If only there was something we could do...

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Originally Posted by neufox47

I doubt many of these shooters would attempt it if the gun they had access to was a 5 shot rifle, shotgun or pistol.

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I don't think theses are reasonable people we are discussing. The VA Tech shooter had a 9mm handgun. He was using a 33 round mag, but mags are easy to change.

Probably should just say revolvers only.

WHAtAbOuT the Va TeCH sHoOtER?

The only sensible thing you’ve ever said is a Class 3 designation for ARs and other high powered rifle.

Class 3 designation for ARs and similiar firearms. Federal, State, Local registry for ALL firearms to be transferred with sale of firearm, jail time and fines for not reporting stolen/lost firearms. Insurance requirement for ALL firearms.

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Originally Posted by skiJ

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Dunfree is still mad TGR fired him.

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Originally Posted by mcphee

WHAtAbOuT the Va TeCH sHoOtER?

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Well he used a handgun. Handguns kill more people by an extremely large margin.

I'm not sure if he means a 5 shot pistol or not. Even still, it's really easy to change a mag.

Regardless. The VA Tech shooter killed many more with a 9mm handgun.

Most people are buying AR15 pistols anyhow.

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Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless

I don't think theses are reasonable people we are discussing.

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It's more - with a bolt action or small pistol it's significantly harder to do as much damage quickly and it makes them easier to take down.

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Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless

Well he used a handgun. Handguns kill more people by an extremely large margin.

I'm not sure if he means a 5 shot pistol or not. Even still, it's really easy to change a mag.

Regardless. The VA Tech shooter killed many more with a 9mm handgun.

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Yea, because he brought 20 loaded magazines.

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Originally Posted by neufox47

Easy. There should be an application and skill test to own a gun. Just like to drive a car. Application process should be electronic and revokable for cause. Waiting period would be built into the application and you don’t have to wait again for a second or third gun. Require all gun transfers, even private party, to document transfer and who received the gun. Ban all high capacity magazines.

None of that will happen in the next decade.

I doubt many of these shooters would attempt it if the gun they had access to was a 5 shot rifle, shotgun or pistol.

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agreed, a start at least....not everyone will be happy but concessions have to be made by either side if we want to improve the current process for gun ownership. or as you said - nothing will change......and unfortunately i think that's where we're headed. egos over regulations.

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Originally Posted by schuss

It's more - with a bolt action or small pistol it's significantly harder to do as much damage quickly and it makes them easier to take down.

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Oh really. He could've done the same thing with this.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/mgm-content...i_fix__640.jpg

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Originally Posted by mcphee

Yea, because he brought 20 loaded magazines.

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I don't think that is accurate. I think he had a 33 round mag. But you make my point for me. Easy to carry lots of mags.

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Originally Posted by mcphee

The only sensible thing you’ve ever said is a Class 3 designation for ARs and other high powered rifle.

Class 3 designation for ARs and similiar firearms. Federal, State, Local registry for ALL firearms to be transferred with sale of firearm, jail time and fines for not reporting stolen/lost firearms. Insurance requirement for ALL firearms.

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Im pretty sure I said it in the Parkland thread.

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Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless

I don't think that is accurate. I think he had a 33 round mag. But you make my point for me. Easy to carry lots of mags.

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So let’s really make it harder for anyone but hardcore enthusiasts to purchase weapons and ammo. Leaving it up to personal responsibility is clearly a failure.

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Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless

Oh really. He could've done the same thing with this.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/mgm-content...i_fix__640.jpg

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See, that's no longer a pistol.

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Originally Posted by mcphee

So let’s really make it harder for anyone but hardcore enthusiasts to purchase weapons and ammo. Leaving it up to personal responsibility is clearly a failure.

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All my suppressors took over a year. Im currently on week 13 waiting on a SBR, which I could've bought as pistol and had that day.

The ATF makes no sense.

The kid was playing a video called “dead by daylight” that morning. And was making threats online while playing.

Nothing we can do about the games, but they ain’t Castle Wolfenstein.


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Originally Posted by schuss

See, that's no longer a pistol.

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It's a bolt action AR style pistol. It is considered a handgun by the ATF. That is not a stock. That is an arm brace.

These are the people making the laws.

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Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless

I don't think that is accurate. I think he had a 33 round mag. But you make my point for me. Easy to carry lots of mags.

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Magazine size limits seem to make sense from a lot of perspectives, but IMO that cat is out of the bag. Magazines are relatively simple to manufacture, and I'm fairly sure you can 3D print them (or at least most of one) at this point. Trying to restrict access to standard military-style and larger magazines (I'm not willing to call a 30-round magazine "large capacity" when that's the standard for the class of firearm) would, again IMO, only affect the most by the book owners and provide the possibility of additional charges when one of the more radical types got arrested for something else.

Case in point: Vermont banned the sale or import to the state of rifle magazines over 10 rounds, and to date, the only widely reported case where they enforced the law was against a white supremacist who was also facing other charges for threatening, and they were able to get witnesses to discuss his trip out of state to buy the magazines.

I can't speak to the veracity of the suggestion, but I've also seen it said that in the event reloading becomes too hard, it's also possible to carry a bunch of revolvers and just keep switching guns. That sounds plausible to me.

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Semi and obviously full auto everything is probably not "necessary" for any non LEO individual who isn't prepping for a civil war. They're fun and certainly essential for law enforcement though. The notion of personal sidearms, even not semi auto is another can of worms. Probably only "necessary" for folks who have a dangerous job like bounty hunter or repo .. and folks who lave a legit violent stalker restraining order .

But as for everyone else.. Plenty of folks are just legit scared of strangers (potential criminals, assailants) and afraid to go out in the real world without a gun.. Some are on a power trip, embolden to no longer be nice to strangers and speak their minds so to speak.. i.e. bullies.. How do we tell them apart?

I've waited 13 months for this. (short barreled rifle)
https://cdn.shoplightspeed.com/shops...badger-sbr.jpg

I could've bought this the same day. (pistol)
https://www.dangerclosemfg.com/media...ght-closed.jpg

Go ATF!

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Originally Posted by neufox47

Easy. There should be an application and skill test to own a gun. Just like to drive a car. Application process should be electronic and revokable for cause. Waiting period would be built into the application and you don’t have to wait again for a second or third gun. Require all gun transfers, even private party, to document transfer and who received the gun. Ban all high capacity magazines.

None of that will happen in the next decade.

I doubt many of these shooters would attempt it if the gun they had access to was a 5 shot rifle, shotgun or pistol.

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They play video games and then they can walk in and buy the same gun.

My son does not care for guns, because I know so many homes have guns I took him to the range and taught him how to safety check etc. glad I did. But from the games, he knew every make and model there.

My best crazy gun story. During Covid I walked into a gun store with a legit crack head at the same time. A sales person asked her if he could help her and she pulled out s pistol, holding it with two fingers and said “I need bullets for this” I almost hit the dirt. She probably paid $50 for it 15 min before.


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Originally Posted by skiJ

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it’s true though. Just like Bobby stupids need to compensate and post dick pics in this thread

you seem to be convinced that your approach is rational, but to most of the world it looks insane.

and quite frankly if someone thinks society has decayed since the 1940s they are a fucking fool.

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Originally Posted by Cono Este

My son does not care for guns, because I know so many homes have guns I took him to the range and taught him how to safety check etc. glad I did.

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One of the most important things you can teach a kid. How to react and properly handle a firearm is extremely important. 350 million guns and counting, there is a better than average chance they will come in contact with one. Doesn't matter if you like them or not.

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Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless

All my suppressors took over a year. Im currently on week 13 waiting on a SBR, which I could've bought as pistol and had that day.

The ATF makes no sense.

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I’m so sorry this is happening to you.

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Originally Posted by dunfree

it’s true though. Just like Bobby stupids need to compensate and post dick pics in this thread

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Why did the fire you? I can't imagine working for TGR is that difficult of a position. 30k a year? You really must be special.

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Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless

Dunfree is still mad TGR fired him.

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hey Bobby stupid figure out who’s a prohibited person yet? I mean you can’t even figure out I’m not dunfee.


The predictable arc of a mass shooting thread - the always go to gun turds posting dick pics

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Originally Posted by mcphee

I’m so sorry this is happening to you.

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These are the people you are trusting to make good decisions. They are obviously incompetent.

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Originally Posted by dunfree

hey Bobby stupid figure out who’s a prohibited person yet?

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If you need a job, we are looking for porters. 15/hr. Just dont steal gas like the last guy... Or we will send you to jail.

They make their decisions based on the laws our elected officials pass who are influenced by the gun lobby who you support by buying their products.

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Originally Posted by skiJ

seems to be working at courthouses across the country -

in multiple posts yesterday, I repeated clearly, I am promoting changing facilities design and operation, Not staffing schools with armed guards ;

I support gun regulation too -
citizens don't need assault weapons ( nor access to assault weapons). ;

I'll look back dunfree - what solution are you advocating (?)

gun control (?)
how has that worked over the last 23 years --

mental health (?)
we seem to be at a point where people are willing to talk about mental health - and talking about anything, changes nothing.


... so I went back three pages, dunfree - lots of sniping, no ideas -
' great values are we teaching ten year olds! Is it worth trying!? '
was a personal favorite. Thank you.

armed guards ? no.
Safer designs And citizen involvement --

and you keep sniping from you keypad.


I hope you have a great day. skiJ

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Courthouses? They don’t have the same timed access/egress issue in my experience, spend far more on security & security personnel, and are afforded legal privileges schools aren’t.

Since you want to denigrate gun control how had it changed in the last 23 years?

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Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless

I've waited 13 months for this. (short barreled rifle)

I could've bought this the same day. (pistol)

Go ATF!

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So, why exactly are you waiting then?

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Originally Posted by Cono Este

They play video games and then they can walk in and buy the same gun.

My son does not care for guns, because I know so many homes have guns I took him to the range and taught him how to safety check etc. glad I did. But from the games, he knew every make and model there.

My best crazy gun story. During Covid I walked into a gun store with a legit crack head at the same time. A sales person asked her if he could help her and she pulled out s pistol, holding it with two fingers and said “I need bullets for this” I almost hit the dirt. She probably paid $50 for it 15 min before.


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Huh, wonder what differentiates the us from the rest of the world playing the same video game?

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So, why exactly are you waiting then?

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If "assault weapons" are in fact banned, this wont be subject to that since it's already Class 3. Like a machine gun or short barreled shotgun.

Most likely the arm brace thing will be addressed. It's pretty silly.

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Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless

If "assault weapons" are in fact banned, this wont be subject to that since it's already Class 3. Like a machine gun or short barreled shotgun.

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why are you waiting?

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Originally Posted by mcphee

They make their decisions based on the laws our elected officials pass who are influenced by the gun lobby who you support by buying their products.

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Part of the problem is that there's insufficient political support for even revamping the technical portion of those laws, which IIRC date to Prohibition and have pistol vs long gun definitions and regulations that don't make sense now. But I think that's small potatoes in the context of the gun death rate in the US.

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Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless

It's a bolt action AR style pistol. It is considered a handgun by the ATF. That is not a stock. That is an arm brace.

These are the people making the laws.

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You realize that this shit is largely because of obstructionism around gun laws and overly restrictive regulation of ATF and similar agencies right? You can mock the government all you want, but a lot of it is based on the narrow corridors created for them by existing regulation. They can't even computerize their records thanks to that.

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Originally Posted by anotherVTskibum

Part of the problem is that there's insufficient political support for even revamping the technical portion of those laws, which IIRC date to Prohibition and have pistol vs long gun definitions and regulations that don't make sense now. But I think that's small potatoes in the context of the gun death rate in the US.

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And yet imbeciles who don’t want to govern because they don’t believe in government keep getting elected

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Originally Posted by ::: :::

why are you waiting?

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Anything designated Class 3 is a registered item. The ATF requires a picture, finger prints, and access to the items whenever they please. The wait time has been about a year. They have moved to all electronic and it's supposed to only take 3-4 months now. Class 3 covers registered machine guns, short barreled shotguns, short barreled rifles, suppressors and things called AOWs.

The ATF could say arm braces are no longer legal. Those people when then either have to Form 1 their AR pistols or buy a new upper that is 16" long.

Im not sure if that is going to help you understand.

Congress makes gun laws, ATF enforces them.

Your obfuscation ability is normally impressive. But in this case where we’re discussing how to keep kids from being murdered and you’re bellyaching over having to wait for toys is why you’re viewed by most as an insufferable piece of shit.

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Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless

Anything designated Class 3 is a registered item. The ATF requires a picture, finger prints, and access to the items whenever they please. The wait time has been about a year. They have moved to all electronic and it's supposed to only take 3-4 months now. Class 3 covers registered machine guns, short barreled shotguns, short barreled rifles, suppressors and things called AOWs.

The ATF could say arm braces are no longer legal. Those people when then either have to Form 1 their AR pistols or buy a new upper that is 16" long.

Im not sure if that is going to help you understand.

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I’m asking why you waited instead of the quick purchase

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Originally Posted by ::: :::

I’m asking why you waited instead of the quick purchase

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I want to have the Class 3 short barreled rifle and not the pistol. It's protected from any type of law that gets put in place because it's already registered at the highest level. The only other rifle I have is a bolt action hunting rifle.

Anyone can go out an buy a AR "pistol" with an arm brace. It's a sketchy way to get around the SBR wait time.

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Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless

I want to have the Class 3 short barreled rifle and not the pistol. It's protected from any type of law that gets put in place because it's already registered at the highest level. The only other rifle I have is a bolt action hunting rifle.

Anyone can go out an buy a AR "pistol" with an arm brace. It's a sketchy way to get around the SBR wait time.

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Ok, thx

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Originally Posted by mcphee

Congress makes gun laws, ATF enforces them.

Your obfuscation ability is normally impressive. But in this case where we’re discussing how to keep kids from being murdered and you’re bellyaching over having to wait for toys is why you’re viewed by most as an insufferable piece of shit.

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If you read what I am saying, the current laws don't make any sense. If I wanted a toy quickly, I would've bought the pistol version. I don't care about the wait. I think the wait is a good thing, even if its 30% of what it used to be.

Hence the reason I think all "assault weapons" (which needs more definition) should be Class 3. I don't like to tell people what they need or don't need. It's not really my business. However, if you want access to dangerous shit you need to go through some hoops. They aren't even hoops really. It's just the ATF making sure you aren't a felon or on a list.