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Gotta check out the new Ski in person at Squaw over the weekend and it’s a pretty sweet shape. Very smooth transitions in tip, tail, and rocker lines and nice side cut. Looks solid and uncomplicated like the RX but def more playful and snappy.Quote:
Originally Posted by N1CK.
Not it sure what your use case is but it looks like a wicked ski for a lot of different terrain. The 110 waist looks spot on too for an all mountain tool. If they had added a 179cm like in the RX I’d be all over it.
Should be a good buy
Definitely should have shown some restraint but, pulled the trigger on EXP +10mm, heavy core + carbon, wood veneer to replace Rustler 10 for all mountain resort pounder and a Concept -10mm, UL core, wood veneer to replace BC's. Needless to say I'm excited and poor 😃
I'm betting theyll ne super fun(exp plus 10). Sold my exp's to Thom and we've both found them ridiculously stable for a light skinny ski. Was kind of tossing around the idea of a plus 10 set to justify using them more. Might be a ways off but hopefully hear how they're skiing for youQuote:
Originally Posted by kix515
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So I lucked out with a 6-8” powder day two weeks ago, and headed off to A-Basin with the EXPs and my Vipec mounted GPOs. The temptation to ski the GPOs all day was too great. About 4 hours in, the powder was cooked and so was I. I was ready to call it quits, went to the car and couldn’t resist (even though thoroughly trashed), so I pulled out the EXPs.Quote:
Originally Posted by grinch
I stayed away from steep chop, but still worked my way into lots of sloppy seconds. It’s hard going into that stuff when you’re tired and have been acclimated to the GPOs.
So … I really like Keith’s design decisions. They’re a very balanced ski, with the long effective edge, soft-ish flex (@grinch told me these custom 173s have a #3 flex), and relatively short turn radius. You can really bend them into a tight radius. I forgot what carving tight-ish turns and driving the front of the ski felt like.
The choppy/slop? Well, I was trashed, but managed to work through it. I didn’t dive into and linger in the fall line the way I would with my GPOs or CD114s, and I missed that, but no ski does everything.
Last week, I went for a side-country tour, but not wanting to screw up (and piss off my buddy), I took my CD104s out. Conditions were about 3" of hot pow over a bit of scratchy stuff.
We came back inbounds later on and did some ski testing. I got two more runs on the EXPs in mashed potatoes.
The short story is that I can't imagine any skis this light (1400g) being more stable than these EXPs. In the slop, the tips want to deflect (doh!) but they also self-center quickly after the fact (does that make sense?). I found that by driving forward, they take commands well and the tips are much more stable through the slop.
I'm with @grinch, and the only question becomes how many late season, long missions do I go on where I end up taking them. Which sacrifice on a given day would I regret most (or least) - weight advantage with less "drive", or better downhill with more effort on the up? As Doug Coombs said in the Q&P tune (with respect to wax) - it's going to be right somewhere on the mountain ;-)
If you like your GPOs at -1 to -1.75, mount these on the line. @grinch also started off with them at -1 and then moved them forward to on the line.
Damn! They're light on your feet.
... Thom
Yes, good point Thom
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Siiiiiick. I've been ho humming between a - 10 concept and and an MVP. This is the first mention I've seen of one being made.Quote:
Originally Posted by kix515
Excited to hear about that ski when you get it on snow. I neglected my concepts this past season for my Qs but plan to get back on them a lot this year. Love that ski.
X2 all the way around. Q’s were such a great ride for the all softness around here this winter. Then I spent quite a few days on my MVP’s when it wasn’t so soft. Long story short, I like my Concepts a lot more than my MVP’s. I don’t dislike the MVP’s at all, they’re a great all around ski with a much more traditional feel, but I just prefer my Concept’s pretty much everywhere, they’re just so damn fun. I definitely won’t be neglecting them again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shu Shu
If anyone is interested in selling a 187 MVP, let me know.
Also have a pair of 188 Skinny Qs, 4 flex heavy core that I will be putting up in GS at some point in the next few months
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Looking forward to them. Already have an EXP 4flex, UL core mounted with Dynafits and have been super happy with them. Strangely they are not that light, one of the builders said that the weight savings are much less on the narrower skis as the hardwoods make up most of the ski still. Either way they have been fantastic in a variety of conditions from Australian groomers to Sierra summer snow. Hopefully they hold up, or more I hold up as a resort basher.
@shushu & @eskido I've loved the concept and reach for it regularly. Only 2nd guessing is how much the feel changes from glass/hardwoods layup vs UL carbon. Was also dreaming about the nice grip in icy skintracks and scoured areas. Hopefully still skis all the junk snow almost as forgiving as the BC with a bit more charginess vs playfulness. Hopefully not too much bite given how it rails for such a large ski in its standard form.
Held off on enduro carbon Qs to be mounted with shifts as a travel/slackcountry ski. I showed some restraint...
No experience with the UL layup, although the Veneer will definitely add a bit of "chill" to that construction. That being said given what seems like a mostly touring application sounds like it will work great for you. My GPOs are MAP carbon with Nylon top and they are outstanding in untracked. I think an UL with Veneer might not feel to far off from that.Quote:
Originally Posted by kix515
Can't wait to hear how the concept skis scaled down to the midfat waist. I bet it will be insanely quick. My regular Concepts are full on tree skiing ninja sticks.
Re: the Qs...there's always next year :)
Just got an email that the 10 year olds custom GPO’s are ready to ship!
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I have gpo's in MAP and UL with veneer - the UL's are def poppier and lose less in damping than I thought they would. It makes me think that concept's in a carbon layup would be a very interesting touring ski - kinda like a deathwish tour with the added damping that added width brings, and surfier (in my experience on the MAP version of the concept)Quote:
Originally Posted by Shu Shu
Am I reading you correctly - that UL/Veneer is almost as damp as MAP (Enduro) / Nylon?Quote:
Originally Posted by sruffian
A UL/Veneer GPO has been floating in my head as the ideal Winter touring ski.
As it is, I'm loving my Enduro/Nylon GPOs, but going to lighter bindings and UL/Veneer wouldn't cause any regrets for my lazy ass ;-)
... Thom
I have nylon top sheet carbon enduro light core. Super versatile, nice mixture of damp and pop. Going to add shifts and they will be a sidecountry/travel ski.
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Thom - like I said, in an UL layup with veneer, they are damper than they should be for how poppy they are. I would not say they're almost as damp as map/nylon, but that's relative. If MAP and nylon is a nice feel for an inbounds ski, UL and veneer is a great compromise for soft snow.
the ul veneer gpo is my winter touring stick. I thought they'd be a bit narrow for a dedicated pow setup and my tastes, but the ul veneer in a 187 at -1 feels like it floats better than my map/nylon 192's at recommended. I think it's the mount point.
Great for soft snow and versatile enough for mixed conditions on entrances/exits, changing conditions. Enough meat to be fun in heavy sierra cement and mine came in right around 2000 grams
thrilled to have found this forum! I have been chatting with Keith and am strongly considering a pair of 9D8’s and looking for a little help...
I currently ski a pair of Liberty V82's. I love them but looking to add something wider to my quiver. I am 95% front side, trail skier and primarily east coast. I also have a 7 & 5 year old so I need a ski that I can control at slow speeds when I do a few runs a day with them after ski school. We are headed to Utah for 10 days this winter to do Park City, Deer Valley and Alta. So I am looking for something wider underfoot than my Liberty that still have good carving control and low speed capability. I will be keeping my Liberty's and adding these so they don't need to replace, but compliment. I would still like to be able to use them in East though. The 9D8 seems to fit the bill well but would love some input.
Other skis I have considered:
ON3P Woodsman 96
J Master Blaster
Black Crow Camox
Moment PB&J
Nordica Enforcer 100
I’m a Wasatch skier and have 9D8’s. However, they are a low tide no new snow ski. Great on the groomed, bumps etc.
If you are here when there is new snow you will be seriously indergunned.
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Can you elaborate a bit more?Quote:
Originally Posted by detrusor
people on the west coast consider anything under 100 underfoot to be a "no new snow" ski. it might be what you consider fat coming from the east coast but it's barely all mountain around here. if you get a foot or more while in Utah it would be nice to have something over 110.
I have the 9D8s and am a big fan. Very maneuverable and predictable skis. I also have wider skis, which, given our last 5 winters and parenthood sprinkled on top, have gotten less use.
9D8s are a great ski, though AM-ish for the Rockies.
I'm a huge fan of the Freeride for a slightly floatier yet still carvey ski.
What everyone is trying to say is out west, most people’s every day ski is 98-110 underfoot, our version of your Liberty V82s. I personally have a pair of GS skis (65ish under foot) and a pair of Brahmas, but they get used 1 and 8 days a year.Quote:
Originally Posted by ma_rippin
Will the 9D8 and the other skis you listed work for what you appear to be looking for, yeah, but most people on here would recommend something closer to 105-110 under foot as a second ski to compliment a 82mm ski. Something like the Cochise, Enforcer 110, BC Corvus, Backland 107 (or is it 108 now), Praxis Freeride, something like that.
Personally I go from 98 under foot (Kastle MX 98) to 116-118 under foot (Praxis Super Freerides (+10mm wide) or Quixote’s, or Shiros). If I moved back east, I’d take Brahmas or MX 98s, and the Quixote’s or Shiros as a 2 ski quiver, and just bring those out west for trips.
If none of this is helpful, keep up the conversation with Keith, he has been awesome to me. If that’s not helping, maybe check out BlisterGearReview.com and start digging into the reviews. I think they have a membership where you can talk to the reviewers about specific skis and quiver slots.
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Elaborate
Let’s see. At speed jumping into the chop they will dive.
In the untracked you’ll need a reasonably heel heavy stance plus a turny style to keep from sinking big time.
I would pick up the MVP’s on the real page as a complimentary ski to your ‘80s under foot skis.
Or demo.
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MVP is an awesome EC ski that would serve you well out west. Replacement pair less than 24hrs from my doorstep. :fm: Old part still in great shape, just wanted another pair and to support Keith and the Praxis team.
My 193 MVPs are really fun in pow until/unless it gets really deep. I was surprised at how surfy/frictionless they feel in soft stuff considering their all mountain versatility.
I received my The Ski 185s ... they look sick. Traditional camber, nice tip rocker, mellow tail, stout flex (#4, heavy hitter core) and little taper which I like.
I'd think these are going to be a killer for anything/everything save for worst condition or best conditions.
If this is a variation on the RX, I kinda want to ski the RX now.
cheers.
This post is useless without piktures!Quote:
Originally Posted by N1CK.
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damn tgr auto rotate
I had this graphic on GPO that I sold to tone ... always loved the look so I choose it again.
Nice. Interesting shape.
If you're thinking that's a lot of sidecut, I get it.
I get it too! I haven't been on a 20-21m ski in a while. Carving tight turns in tight places on the EXPs I got from @grinch was ... a lot of fun!Quote:
Originally Posted by N1CK.
... Thom
Fyi, Keith is running a flash sale on custom BC model through today for those that aren't aware.
I’m waiting for Quixote’s to go on sale
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I picked up a pair of those last year :DQuote:
Originally Posted by skibrd
(not custom though)
Didn't you just sell a pair on gear swap?
Stock pair for 700 on the website right now...Quote:
Originally Posted by skibrd
That BC is a sweet deal, always wanted a pair of those, that’s a great heads up! Can’t believe he’s doing a different model every Mon-Tues!!
“I don’t need more skis, I don’t need more skis, I don’t need more skis!”
I did sell my stock pair. I want a non-camber pair of Qs. I think that will be the replacement for Shiros I’ve been looking for.Quote:
Originally Posted by 3PinGrin
I have nothing bad to say about the stock Qs, I really liked them, as I’ve stated a few times in different places, I just think a small tweak will make them even better for what I want.
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Ah, really like the stock build so wondered.Quote:
Originally Posted by skibrd
Ordered a pair of custom BCs late last night after much debate whether to finally go A/T for touring.
Still going to tele the resorts for now but I was very enamored by my ex's BCs with Salomon MTN binding setup last hear as I was pushing big hunks of metal bindings around, and now I have a knee issue that popped up.
would somebody with a pair of RX post up or point me towards a profile/camber picture?
just curious to compare to the Ski profile.
2019 stock flex, veneer, 189cm, skied maybe 5 days, so still pretty much in its original formQuote:
Originally Posted by N1CK.
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