going nordic = going ghay?

Yup.

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Well, the Hok is marketed as a ski shoe. They have plenty of glide in the right snow. Dry cold powder and they are plenty fun in rolling terrain in the woods. Wax on the skins improves grip and glide.

The Kom is a way better choice for XCD. They’re surprisingly floaty and fast. My only gripe is that I wish they came in a 185. That would be an awesome corn touring ski. I’ve pestered Nils about a 185 buy the molds are too expensive unless he got a bunch of pre orders


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Get in on the megajillions thread and then maybe we can do a group buy!

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when shopping thrift stores, every now and then i see ancient, legit touring skis with
the synthetic strips in the base (Bonna?) for sale

so, its not a new idea. if it was a good idea,
seems like more companies would produce a similar product
(maybe they are and im out of touch?)

it's designed for geezers who want to ski, but,
don't want to go fast enough to crash and break something

there, i said it

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skin skis for classic are pretty much the best things ever invented. i don’t see anyone fucking around with wax anymore. my gf got a pair and her glide is faster than mine and she always gets up the hills without worrying about waxing which sucks when you get it wrong. i don’t know if the skins work as well on fresh snow but skin skis are not a fad. in a few years when you see someone waxing up it’ll be the same guy who is also carrying a discman with an 35mm slung around their neck.

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what's a discman?
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when shopping thrift stores, every now and then i see ancient, legit touring skis with
the synthetic strips in the base (Bonna?) for sale

so, its not a new idea. if it was a good idea,
seems like more companies would produce a similar product
(maybe they are and im out of touch?)

it's designed for geezers who want to ski, but,
don't want to go fast enough to crash and break something

there, i said it

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They’re not for geezers. They’re available on top end racing skis.

Also:

“Cross-country skin skis are a relatively new technology. Atomic was experimenting with attaching mohair strips to the kick zones of wax skis with klister at the 2002 Salt Lake City Winter Olympics.”

https://www.conwaydailysun.com/outdo...4b0c46fd0.html

There was a handful of replacement skin strips sold in Gear Swap a few years back. When you can't kick, stomp. When you can't stomp, herring bone.

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GF is flying to a skate ski race & I’m looking for hard shell travel case recommendations. I guess the Series 1 sport tube is a good option?

Or maybe a fishing rod case could work? She’s just taking a single pair plus poles.

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The Sport Tube is pretty nice, telescopes and has wheels and a handle for hauling around the airport. I have a Series 2 which fits 4 pairs of skis with poles (if you pack carefully). Nice thing about flying with nordic skis is you don't need to worry about the weight limit.

You can do the PVC tube instead but large PVC tubes aren't that cheap and you still need to rig a handle.

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When you can't kick, stomp. When you can't stomp, herring bone.

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This is also the answer to not being able to get a workout doing classic (in addition to "go faster"). On steep hills you're basically running up the hill with skis on your feet. I actually find it easier to keep my HR down while skating since I can always skate slowly but kicking slowly doesn't work (uphill).

I tried those Hok skis back when they came out but found they were too fat and too short. The mount point seemed like it was fooked as well.

Asked my buddy who runs a xc center about the madshuss skis and he said they are too narrow and too stiff.

Still looking for that “goldie locks” ski for tour skippity skip.

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This is also the answer to not being able to get a workout doing classic (in addition to "go faster"). On steep hills you're basically running up the hill with skis on your feet. I actually find it easier to keep my HR down while skating since I can always skate slowly but kicking slowly doesn't work (uphill).

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When I'm approaching and then moving up a hill, generally my progression in technique is to kick on the groomed until I can't then move over to the fresh snow then skate uphill until the speed is so low the skate becomes a herring bone. So many variables with hill, snow quality, camber/grip. Using all the tools in your tool box to seek efficiency is what I like about the game. And skating down hill :)

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I tried those Hok skis back when they came out but found they were too fat and too short. The mount point seemed like it was fooked as well.

Asked my buddy who runs a xc center about the madshuss skis and he said they are too narrow and too stiff.

Still looking for that “goldie locks” ski for tour skippity skip.

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Seems like you want one of the regular skis that has fish scales cut in the bottom like Voilé or Fisher S’bound if they still make those.

You mean the reverse or negative pockets?

I have a set of the old Fishers and have had good luck with them, if only they were a tad wider.

I have considered getting out the dremel and making my own pockets. I know others here have done zackly that.

S bounds with high top leather and 3 pins are my every day anywhere driver. I carry skins. Seems to me those short fat skis with skins are dope for checking a trap line or tending a sugar grove. Sliding snow shoes.

I have the Voile Vector BC ski (the model with fish scales). It's an alpine ski, not a nordic ski. But if you want downhill performance and fat, Voile has several models with the fish scales. They are my Spring ski mountaineering ski and great for long, flat, slightly up, slightly down approaches. I still bring skins and ski crampons for when it gets steep and icy.

https://www.voile.com/voile-ultravector-bc-skis.html

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Sliding snow shoes.

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Basically what I tell people.
Here’s some Kōm turns:
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I tried those Hok skis back when they came out but found they were too fat and too short. The mount point seemed like it was fooked as well.

Asked my buddy who runs a xc center about the madshuss skis and he said they are too narrow and too stiff.

Still looking for that “goldie locks” ski for tour skippity skip.

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Kom from Altai. They’re a blast for meadow skipping
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Kom from Altai. They’re a blast for meadow skipping
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So how many exactly does you know who need us to order for a run in the mid 180s? And the 174 seems like unobtainium.

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So how many exactly does you know who need us to order for a run in the mid 180s? And the 174 seems like unobtainium.

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I snagged one of the last pair of 174 around Thanksgiving. I’m big and they’re fine if the snow isn’t too deep. That pic was 18” of nice dry, cold snow. It was on the verge of being too deep for me.

I’m not sure what it would take to get a 185 mold made. I asked Nils and he said it would take dozens of pairs to just break even.

They have a really great flex for soft snow and are wide enough to be a little surfy. Not as stiff as Voile’s offerings which aren’t that great for hippie pow


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The Voile V6 BC skis with the traction base + tip & tail rocker are slarvy & very good in hippie pow conditions 😁⛷

The other Voile BC traction base models have flatter tails, are less slarvy & more carvy 🔪

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I snagged one of the last pair of 174 around Thanksgiving. I’m big and they’re fine if the snow isn’t too deep. That pic was 18” of nice dry, cold snow. It was on the verge of being too deep for me.

I’m not sure what it would take to get a 185 mold made. I asked Nils and he said it would take dozens of pairs to just break even.

They have a really great flex for soft snow and are wide enough to be a little surfy. Not as stiff as Voile’s offerings which aren’t that great for hippie pow


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Well, we didn't win the megajillions, so the group buy will have to wait.

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riding chairs in foggy freezing drizzle didnt sound like fun
touring in foggy freezing drizzle kicks ass!
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riding chairs in foggy freezing drizzle didnt sound like fun
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LOL. My winter XC since the solstice. So warm there was griz tracks reported on the trails at 900m. That’s a new one.
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Heavy fog again tonight. Flat light by headlamp. Apex bruin prowling. XC training with birkie attire apropos.

FKNA!

Well that’s one way to get the heart rate going…

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another day another loop praise ullr

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white lines goin through my mind

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Where is that? Looks choice.
I was back up at Green Woodlands today, saw the man himself, Bob Green, grooming with a snowmobile. Too thin for the cat tillers, snow coming though! If you don’t know the story on Bob Green, he’s awesome, I’ll just leave it at that!

https://www.greenwoodlandsfoundation.org/
Perfect blue-sky day, 32* and fast snow. I really think Nordic is my new jam, especially on this low snow season.
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One of the warming huts, fully stocked, all for free!
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petit train du nord, used to be a train to tremblant round trip that would stop at all the little hills for a quarter before they built the stupid highway.

now it’s your normal NE rail to trail with a lot of lakes, rivers, cottonheads, etc. goes forever and some of the sections are pretty nice, and it’s one of the only free spaces to get out in the laurentians. fucking crowded on the weekend.

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petit train du nord, used to be a train to tremblant round trip that would stop at all the little hills for a quarter before they built the stupid highway.

now it’s your normal NE rail to trail with a lot of lakes, rivers, cottonheads, etc. goes forever and some of the sections are pretty nice, and it’s one of the only free spaces to get out in the laurentians. fucking crowded on the weekend.

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Ah, so Quebec (on the far side of the River) is part of New England (NE) now? ;)

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Where is that? Looks choice.
I was back up at Green Woodlands today, saw the man himself, Bob Green, grooming with a snowmobile. Too thin for the cat tillers, snow coming though! If you don’t know the story on Bob Green, he’s awesome, I’ll just leave it at that!

https://www.greenwoodlandsfoundation.org/
Perfect blue-sky day, 32* and fast snow. I really think Nordic is my new jam, especially on this low snow season.
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Been there a number of times. Incredible place. Dog friendly.

Just went down a Green Woodlands Strava rabbit hole. Y’all need to see this ski from a couple of years ago from Simi Hamilton. It insane how fast World Cup skiers are, and to do it for this duration?!?!

https://www.strava.com/activities/4980865468

I just ran into Simi’s FIL at a party last weekend. He and Sophie are enjoying Basalt these days but still came back to VT for the holidays.

I've got new skate skis, boots, bindings on the way. Brand new nice stuff will be a big step up from my thrift shop set up with combi boots. I ordered the boots and skis from bobleisure.com (German retailer?) after seeing the 4 page thread here on TGR verifying it's legit; but they had no bindings. Ordered the bindings from a shop in Portland, OR. The stuff from Germany is scheduled to get here a day sooner than Oregon?

Rosie Brennan and Julie Kern got on the podium this AM. Well Done Ladies.

Finally starting to snow back east, more K opening daily, still kinda thin in spots, but generally very good skiing. It’s dumping right now and we’re looking at another 8-10 tonight!
From today at Woodstock Nordic
Smelled the wood stove from a ways off, so skied over to the cabin and sat by the stove for a few minutes.
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Rosie Brennan and Julie Kern got on the podium this AM. Well Done Ladies.

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Hell yes.

Anyone have recs for a good midweight skate ski mitten? I have a lingering hand injury so currently have to keep my middle and index fingers buddy taped together while skiing. My Flylow oven mitts are too bulky for my pole straps and also too toasty. Could do split finger down the middle as well but mainly want something that keeps me warm but not too hot in 15-25 degree temps (my hands don’t run particularly cold)