Gravel/Bikepack nerds enter...

^nice! I'm planning on my first s24o this coming week. Need to get back into the habit.

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Figured this belongs here:

https://www.the-house.com/qfrmc29l16...med-bikes.html

Drunk Mag approves Peruvian adventure camping.

First ride on the gravel bike. Mostly paved but found a little dirt too.

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Been trying to get out to new and different places on a regular basis, which is hard for me around here without getting in a car and driving (which I did do once). Our weekly mtb group hasn't been meeting, but instead there's a route posted every week that you can ride on your own. This week was something I've never actually done before, and I decided to take the cx bike so i could ride there a little easier and much of the route is road and old double track.

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Been trying to get out to new and different places on a regular basis, which is hard for me around here without getting in a car and driving (which I did do once). Our weekly mtb group hasn't been meeting, but instead there's a route posted every week that you can ride on your own. This week was something I've never actually done before, and I decided to take the cx bike so i could ride there a little easier and much of the route is road and old double track.

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That looks sweet. You guys definitely seem to have more of that riding over by you which is cool. We have pretty damn flat, or straight up barely rideable unless it's July and been sunbaked and the snow is melted off kinda stuff. Not much in between.

Up at 10,000 ft lakes

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That looks sweet. You guys definitely seem to have more of that riding over by you which is cool. We have pretty damn flat, or straight up barely rideable unless it's July and been sunbaked and the snow is melted off kinda stuff. Not much in between.

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I'm not familiar with your area at all but I'd assume there's plenty of stuff around? We've been putting some gravel and forest roads on trailforks, plus there's the strava heat map.

https://www.strava.com/heatmap#8.00/....75506/hot/all

With all the recent bear activity -I practically ran into one the other day, and there are a couple of reports of bears with cubs in our main system- I think I'm going for a road ride today. Need to bump up the mileage a bit before the end of the month anyway.

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That looks sweet. You guys definitely seem to have more of that riding over by you which is cool. We have pretty damn flat, or straight up barely rideable unless it's July and been sunbaked and the snow is melted off kinda stuff. Not much in between.

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Have you ridden the W side of the Bridgers yet? North up to Maudlow, and/or connected over to Nixon Gulch down to the Gallatin River? That's a massive complex of rolling roads (with a few bigger climbs if you drop to the river). It's all dry and ready to go.

I've never done it, but there's an unofficial race/group ride up there every year with a map that shows a small bit of the available riding: http://www.morganzo55.com/the-route/

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Have you ridden the W side of the Bridgers yet? North up to Maudlow, and/or connected over to Nixon Gulch down to the Gallatin River? That's a massive complex of rolling roads (with a few bigger climbs if you drop to the river). It's all dry and ready to go.

I've never done it, but there's an unofficial race/group ride up there every year with a map that shows a small bit of the available riding: http://www.morganzo55.com/the-route/

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Nice. I have started exploring over that way. Almost made it to Maudlow a couple weeks back, but the road surface was really crappy (brand new gravel plus endless "waves" from duallys breaking loose....not breaking bumps) and I had somewhere to be so I had to bail. Thats top of my list though to head that way to the river.

This just in!

Gonna have to sell my Slate over the winter and pick up a Topstone Carbon Lefty!

https://www.facebook.com/RideCannond...DEyMTA3MDIyMQ/

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Nice. I have started exploring over that way. Almost made it to Maudlow a couple weeks back, but the road surface was really crappy (brand new gravel plus endless "waves" from duallys breaking loose....not breaking bumps) and I had somewhere to be so I had to bail. Thats top of my list though to head that way to the river.

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That Gallatin River Ranch area is great. Lots of mini loops with short, intense climbs.

If you’re ok with some road riding, going up and over Flathead Pass and then down Bridger Canyon is a killer loop too.

This thread is killing it and making me lust over a gravel rig.

Kathleen Turner with the killer recco for my ride today. Finally got in a nice big loop. Just under 70 miles.

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Ditched the full frame bag for the Revelate Tangle half bag. I like drinking out of bottles and this bag still holds a ton of stuff. Highly recommend it.

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Anyone else do much bikepacking with a 1x wishing they had 2x?

Yes, and No... I'm on a 32x 11-46 now, will likely move down to a 30 for an upcoming tour. The reality is that I coast once I hit over 20 when bikepacking, that is my best spot for recovery.

However, when I eventually do the Tour Divide Route, I'll have a 2x. Something in the 28/36 range up front, I'll want to make time if I get a tailwind and on the paved sections.

Side note: I'll never run larger than the 46 on the back. I like the smaller jumps in a tighter cassette. I'd prefer to get back to the 11-42.

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Anyone else do much bikepacking with a 1x wishing they had 2x?

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for racing yes

for touring no.

if you run smaller than 42 cassette yes

Local loop. Come up that road

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Good stuff

I see Peruvian is running the WTB Byways. Anyone else? Seem to be a pretty popular choice. I end up riding a lot of pavement here if I ride from home to the dirt like I did yesterday. Thinking I could have done more milage on something faster rolling. I would run tubeless and probably close to 40psi. I was running 39 rear/37 front yesterday on the resolutes and that still seemed too soft sometimes. I like the narrow shape of the Resolute 42s compared to most of the 650b offerings, but I realize if I go with a smoother tread I will need more width when off road to have any chance at grip.

Haven't look at a Kenda since I used to run the Happy Mediums on XC bike. This is a new offering and looks pretty interesting.

https://bicycle.kendatire.com/en-us/.../alluvium-pro/

Was just looking at those as my shop has a couple of orbea terras with them on the floor. I'm probably going to get one for the rear and then put a booster up front.

https://bicycle.kendatire.com/en-us/...l/booster-pro/

Pretty certain the 40s will both fit but it's nice the alluvium comes in a 35 and that booster in a 37. My nanos had plenty of clearance until I put them on a wider, tubeless wheel. Now it's close, like 1-2mm to the chainstay.

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Yes, and No... I'm on a 32x 11-46 now, will likely move down to a 30 for an upcoming tour. The reality is that I coast once I hit over 20 when bikepacking, that is my best spot for recovery.

However, when I eventually do the Tour Divide Route, I'll have a 2x. Something in the 28/36 range up front, I'll want to make time if I get a tailwind and on the paved sections.

Side note: I'll never run larger than the 46 on the back. I like the smaller jumps in a tighter cassette. I'd prefer to get back to the 11-42.

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I'm running 30x 11-46 on a Karate Monkey and it's fine as a trail bike/camping rig. Looking at new drop bar gravel bikes now and the 1x setups seem to be mostly 42t or 40t x 11-42 which seems fine for dirt road riding but might not be awesome for a loaded adventure. Cutthroat comes with 36t which seems closer to the ballpark for a do it all setup.

Mntlion, what are you running up front for touring?

Or just use 1x12. Shimano's "approved" double setups are only a 10t jump between rings and an 11-42 cassette. Here is that compared to xt 1x12:

http://ritzelrechner.de/?GR=DERS&KB=...45,51&UF2=2309


If you stay out of the smallest couple cogs in the little ring you can fudge that and just run an appropriately long chain so you don't break anything shifting into big-big. Like 22/38 or something and just live with not good front shifting and limitations on cross chaining. Those combos above are a crazy lowest low gear though and enough to pedal at reasonable speeds downhill.

^^ I'd love to but I'm looking at complete builds and haven't seen anything with that as an option. Most everything I'm looking in my price range at has some version of SRAM Apex or maybe Shimano GRX.

Along those lines if anyone has a 1x crankset that works with 68mm BB for sale please let me know. The damn Apex on my bike is limited to 40t as the smallest possible ring. Would like run 36t or maybe even 34t if loaded up and doing some backcountry singletrack overnights, etc.

Front rings are an easy swap and cost $50. Get a smaller one when touring and keep a larger for day trips.

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Front rings are an easy swap and cost $50. Get a smaller one when touring and keep a larger for day trips.

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That was the plan but Sram APEX 1 is limited to 40t. Can get a 38t oval from absolute black. Really just need a different crankset that can take just about any size ring.

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^^ I'd love to but I'm looking at complete builds and haven't seen anything with that as an option. Most everything I'm looking in my price range at has some version of SRAM Apex or maybe Shimano GRX.

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Yeah that kind of applied more to diy and flat bars. A "gravel" bike off the floor is either going to have 2x with 46/30 x 11-34 or a 1x with like 40 x 11-42. Probably the easiest/cheapest way to do wide range and road shifters would be 2x11 sram with those 46/30 rings and a gx rear derailleur. But that's still a new shifter, spider, rings, cassette, derailleurs to get going.

Or maybe just a 2x grx drivetrain and one of those linkage things and a bigger cassette.

Gravel, sand, whatever bike

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for front singles (and 1x11 setups in general). now that MTB is all 1x12… 1x11 cranksets can be had for cheaper. running XT m8000 crankset and RD with a 36T ring and 11-42 on the back. grx shifters with shiftmate. grx shifters paired with the grx RD would probably be a bit better though...

Anyone follow Ted King at all? He is in the middle of a pretty crazy gravel epic. 300+ mile 31k feet of climbing almost completely on gravel. (https://www.iamtedking.com/blog/diyg...kanza-ad-astra) It was supposed to be dirty kanza yesterday so this is his ode to it. If you are looking for some time to kill, Ted's youtube channel is also pretty entertaining.

The route was created by one of the guys at bikepacking.com. It seriously has me thinking about turning the route into a pretty awesome ~5 day bike packing trip.

Anyway here are the mrs and my gravel rigs for a bit of attention... Just picked up the cutthroat a few weeks ago and it absolutely rips
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^^ friend of mine told me about Ted's excellent adventure last night, big pull

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for front singles (and 1x11 setups in general). now that MTB is all 1x12… 1x11 cranksets can be had for cheaper. running XT m8000 crankset and RD with a 36T ring and 11-42 on the back. grx shifters with shiftmate. grx shifters paired with the grx RD would probably be a bit better though...

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this is probably my solution to these off the rack drivetrains

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I see Peruvian is running the WTB Byways. Anyone else? Seem to be a pretty popular choice. I end up riding a lot of pavement here if I ride from home to the dirt like I did yesterday. Thinking I could have done more milage on something faster rolling. I would run tubeless and probably close to 40psi. I was running 39 rear/37 front yesterday on the resolutes and that still seemed too soft sometimes. I like the narrow shape of the Resolute 42s compared to most of the 650b offerings, but I realize if I go with a smoother tread I will need more width when off road to have any chance at grip.

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700c here, but I have lots of miles on resolute 42s. Recently threw on some 34 byways hoping to turn the bike into a rocket. My takeaway is that the byways are efficient and surprisingly capable on mixed surfaces. Ironically, I was consistently faster on some long stretches of pavement on the resolutes. I think the road hum of that tire is misleading, they are quite efficient on pavement and remarkable on gravel. My only beef with that tire is they don’t corner as confidently in dirt as the riddler or venture. This is obviously due to the rounder profile and less prominent shoulder knobs. Running some 45 riddlers now, but likely back to the resolute for me down the line for all purpose mixed bag PNW mileage.

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700c here, but I have lots of miles on resolute 42s. Recently threw on some 34 byways hoping to turn the bike into a rocket. My takeaway is that the byways are efficient and surprisingly capable on mixed surfaces. Ironically, I was consistently faster on some long stretches of pavement on the resolutes. I think the road hum of that tire is misleading, they are quite efficient on pavement and remarkable on gravel. My only beef with that tire is they don’t corner as confidently in dirt as the riddler or venture. This is obviously due to the rounder profile and less prominent shoulder knobs. Running some 45 riddlers now, but likely back to the resolute for me down the line for all purpose mixed bag PNW mileage.

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Thanks. I think I will just keep upping air pressure and see where it gets me. I wonder how much of it is just being on 650b vs. 700c as far as good roll on pavement. I think I just have to come to grips with the fact that if I want a tire that can grip and survive up a chunky fire road I will have to deal with some tread resistance on pavement. There is no tire that does it all perfectly.

The Resolutes (700x42) were on my short list as I've read that the center tread rolls well on hard surfaces but they have excellent traction when needed. They look knobby AF so I shied away, but they may be my next tire, just to do a comparison.

Good day for a ride. Just squeaked over 70 miles. Finally feel like my fitness is coming around a bit. Ride should have been faster though. Last 20ish miles was brutal headwind down the canyon.

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I see Peruvian is running the WTB Byways. Anyone else? Seem to be a pretty popular choice. I end up riding a lot of pavement here if I ride from home to the dirt like I did yesterday. Thinking I could have done more milage on something faster rolling. I would run tubeless and probably close to 40psi. I was running 39 rear/37 front yesterday on the resolutes and that still seemed too soft sometimes. I like the narrow shape of the Resolute 42s compared to most of the 650b offerings, but I realize if I go with a smoother tread I will need more width when off road to have any chance at grip.

Haven't look at a Kenda since I used to run the Happy Mediums on XC bike. This is a new offering and looks pretty interesting.

https://bicycle.kendatire.com/en-us/.../alluvium-pro/

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Just went to Byways on my Journeyman. 650x47s set up tubeless. Running close to 40 psi normally.

On pavement they are about 20-30% faster than my knobby 2.1s that I had prior. No grip issues so far, but I don’t normally ride anything loose.

For those Strava users, the latest update to their route finder differentiates between dirt and paved roads and also has a feature where you can modify a route to use as much non paved surfaces as possible. The route finder also now shows heat maps - this makes mixing in singIetrack and dirt roads too easy. I have yet to find a resource that maps out dirt roads and trails so well.

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For those Strava users, the latest update to their route finder differentiates between dirt and paved roads and also has a feature where you can modify a route to use as much non paved surfaces as possible. The route finder also now shows heat maps - this makes mixing in singIetrack and dirt roads too easy. I have yet to find a resource that maps out dirt roads and trails so well.

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Are you building routes on Strava and then exporting them to a secondary computer like a Bolt? Realizing I have to finally sack up and get a real bike computer that I can see/access/use with relative ease while riding. Phone is just too cumbersome.