full logging truck every year and has one of those outside boilers. If I didn't have a 16ft utility trailer I would be getting a truck load delivered. No way I would use my truck to move what I need just too many trips.
well every situ is different but like I said lots of people buy it by the logging truck full, right now there is lots of wood close to town I see guys harvesting on the way up the ski hill every day dragging a skimmer out of the bush & putting it in a beat up old truck that has to burn fule & be fixed
http://www.telkwa.com/images/uploads...masswNotes.pdf
this is pretty cool ^^The village of Telkwa instaled a biomass generator, most maggots will lack the drive to read all 11 pages if they even bother to click on the link but If you do it will show you what is possible
Me, ironicly I have all the cutting gear but don't burn wood
yes but at this point my job is closed for the shoulder season, the work is exercise that i like and want, the subaru i'm loading is my girlfriends and i rent a house with a fireplace (which is super inefficient) so all that leaves is the saw the fuel and the danger. i spent $30 on gas, oil, and bar oil and haven't died yet. heating the same house last winter without wood was $250/ month and i've got that covered (although i expect $60-$100/month this year) plus 3 cords to sell.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
Anybody know much about "The Earth Stove" brand of wood stoves? I just moved into a place with one, and have no idea how it works. It has a blower on the back that seems to feed the combustion chamber and a knob with marks for H and M (the rest is worn off). No mechanical damper that I can see. If I run it with the door closed and the blower on, it gets very hot very fast. If I don't use the blower, it won't get going unless I leave the door open. Is the blower supposed to always be on?Attachment 160396
nice seasoned ash is burning perfect this time of year. another month of ash, then we move onto maple and oak for the cold season. 3rd winter heating with mostly wood and haven't had to buy any. when the power company comes a clearing, we follow with the hatch open. for weeks. a labor of love. this winters and next winters ready to go, collecting winter wood 16/17 now.