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If you have owned a truck and expect to do truck stuff Tundra ain't for you. I have had chevy's most my life, the company work trucks were all F150's and F250's. Looking for something different I bought a new 2018 Tundra. Ran it for a few years and now back to chevy. The tundra couldn't haul a load, simply putting an ARE topper on the bed caused the bed to sag. Towing it did okay power wise but again the rear was maxed out. If you are going that route upgrading the rear springs/adding airbags would be a must just to be able to do basic truck stuff. I sold it because it just got annoying every time I needed to use it as a truck it fell short compared to my chevy's and fords. I can't remember what thread, shit it might be this one that I posted pictures of my tundra with a load of sand in the bed for building my kids sandbox. It was a stupid small amount of sand.....maybe 1000lbs and the truck looked like I was carrying 10,000lbs. I'll see if I can dig it up.

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Analysis paralysis will come when you try to get everything possible then focus on the few things you can't have as if they are deal breakers.

Payload is not that important in your case IMHO. Do you really drive around with 4 ppl and bikes that much? Being over payload for a trip to shuttle something isn't that big of a deal. You could beef up the brakes and suspension if it is. Just add some airbags even and adjust your driving. If you are gonna put a FWC on it, a Tundra will be fine.

RAM PW- gas mileage sucks, even worse that the Tundra. Paying for payload you don't need. Reliability sucks, resale value sucks. I sure as hell wouldn't buy Ram PW just for the creature comforts. Those will go bad if the mechanical stuff doesn't go bad first. If not, the gas mileage will suck you dry.

Turning radius? It is what it is. It is a full sized truck, get used to it. Park further out at City Market and get some steps in ;)

How heavy of off roading are you thinking of doing really? Be honest with yourself about this. In a full size vehicle you are already limited. Putting a camper on it? Another limitation. However, a slightly lifted Tundra will go a lot of places in the mountain west that won't require a winch, bumpers, rock sliders, and all that crap.

Why not just a used Sequoia? If the 4runner is too small. If I didn't already have a camper on my Tundra I would use my Sequoia for all the things you listed. Take the seats out and there's a ton of room for winter camping in the cab. RTT for summer maybe, just so you don't have to move gear around. Add whatever GOTOS accoutrements you would like.

Ha...I'm sure everyone's seen that in real life. Whether they pay attention depends on if they Fan Boi.

I mean, I'm sure they were a handfull of Tacos and Tundys pull NOBOs or GFCs and wakeboat on the side of Floyd Hill Friday afternoon. And the overloaded beds can be seen at most HD's. Just took for the guy with curated hipster contractor get up.

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If I had baller truck money and I wanted a baller truck. I'd get a 3/4 ton Tremor and buy the extended warranty.

Here in the northeast Ram trucks seem to rust the worst

Buying a 3/4 as a daily driver when you don't need to use it for work, or tow with it, and buying it because it offers some bells and whistles that the Tundra doesn't, is flawed logic. Really, buying a 3/4 ton for any of those reasons alone is just not great. Can't believe I am saying this, but why aren't you looking at the Ram 1500 and beef it up?

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you said Overlanding. That should be 3 dick punches right there.

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Analysis paralysis will come when you try to get everything possible then focus on the few things you can't have as if they are deal breakers.

Payload is not that important in your case IMHO. Do you really drive around with 4 ppl and bikes that much? Being over payload for a trip to shuttle something isn't that big of a deal. You could beef up the brakes and suspension if it is. Just add some airbags even and adjust your driving. If you are gonna put a FWC on it, a Tundra will be fine.

RAM PW- gas mileage sucks, even worse that the Tundra. Paying for payload you don't need. Reliability sucks, resale value sucks. I sure as hell wouldn't buy Ram PW just for the creature comforts. Those will go bad if the mechanical stuff doesn't go bad first. If not, the gas mileage will suck you dry.

Turning radius? It is what it is. It is a full sized truck, get used to it. Park further out at City Market and get some steps in ;)

How heavy of off roading are you thinking of doing really? Be honest with yourself about this. In a full size vehicle you are already limited. Putting a camper on it? Another limitation. However, a slightly lifted Tundra will go a lot of places in the mountain west that won't require a winch, bumpers, rock sliders, and all that crap.

Why not just a used Sequoia? If the 4runner is too small. If I didn't already have a camper on my Tundra I would use my Sequoia for all the things you listed. Take the seats out and there's a ton of room for winter camping in the cab. RTT for summer maybe, just so you don't have to move gear around. Add whatever GOTOS accoutrements you would like.

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Nailed all of it.

The problem with the Ram is that...it's a Ram. And the Tundra shortcomings aren't going to change that.

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Well the saying used to be "What's wrong with Cummins?" "It's surrounded by Dodge".

It's just consumerism and where us late stage dusty balls used to be ski bum fucks are at.

An 89 Civic Si and a 2500 Suburban big block is still a great quiver. But times change, live move and we all spend our money how we want.

For reference, this is our Tundra w/ 1200 lb camper (dry and empty which this isn't), two bikes extended out, wife in the camper, and a 90 lb dog. Lots of gear up front too. Suspension obviously not stock, but this is before I added a new leaf pack w/ extra spring, and the airbags weren't holding air at this point. Replaced the airbags, added cradles, and added a leaf, upgraded the brakes. Now it rides and carries weight a lot better. I even added a front hitch to carry my dirt bike. Driven it all over CO and UT like this, on some pretty bumpy/rutted roads.

Only time I got stuck (so far) was in the Grand Targhee parking lot because they didn't mark where the pavement ended and I drove right into being high centered in deep plowed snow. So totally their fault ;) and they towed me out with a bobcat.

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Nice whip. Does it have adaptive cruise and dual zone climate control? If I was in the market for a Recreational Vehicle, I'd be looking at something like that.

It is a 2009. 150k miles. I think it actually does have dual climate control zones. No adaptive CC or anything and the stereo sucks (6 disc changer though!). It was $15k used + upgrades so more like $18k. 11.5mpg when loaded.

Took the back seats out and use some storage bins, then the dog hangs out on top of those in his bed. He freakin loves it because he can see out easily.

Tremor is 5.5' bed.

Used 2020 Sequoia TRD with 65k is going to be over $50k with plastic bumpers and no rear locker. Or I can get a 2020 PW with 40k for $45k.

Ram 1500s do not have the greatest clearance, 8.7, so a 2019 1500 king cab laramie 5.7 with the safety package is gonna need a lift, bumper, and rear diff to be what I want, and then why am I not just getting a Tundra and doing those mods?

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Right, but look objectively at your "needs" and that you apparently are willing to fork about $40K for it used and out of warranty. So who's insane? Your money, your choices. I just cracks me up that this is what Mountainy AF(tm) people do now.

Creature comforts
Very offroad capable
Can haul a GFC or equivelant
Dual climate control in a pickup cab?
Adaptive cruise?
Turning Radius requirements on a truck

What am I missing? And you said Overlanding. That should be 3 dick punches right there.

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I wanna have a decent offroader than can get to hard-to-reach campsites and trailheads with the ability to not get fucked up and self rescue, and is a good camping vehicle. That's my very limited understanding of the "overlander" term which I only recently have become aware of, and have inferred from your post is a dork term? Seems you need something to distinguish my use case vs base level truck camper vs rock crawler doing hells revenge and rubicon, but I shall commence with the punches in penance.

As far as the other things, well, I thought a new Tundra with a 50ft turn felt like a land yacht, like I was driving an ambulance again. Versus the older Tundra with a 44ft felt very manageable. T4R and Outback have 37' turns. Going to 118% felt way more reasonable than 134%.

When I say creature comfort, I just mean 8 hour roadtrips with a gal who would like heat at full blast when I want max A/C, the dual zone ac makes that better ;)

How many downcountry ebikes can i carry on my overlander? J/k

5.5” bed with a GFC or FWC wouldn't be too bad would it?

Go older on the Sequoia. I have a 2001. ;)

If i had to drive my tundra every day I would hate it. Too stiff. Cant imagine driving a 3/4 ton all the time if I have no intentions of towing or hauling weight for work.

Get a Taco crew cab 6” bed, with a GFC or RTT. I have taken a stock one up and down radical hill, middle fork, north fork swan, GA pass, etc. A 2.5” lifted one up Red Cone.

That tundra w/ camper has been over Pearl pass, brush creek, Cement creek, webster pass, sts John, deer creek, miners, and a shitload of other stuff. It doesnt have a locker, winch, fancy bumper or anything. I do carry traction boards and ropes/shackles. Only had to use them for other people though. :)

I don't think you can "Overland" without a TrashARoo, a YouTube channel, and a fully curated set of dutch ovens.

The struggle is real. Even with an unlimited budget, there really is no perfect vehicle.

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I don't think you can "Overland" without a TrashARoo, a YouTube channel, and a fully curated set of dutch ovens.

The struggle is real. Even with an unlimited budget, there really is no perfect vehicle.

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I feel like that with campers. Eventually I just had to pull the trigger on something.

With trucks, my main problem is that I want a 3/4 ton but I hate Ford and the alternatives are junk too.

I think you just get over the hate, rustle up $50K, put a gun in your boot and walk into the dealer.

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I think you just get over the hate, rustle up $50K, put a gun in your boot and walk into the dealer.

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Fix or Repair Daily.

Yeah, maybe someday. Gonna ride this out a few years. Maybe buy a Super Dookie for the business.

Between the tundra and ram with your ‘needs’ and use case, the Toyota all the way if you are going to be spending money on suspension, brakes and other add-ons. It will last you longer, and will carry more resale value if you decide to go a different direction later.

True HD work trucks, ford and GM/chev with base build. Full stop. Adding bells and whistles will reduce the functionality, so trade-offs for creature comforts just like all the other brands.

Most want a vehicle for 10% of their actual use case. Exception being Dodge owners who buy for 1% use case, then never use more than 80% of the actual truck (couldn’t help myself).

Price of trucks now is insane. Obviously the market has too much disposable income. So much unnecessary shit. All trucks have dual climate control - they’re called windows. Well, except when the electrics go to shit.

Lucky to still rock the quiver. ‘03 Tacoma extracab, add-a-leaf carries the sled perfectly, don’t care about getting a flintstone car wash when hunting. Will spend another $5k on it before even thinking of letting it go. Just now replacing the bumper due to rust. Rust will be what takes it off the road eventually. Everything else just works forever. Then there’s the ‘15 halfton chevy crew with cap to tow the trailer for family adventures. Mid-level trim and makes highway trips comfortable for everyone. Yes, it has modern dual climate control. Probably should have gone 3/4ton as at least one trip per year tests the capacity of the truck. Rounding out the fleet is the ‘12 Elantra wagon for around town and trips to the city. Cheap to buy, maintain and run. Can carry all the skis or bikes or canoe, three people +hound and their gear. It does need new shocks/struts. Ticks along like a sewing machine.
Insurance for all three is a bit expensive (wagon and taco with 3rd party and windshield replacement only, no collision anymore), but regular maintenance coupled with low annual km, using each vehicle where best suited keeps the gas and repair bills down.
Like mentioned above, if only two vehicles for our lifestyle, then a med spec 3/4ton ford or chev, and an efficient Korean or Japanese wagon/sedan for around town and light-duty adventures.
As far as fuel type, unless work truck needs to pull a second home or 30ft boat, or working with heavy equip burning the oil, truck probably should be having dual rear wheels, then a Diesel engine doesn’t really pencil out here.

Hanging out at the post office what i see around here is some old fuck buying a new PU becuz every thing was paid for 20yars ago so he writes the cheque just cuz he can, yeah its big but we still got angle parking on mainstreet so no problem eh

Bcmtnhound, where’s the minivan fit in that quiver? Maybe w/ the Elantra?

Overlanding is just car camping with $10-20K worth of stuff in or on the vehicle.

Pretty much any uber rugged backcountry campsite you overland to in a fullsize pickup can be reached by someone driving a beat up Subaru who has no fear of body damage.

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Bcmtnhound, where’s the minivan fit in that quiver? Maybe w/ the Elantra?

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Heh. We only have the one child. If we had more, then ya, make that a minivan. Minivan could replace the truck even if I lived in a condo or apartment in the city, amazing what they can carry from home despot. AWD with decent rubber and it’s amazing where they will drive to as well.

Back in the day i pull up next to a random mini van, the driver rolls down the window to say hey

Surprisingly its a paddling skiing outdoor kind of gal I know pretty well so I ask where is her SUV ?

" I'm pregnant, I'm having twins "

Oh, OK

In 2011, I laid a tarp in our empty minivan, went to the soil place, and filled the van with loose sand for the large sandbox that I was building. Still have sand in crevices of the van. Hauled 8’ t-stakes in it last weekend.

Props on long term ownership

Update on trying to buy a truck:
I did contact a couple of auto brokers and didn't seem to get far.
I got excited by the F150 Lightning, w $2k Ford credits, $7500 fed and $5k CO, plus 0% Ford financing for 60 months. I emailed the 7 closest dealers, asking if they had any in stock for less than $80k MSRP (the max price for getting fed and state discounts). One Front Range dealership's like, yep! Here's the sticker. Blue, Flash trim, extended range 320 mile battery. I say cool, I'll take it. We go back and forth getting things lined up, he finally says I'll send you the paperwork, just sign it and send it back. He sends paperwork for a completely different truck, base level trim, standard range 200 mile battery, same price. I say fuck you, quit wasting my time you lying piece of shit.

So yeah, buying new from a dealership still sucks in 2024.

Dealerships are the worst. What's your best price? Where would you like to be.....As little as possible. So it goes back and forth, back and forth....You see a price online, all the incentives, and it is never that price.

I ended up doing Carmax just cause I couldn't stand the haggling, adding about $5k for stuff you don't want - diamond coating, etc....So archaic and painful.

When I'm talking to dealers every time something other than what I asked for comes up I get up to leave. I'll say something like 'that's too bad, remove the charge or... ' as I turn to leave. It usually works. 3 times now I didn't pay for window etching that they had already done at the dealership, one was on a special order car.

Man, I bought my Taco a few days before Covid shutdown. They seemed desperate. It was a "unicorn" because it was a manual TRD. Went back and forth with them, was ready to walk. Talked to the wife on the phone, there was another salesman in the cubicle next to me, started telling her I was just gonna bail and got to another dealer or buy the used one down the street that I had just looked at (BS). The salesman in the cubicle gets up and walks up to the manager's office. Next thing I know, the manager comes down with a much better offer, and ask if I will just buy the damn truck. I did. It was pretty comical.

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/terrifyin...thru-1.7024860

a vid showcasing the 4x4 capabilities of the bronco drivivng over 2 police cars in a Tim Hortons ...so Canadian

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I think there might have been something wrong with your suspension. I hauled 2k lbs in the bed of my Tundra several times (in two different trucks, a 2007 and a 2017) and there wasn't much sag.

That said, I agree it's not quite there as a truck's truck.

Damn, sucks to hear about the dealership shenanigans. I thought that shit was getting better, but until recently hadn't dealt with a dealer in 20 years or so.

I should put in a plug for Mark Miller Toyota in SLC, then. Leah helped Ms.B navigate through the waiting list for a '23 Corolla Cross hybrid with no mark up BS, gave her updates on changes, production delays, etc. and delivered exactly what she wanted. The Ogden dealership wanted a larger deposit, had a $3K dealer upcharge, and weren't transparent on their waiting list. I then put down a refundable deposit for a hybrid Tacoma and she did equally well keeping me up to date on status. When it was announced they weren't making the hybrid in a 6ft bed except the Trailhunter, we switched gears and went 4Runner instead. Got exactly what I wanted, no markup and no push for upsell options, etc.

A different take on truck topper design:

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Cab and chassis delivered.. bed next week, with tints, tires and leveling kit in between…


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The truck campers droll over those rigs.

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Good experience buying a new truck at a dealership over the weekend. Ended up with a '24 Chevy 1500 Trail Boss w/ 3.0 Duramax. Crew cab/standard bed. Got about 5% off sticker and financed at 0% for 36 mo. 32 mpg on the way to work this morning. 28 on the way home.

So who needs a well-maintained 2010 F-150 XLT 4WD supercab/standard bed w/ 5.4 V8?

<135,000 mi
Color matched ARE canopy w/ carpeted roof
Candy Red
275/70 R18 Maxxis Razr AT w/ ~20,000 mi
CD Player! (and BlueTooth capable)

$9k for the trgz?