2020-2021 Gear Rumors / Pictures etc

Looks like the Volkl Katana K108 is going to have a limited early launch in March. I was lucky enough to get a pair already. I have put 5 days on the Katanas already at Fernie. I have skied them in all sorts of conditions from Boiler-plate to 35cm of fresh. The ski is AWESOME! If you were a fan of the V-Werks Katana, then the K108 will blow your mind. Easily the most stable ski I have ever been on. Also, very versatile... I will be selling my M5, as I have no need for it anymore. This ski will become my daily driver with a Volkl Two in the closet for big POW days (and a Kuro for Cat skiing). This ski just simplified my quiver. :smile:

As far as GoldenBC's suggestion that this is just a fat carving ski... The ski can carve, but it's hardly just a fat carving ski. This thing rips huge GS turns in any snow condition but can also adjust to small radius turns if need be. That is the great thing about the 3D radius.

For some insight... I am 200Ibs 5'-9" tall. I am 45 years old and ski +/-45 days per season. I have been skiing for 41 years in the Rocky Mountains. I have a place at Fernie, so that is my home hill. I ski very aggressively and prefer BIG terrain. Until I bought the K108, my daily driver was a 184 Katana V-Werks with a 184 Mantra M5 for hardpack days and a Volkl Two 186 for resort powder days.

^ I would like to also be sponsored by Volkl, please pass along my info.

Here is the correct Lange 20/21 catalogue. Nothing exciting but of note, it lists the XT3 140 being a PU/Gril combo in the lower cog vs. PU/PU of the XT3 130. What's the advantage of the Grilamid in this case, extra stiffness at the same weight? Wasn't Lange trying to extol the virtues of the new XT3 going back to the PU ways for a better ski feel?

Lange 2021
DPS 2021
Scott 2021
Armada 2021

This photo and the DPS catalog is hilarious. 4 product lines and 4 different builds that all have unique, totally meaningless names, and a shit ton of skis all within a few mm's waist widths of each other. Someone over there must get off on confusing customers.

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there was a hostile takeover over there at DPS so none of the original crew is there

I know. It's all the more reason to rip on their product line

I keep thinking K108 is the Kartel 108. Thank goodness ON3P reverted back to the Jeffreys so we can keep the K108 and J108 clear.

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This photo and the DPS catalog is hilarious. 4 product lines and 4 different builds that all have unique, totally meaningless names, and a shit ton of skis all within a few mm's waist widths of each other. Someone over there must get off on confusing customers.

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This is such a disappointing lineup. Not only is it needlessly confusing (with a metric fuckton of overlap), but now the widest skis in the DPS line are 112 underfoot. Whatever happened to their Lotus 120 and above skis? Sad to see the company head in this direction.

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This is such a disappointing lineup. Not only is it needlessly confusing (with a metric fuckton of overlap), but now the widest skis in the DPS line are 112 underfoot. Whatever happened to their Lotus 120 and above skis? Sad to see the company head in this direction.

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you may have to squint. there is a Lotus 124 and Koala 119 listed.

the manufacturing manager told me had had some forms marked Lotus 120 but he had no idea what the ski was, I told him it was a cult classic so build it and they will come but I doubt we will see the lotus 120 again

I read it was a hostile takeover by a god head so expect to see little crosses in the graphics

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Most interesting looking ski in quite sometime, a fat slalom ski. Gotta give us a little more info please!

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It's a fat slalom ski! The redic tip shape has amazing turn in but with the metal skeleton layup it is super stable. Think a quicker amd more stable sakana. I dont think I'd want it as a daily since the turn radius is so short but it would be a fun set to add to the quiver for sure.

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This photo and the DPS catalog is hilarious. 4 product lines and 4 different builds that all have unique, totally meaningless names, and a shit ton of skis all within a few mm's waist widths of each other. Someone over there must get off on confusing customers.

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Sad to see the direction that brand went in. They used to build some groundbreaking skis.

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This is such a disappointing lineup. Not only is it needlessly confusing (with a metric fuckton of overlap), but now the widest skis in the DPS line are 112 underfoot. Whatever happened to their Lotus 120 and above skis? Sad to see the company head in this direction.

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Agreed. Management has killed that brand.

They used to have such good skis. Now, a bunch of bleh.

I was recently talking to ski store guy who told me " You know all those guys we sold DPS to, we are now going to sell them Voile's "

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Sad to see the direction that brand went in. They used to build some groundbreaking skis.

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I wouldn’t be surprised to see S. Drake and his Kangol pop up with a new innovative brand sometime soon. The original DPS crew proved their worth and with the likes of Renoun and WNDR pushing innovation, there’s still lots of latitude in the market


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Originally Posted by 1000-oaks

^ I would like to also be sponsored by Volkl, please pass along my info.

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Originally Posted by SnowCreekChad

Looks like the Volkl Katana K108 is going to have a limited early launch in March. I was lucky enough to get a pair already. I have put 5 days on the Katanas already at Fernie. I have skied them in all sorts of conditions from Boiler-plate to 35cm of fresh. The ski is AWESOME! If you were a fan of the V-Werks Katana, then the K108 will blow your mind. Easily the most stable ski I have ever been on. Also, very versatile... I will be selling my M5, as I have no need for it anymore. This ski will become my daily driver with a Volkl Two in the closet for big POW days (and a Kuro for Cat skiing). This ski just simplified my quiver. :smile:

As far as GoldenBC's suggestion that this is just a fat carving ski... The ski can carve, but it's hardly just a fat carving ski. This thing rips huge GS turns in any snow condition but can also adjust to small radius turns if need be. That is the great thing about the 3D radius.

For some insight... I am 200Ibs 5'-9" tall. I am 45 years old and ski +/-45 days per season. I have been skiing for 41 years in the Rocky Mountains. I have a place at Fernie, so that is my home hill. I ski very aggressively and prefer BIG terrain. Until I bought the K108, my daily driver was a 184 Katana V-Werks with a 184 Mantra M5 for hardpack days and a Volkl Two 186 for resort powder days.

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Thanks for sharing. Your report makes me happy and I really want to try the new K108!

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I wouldn’t be surprised to see S. Drake and his Kangol pop up...

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it lists the XT3 140 being a PU/Gril combo in the lower cog vs. PU/PU of the XT3 130. What's the advantage of the Grilamid in this case, extra stiffness at the same weight? Wasn't Lange trying to extol the virtues of the new XT3 going back to the PU ways for a better ski feel?

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Interesting. I would agree with your assessment that the use of grilamid is for more stiffness at the same weight, and it's use is at odds with the Blister podcast where the Lange designer explained the use of PU in the XT3.

Does Thor Verdonk-a-donk post here?

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Interesting. I would agree with your assessment that the use of grilamid is for more stiffness at the same weight, and it's use is at odds with the Blister podcast where the Lange designer explained the use of PU in the XT3.

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If I understand correctly the majority of the flex in an overlap boot comes from the deformation of the lower shell, so it seems logical to use PU there if you want to have a more 'alpine-like' flex, and use lighter, stiffer plastic in the cuff?

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Here is the correct Lange 20/21 catalogue. Nothing exciting but of note, it lists the XT3 140 being a PU/Gril combo in the lower cog vs. PU/PU of the XT3 130. What's the advantage of the Grilamid in this case, extra stiffness at the same weight? Wasn't Lange trying to extol the virtues of the new XT3 going back to the PU ways for a better ski feel?

Lange 2021
DPS 2021
Scott 2021
Armada 2021

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Catalog says cuff is made from Lyftan Polypropolene. I've never heard of a PP being used.

I guess most of you have seen these already, but they were new to me today - so thought I should post in case of some of you had not seen these.

The changes to the Anima are larger than what I thought they would be. Especially the added width out back together with a stiffer flex should change how they ride quite a bit. Will be very interesting to see reviews of the new version. BC often run a couple of cm shorter when measured straight pull, so lengths are pretty nice for pow ski.

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Source: https://issuu.com/zuzupopo/docs/black_crows_2021

I dont get why you would make it stiffer for stability but at the same time reduce the sidecut to make it turnier...

New Line Vision has substantially increased tail rocker.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...f15a917e66.jpg

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The shape on the left doesn't seem to match anything that's currently in Moments lineup. Looks like it might be a new frontside offering.

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Still learning about shape. What makes you think it's a front side offering? Narrow width with wide shovels?

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New Line Vision has substantially increased tail rocker.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...f15a917e66.jpg

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Wow. Story time.

A few things... mainly that there is very little early taper, which Moment tends to like. It's also a very directional shape (mount point and tail design). Also, moderate waist width.

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Still learning about shape. What makes you think it's a front side offering? Narrow width with wide shovels?

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Wow. Story time.

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Just a routine tuck and roll after catching something under the snow. I didn't even realize it was broken until the end of the day.

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It'll buff out!

These modern shapes...

anyone know about the new Black Crows "Justice" they're supposedly replacing the Daemon with?

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anyone know about the new Black Crows "Justice" they're supposedly replacing the Daemon with?

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A re-imagined blend of the Navis and Daemon, with camber, h-shaped metal and lots of rocker. Should be an interesting option in the 98-104 category.

https://blisterreview.com/gear-revie...k-crows-justis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0zdNKwkdFE

Anybody have insight into BD next year, Helio bindings, beacons? Specs on skis? I can't find a catalog

^ I fondled a pair of the new BD Cirque 84s for next season, BD was kind enough to let us raffle off a pair for our local skimo organization. I’ll see if I can find the dims in the pics I took. White topsheets, green sidewalls, tip notch, light, medium flex. Seemed like a dimension-by-dimension clone of the Voile Objective, which is extremely popular here at least. Held a pair of each in the 171 and the BDs seemed a touch lighter. Their new topsheets look sweet too (white).

No real insider info though sorry lol

In the ATK thread people said the FR14 will be rebranded and sold by BD next year

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Anybody have insight into BD next year, Helio bindings, beacons? Specs on skis? I can't find a catalog

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The only thing I can recall seeing are these videos:
https://youtu.be/F0qHegfkA7E

https://youtu.be/eLHZloFMF_I

Skis and bindings
https://youtu.be/pF4elZq2rwI

Touring kit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vqqCcVFdVc

The guys who made the last two videos also have some videos on mittens, summer shoes, duffles and whatnot. They also have a quite a few other short videos from Outdoor Retailer including one from North Face explaining their new mountaineering kit/line up that was fairly interesting imho.

Sorry if the embedding got excessive.

Haven’t been paying attention, looks like this is the year there will be touring boots to fit my feet. I ski both S/Pro 130 and hawx prime 130s alpine boots, both fit me very well with heat molding, so both the new Shift Pro boot and hawx prime xtd 130 should fit great.

Seems like the hawx might be the better boot for touring with greater range of motion.

I am curious if the Hoji Free would fit my foot well, I have yet to be in a boot though that fit without molding/boot work. Narrow heels, high instep, wide forefoot, big claves isn’t fun to fit (especially in a 25.5).

Will have to go try them all on this fall


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Haven’t been paying attention, looks like this is the year there will be touring boots to fit my feet. I ski both S/Pro 130 and hawx prime 130s alpine boots, both fit me very well with heat molding, so both the new Shift Pro boot and hawx prime xtd 130 should fit great.

Seems like the hawx might be the better boot for touring with greater range of motion.

I am curious if the Hoji Free would fit my foot well, I have yet to be in a boot though that fit without molding/boot work. Narrow heels, high instep, wide forefoot, big claves isn’t fun to fit (especially in a 25.5).

Will have to go try them all on this fall


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That hoji last definitely does not have a high instep :/ been there and tried

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That hoji last definitely does not have a high instep :/ been there and tried

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Super low instep, narrower in the forefoot than the stated last says and the heel pocket is not very tight.