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11-04-2020, 04:44 PM
Spyderjon

Quote:

Originally Posted by tgapp

hey calibrit can you please tell me if there is a config on the m6 that would allow for the new C-Raider toes to be mounted? it should be 45 or 46mm square or so

Yep, the C-Raider mounting pattern is included in the jig. I'm not in my shop at the moment but IIRC they're the P3, H1 toe locations and the H,B heel locations.
11-05-2020, 02:19 PM
bry

Hagan is accepting pre-orders for the next jig shipment due in Dec.

Powder7 has some fr14s in stock.
11-05-2020, 07:33 PM
timmaio

Any one looked into the atk grease and if there would be any problems using molykote em 30l instead? I need to use it on the brakes which have stopped working so well
11-06-2020, 09:01 AM
Spyderjon

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spyderjon

Yep, the C-Raider mounting pattern is included in the jig. I'm not in my shop at the moment but IIRC they're the P3, H1 toe locations and the H,B heel locations.

I lied. The C-Raider jig pattern is P3, H1 at the toe and HH,HH at the heel.
11-06-2020, 09:08 AM
Spyderjon

Quote:

Originally Posted by EricB

Did you ever measure the ramp on the C-Raider 12's? Did that new toe piece make it any different than the R12 or R14's?

The C-Raider pin heights are 43.5mm at the heel & 33.5mm at the toe = 10mm delta.
11-10-2020, 04:20 PM
D-Roc

Has anyone else measured the helio 350 ramp?
11-10-2020, 05:42 PM
IanCH

Who needs a jig?
11-10-2020, 05:43 PM
tgapp

Quote:

Originally Posted by IanCH

Who needs a jig?

me. i'm a total jong. i'm the reason why ikea instructions are as dumb as they are.

i want to mount my own fucking skis but i need as much help as i can to outsmart myself.
11-10-2020, 05:47 PM
D-Roc

Quote:

Originally Posted by IanCH

Who needs a jig?

ill buy it!
11-10-2020, 05:52 PM
tgapp

Wait this is a jig for sale? D-roc, I'll fight you for it!! Hahahaha. I thought it was a rhetorical question, but 100% I'm interested in it

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11-10-2020, 05:58 PM
XavierD

I thought I saw moment was selling jigs earlier but now I don’t see them on there website. Any ideas where to get one?
11-10-2020, 06:43 PM
Benneke10

Hagan is accepting preorders expected arrival early Dec
https://www.haganskimountaineering.c...6-mounting-jig

If any SLC people want to pool together for one I'd be interested...
11-10-2020, 06:54 PM
tgapp

Quote:

Originally Posted by Benneke10

Hagan is accepting preorders expected arrival early Dec
https://www.haganskimountaineering.c...6-mounting-jig

If any SLC people want to pool together for one I'd be interested...

i actually have one on order, happy to loan it out to other mags
11-10-2020, 07:37 PM
CaliBrit

Quote:

Originally Posted by XavierD

I thought I saw moment was selling jigs earlier but now I don’t see them on there website. Any ideas where to get one?

Got mine from Hagan.
11-11-2020, 03:20 PM
Melee

Quote:

Originally Posted by XavierD

I thought I saw moment was selling jigs earlier but now I don’t see them on there website. Any ideas where to get one?

We have jigs for sale. If you need one shoot me an email - luke@momentskis.com
11-11-2020, 03:43 PM
Spyderjon

1 Attachment(s)

Benneke10, three sets ready to ship :cool:

Attachment 347363
11-11-2020, 06:30 PM
Benneke10

Thank you! Very excited to use these
11-12-2020, 02:42 PM
sf

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spyderjon

Benneke10, three sets ready to ship :cool:

Attachment 347363

Those look so good. Are you making/selling these on a regular basis? Couldn't see them in the webshop
11-12-2020, 04:18 PM
Norseman

First day on the FR14... stoked. Solid, smooth, simple.
11-14-2020, 02:13 PM
paal

Since I am obviously not the only one concerned about ramp angle:

After I ordered new touring skis yesterday, I have been browsing for new bindings pretty much non-stop :) I am a bit sensitive to ramp angle and have added quiver-killer inserts to the toe-pieces and 3d-printed various shims to get a fit I'm happy with on my previous setups. No big deal, but if I could just get something flatter right away for my new skis that would be ideal.
Sent some questions to ATK earlier today. Some of the discussion below:

Quote:

Originally Posted by question

Hi,
I am considering buying either RAIDER 12 or FREERAIDER 14.
Can you please tell me how much higher the ski boot will sit on the rear binding VS the front binding? (I may have to add a plate under the toe-piece if there is a lot of difference)

Quote:

Originally Posted by reply from ATK

Dear Paal,

Thank you for your e-mail!

The drop in between toe and heel piece is just 11 mm.

It is a way lower compared the average pin bindings.

We are releasing toe shims ( +5 mm ) that will reduce the drop down to 6 mm only.

These will come in 30 days more or less.

Where are you writing from?

Best

Davide

Quote:

Originally Posted by question

Will these shims be like the ones you have for other bindings with adjustability to move forward / aft, or are they one single position only?
https://www.atkbindings.com/en/prodo...sories/r08a-2/

Quote:

Originally Posted by reply from ATK

We are in the design process. We have both in our hands.

99% we will release both solutions =)

Best

Davide
11-14-2020, 02:32 PM
Sargentdrufus

Quote:

Originally Posted by paal

Since I am obviously not the only one concerned about ramp angle:

After I ordered new touring skis yesterday, I have been browsing for new bindings pretty much non-stop :) I am a bit sensitive to ramp angle and have added quiver-killer inserts to the toe-pieces and 3d-printed various shims to get a fit I'm happy with on my previous setups. No big deal, but if I could just get something flatter right away for my new skis that would be ideal.
Sent some questions to ATK earlier today. Some of the discussion below:

You want the Moment Voyager XIV it is a Freeraider with less ramp built in
11-14-2020, 02:44 PM
paal

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sargentdrufus

You want the Moment Voyager XIV it is a Freeraider with less ramp built in

Yeah, saw those.
This is just an alternative. Even flatter (slightly) and with fwd/aft adjustability.
Heavier though.
11-14-2020, 02:55 PM
galibier_numero_un

Quote:

Originally Posted by paal

Yeah, saw those.
This is just an alternative. Even flatter (slightly) and with fwd/aft adjustability.
Heavier though.

As long as you know what ramp angle works for you.

Note that the Std. Raider/Freeraider is 10.5mm which is like a Vipec/Tecton. That's about 7mm less ramp than the stiletto heel (older) Dynafiddles which were in the 17mm range (Verticals, Radicals, etc.).

... Thom
11-14-2020, 03:04 PM
paal

Yup; those exact stilettos were what caused me to start shimming in the first place ;)
11-14-2020, 06:58 PM
Sargentdrufus

Quote:

Originally Posted by paal

Yup; those exact stilettos were what caused me to start shimming in the first place ;)

I shimmed my Ions +11mm down to 6.3mm and it was worth every gram.

The flatter stance is way better and so much less stress and strain on my quads.
11-15-2020, 05:19 PM
Westcoaster

Anyone know when the atk freeraider shoums will get released?
11-20-2020, 09:12 AM
Spyderjon

2 Attachment(s)

5mm toe shims and extended screws for the C-Raider 12:

Attachment 348907

The pan head screws that ATK use are a pain in the ass as they have a smaller than usual head diameter meaning that longer screws have to be reduced to fit in the base recesses:

Attachment 348908
11-20-2020, 09:14 AM
tgapp

yo SJ those c-raider shims are sweet!

if any us mags are gonna order binders from SJ, do you think we could combine shipping so i could snag a pair of those + screws? let me know if anyone is looking to order here!
11-20-2020, 09:45 AM
Benneke10

1 Attachment(s)

Attachment 348923

Got my shims from Spyderjon last night, they look great! Can't wait to use them this season. I ordered 3 pairs for Crests, 2 for me, one for my SO.
11-20-2020, 11:22 AM
ColMan

Thanks for all the info in this thread mags. Pulled the trigger on a pair of Helios 350's (Moosejaw is has a 20% coupon currently).

Going to see how I like the ramp angle (currently using old Fritschi Freerides - no ramp) but tempted to buy some shims from the start.
11-20-2020, 11:27 AM
plugboots

Official ATK Binding Thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by ColMan

Thanks for all the info in this thread mags. Pulled the trigger on a pair of Helios 350's (Moosejaw is has a 20% coupon currently).

Going to see how I like the ramp angle (currently using old Fritschi Freerides - no ramp) but tempted to buy some shims from the start.

Do a direct comparison by screwing them into a 2X4 and going back and forth. Shim or not as needed.
11-20-2020, 02:47 PM
ColMan

Quote:

Originally Posted by plugboots

Do a direct comparison by screwing them into a 2X4 and going back and forth. Shim or not as needed.

Great idea, thanks!
11-20-2020, 03:42 PM
cmeriptahoe

Quote:

Originally Posted by tgapp

yo SJ those c-raider shims are sweet!

if any us mags are gonna order binders from SJ, do you think we could combine shipping so i could snag a pair of those + screws? let me know if anyone is looking to order here!

I just put in an order with Spyderjon today. If he's good with it, you can piggyback on my order across the pond and then we can arrange shipping from me to you.
11-21-2020, 12:16 PM
hafjell

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sargentdrufus

You want the Moment Voyager XIV it is a Freeraider with less ramp built in

Intriguing. https://www.momentskis.com/products/voyager-xiv Not very cheap but with the WC 108s might be an easy/turnkey rig. Wondering how good the WC108s would be on corn/hardpack.
11-21-2020, 09:09 PM
kid-kapow

Quote:

Originally Posted by hafjell

Wondering how good the WC108s would be on corn/hardpack.

I think that you'll find that they are surprisingly good at the latter for being without metal, and plain awesome in the former - provided you like a somewhat centered/progressive mount point. The only non-rockered ski I've been on that is better at spring corn is Kartel(jeffrey)108s, but they have a lower speed limit than wildcat108s and do not like to be driven through the shovels (unlike wildcat108s).
11-22-2020, 10:25 AM
hafjell

Quote:

Originally Posted by kid-kapow

I think that you'll find that they are surprisingly good at the latter for being without metal, and plain awesome in the former - provided you like a somewhat centered/progressive mount point. The only non-rockered ski I've been on that is better at spring corn is Kartel(jeffrey)108s, but they have a lower speed limit than wildcat108s and do not like to be driven through the shovels (unlike wildcat108s).

Thanks, man.
11-22-2020, 11:23 AM
filthyfrenchbum

Hey, does anyone have experience with old vs new FreeRaider 14 (toe brake vs heel brake)? It seems like the old design is tried and tested, whereas the new ones have had some failures. I have the option for either to get shipped from Switzerland.
11-22-2020, 12:36 PM
random_watcher

Quote:

Originally Posted by filthyfrenchbum

Hey, does anyone have experience with old vs new FreeRaider 14 (toe brake vs heel brake)? It seems like the old design is tried and tested, whereas the new ones have had some failures. I have the option for either to get shipped from Switzerland.

What failures have the new ones been having?
11-22-2020, 03:55 PM
bean

I just ordered some Helio 200LT + adjustment track for $415 from gear.com, seemed like a good deal. Gonna put these on some ZG95s. I can’t keep all these various models and rebrandings straight, should I look for a freeride spacer for these or is it not compatible (or necessary)?
11-22-2020, 11:40 PM
filthyfrenchbum

Quote:

Originally Posted by random_watcher

What failures have the new ones been having?

Apparently brake issues.

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