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Grab the last 189 Wren 108, before it’s too late!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ottime
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I think we're down to 3 in stock if anyone wants one now.
Next presale opening will be late this month/early next month with a mid-late May press, for those still wanting the Aever flex.
It has gotten out of control... probably time to thin...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ottime
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I see Bachelor on the demo tour
any supergoats on tour?
Not right now. Fleet is all 2019 though.Quote:
Originally Posted by acinpdx
I took supergoats out in a mixed density powder storm today, windy with no visability. Couldn’t see shit. Soft, creamy snow that was getting lighter throughout the day, maybe 8-9in. Pretty untracked for Squaw, from new snow falling and the wind blowing some of the lighter stuff around. Plus, no one out in that nasty weather. I enjoyed every second. Yesterday I skied deeper snow with more visability, on 2017 189 stock BGs.
SG’s are incredibly easy to initiate turns with in untracked me snow, or on soft groomers. I could feel the asym and RES working their magic together in soft snow. It’s astonishing. They aren’t as loose in the tail as normal BGs, and they kind of “carve” more. I can carve the 2017 BGs decently well, better than the 2015s, but the new asym combined with the slightly flatter tail definitely carves harder on anything even remotely soft.
Truly, they feel almost like 191 Wrens mixed with 191 BGs, except more floaty. SG’s keep all of the best traits of both, and rarely show any of the flaws. Not major flaws, but sometimes I find the 189 2017 BGs to dive a bit in lighter, fluffier snow, and also they dont hold speed as well in untracked flats. The 191 Wrens want to just nuke the fall line, and demand a lot of input to break free and get creative in powder.
I could feel the extra stability today, when I had to straight line some chunder with no visability. I wasnt going super fast, but ran into some choppy chop without warning multiple times, and I felt I could just keep driving them no matter what. They do all the work. Keep in that forward position, and they run over everything. For better skiers than me, the sky is the limit with these things.
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Mine arrived today, need to find some time to mount and hopefully the storm predicted next week comes in.
Where do you ski?Quote:
Originally Posted by carlh
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Obviously these are powder skis. That said, would you still want to ski them once the powder starts getting moguled up? are they going to be forgiving or relatively quick edge to edge in hardpack, or do i have to be skiing soft, un-bumped terrain? I assume they will be fine if im skiing fast and skipping over the top of the bumps, but i dont always want to be angry-skiing.
My 2011 191 BGs are a handful if i have to get them through bumps.
As long as there’s soft snow to starve, yes.
Dust on crust over deep hard bumps, not really.
They ski angry for the most part.
Has anyone AB’d them against 196 Renegades?
Is it amateur form to go full Super without trying Billy 1st?
I ski WA cascades, looks like a front coming in later next week, sunshine and warm this weekend so planning to go touring.
Jupiter: I went straight to super, have not skied anything ON3P before, will report back. I am a bigger guy (6'3" 200lbs) have had a bamboo core before and liked it, I like semi pintails in powder (Lhasa!) and prefer flatter tails it seemed like the way to go.
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Originally Posted by Betelgeuse
I skied the stiff super for a bunch of runs in 20+" of pow. Kickass ski. I bought the 191, couldn't pass up a good deal. I personally like the super better. Just as loose yet it sets an edge better when needed, I don't have an issue with the 191 per se. The tip profile is better than the 191, doesn't plow as much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Self Jupiter
If I were you I would go super. If I could find a deal on them I would buy them as I'm a cheap bastard and have a real hard time paying retail for skis.
I Agree 100%Quote:
Originally Posted by 2FUNKY
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^ cool, thx u doods. Sounds like the Super has a little more of that frictionless feeling I’ve come to love / be addicted to with Rens / EHP. Seems like a hell of a soft-snow travel ski in a two ski quiver, fun in powder, very versatile and not too beastly- i wouldn’t go full aever. ON3P indestructibility and the corest of skis in the lines. It’s been base-smashing season on the EC this year, despite getting more than average powder days.
And I hear ya on paying retail- never done that, but even regular BGs seem to have crazy value around here. Guess we all like to smash rocks.
It’s only “too” beastly in deep bumps. Otherwise, very easy to ski.
I only buy retail when it’s On3p. Hell, I won’t spend over $500 unless it’s an On3p. That is a lot of money for me, but I feel you really get what you pay for. A better performing, more durable ski..
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I have a hard time believing any ski is more durable than Praxis which are gifted survivalists, but it is the word, and is bond.
Praxis is up there too, but I still think On3p has more bombproof bases.
Praxis are worth the money also. Pretty much the only 2 brands I’d shell out $600 plus for a ski.
I used to be a really big Moment fan, but I am not anymore. They make great performing skis, but the softwood core materials, absolute shit finishing jobs, and elitist attitude really pushed me away. I was looking at 2018 Deathwishes the other day. Brand new with no wax whatsoever on the base. Dry as I have ever seen. And the topsheets already had some burrs on them, and they’re semi-cap.. I just feel like they are giving me a huge middle finger if I buy there skis. To each their own though.
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I've hit some rocks pretty dang hard on my 191s and they keep going hard. And that's not smooth granite, but fucking sharp dagger basalt. Like all skis, obviously there is a limit to what kind of punishment a ski can take and speed, direction of travel, if you have a powder bow wave, etc are all factors.
Same base material, same sidewall material, but thicker bases and edges on ON3Ps. So ON3Ps are a bit more resistant to damage than Praxis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Self Jupiter
Schwing giggity
Great day at the bird on my SG’s. Amazing soft snow ski. Variable density and they just plow through. Hard to believe a ski can be this stable and undemanding. Pretty sure they’ll never see a boiler plate day so who cares
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Super Goats vs 192 GPOs vs 196 Bodacious
Disclaimer: I'm not very eloquent when writing reviews
About me:
32 years old
5'10"
205lbs
Other skis I've liked:
192 LP105
192 ProTest
202 Lotus 138
186 Automatic 117
180 Experience 98
Skis I've disliked:
192 Mr. Pollard's Opus
184 Armada Declivity
(I don't like center mounted skis)
Super Goats:
I put my money where my mouth was and jumped on the SG train this year since my beloved GPOs delamed at the end of last season (stump-1 GPO-0).
3 word review:
Zero fucks given
The SGs don't care what you put in front of them because they will handle it, zero fucks given.
Speed is what the Super Goats crave and if you give it to them they will reward you. 2funky wrote a good review on the SGs (post #420 in this thread) and I agree with his assessment on the skis. They rage. SGs are the best soft chop skis I've ever been on. They blow through it like it isn't even there. 2funky said it best when he said:
"You can literally be hauling ballz, set the edge, pour a cup of tea and enjoy it without spilling a drop though cut up snow."
SGs are awesome. They're great in 3d snow (pow, chop, crud), trees (as long as not too tight), predicable on 2d snow and can hold an edge on soft groomers They're not the most fun in big, set up bumps but soft spaced bumps are good.
They like fairly centered stance especially on 2d snow. Too much tip pressure will cause the tails to wash out. In pow they can be driven.
The SG is a big, stiff ski that is incredibly accessible.
192 GPO:
3 word review:
Dash n Slash
This was my go to ski for the past few years. Initially, I was underwhelmed by this ski. I thought is was just, meh. However, I forced myself to ski it and then I found myself pulling out of the ski bag almost every day I made it to the mountain.
The GPO is a jack of all traits ski that loves the fall line. It's OK in untouched pow, better in tracked pow, and great in trees. I love setting it on edge and carving the crap out of soft groomers even though it doesn't give much rebound out of the turn.
The tails are supportive but loose so if you're skiing tight trees and need to dump some speed throw quick slash then you can dash through the choke.
The GPO is one of my favorite skis. It is great.
196 Bodacious:
3 word review:
Charge and slarve
I've only spent a handful of days on these skis. The Bodacious are heavy. They are the heaviest planks I've clicked into. When the skis are on the snow I don't really notice the weight but they feel cumbersome in the air and on the chair lift. My SGs feel like light weights in comparison.
The Bodes are damp, full metal, crank it to 11 skis. If you like skis that have a really nice, smooth on snow feel, the Bodes might be right up your alley. While the Bodes are smooth, they're not particularly quick skis. Positive input is required from the pilot gets these skis to go where you want them to go. They are more work than the SGs and the GPOs.
In pow the Bodacious float fairly nicely. Even though the tails on these skis are fairly flat with very little splay, they are incredibly easy to kick them into a slarve. That was the most surprising thing about the Bodes. Devouring chop is also in their wheelhouse.
The 196 Bodacious is a solid ski. Sure it's heavy and it takes a strong pilot to manuever them but they are rewarding and fun to ski. I've had a blast skiing them.
Powder:
SGs are the best in powder. Followed by the Bodes and then the GPOs.
Chop, soft crud:
SGs are the best chop ski I've ever been on. They just flatten everything in they're path. Amazing. Bodes don't give up too much in chop but they're not SG good. GPOs are also pretty damn good in chop as well.
Soft groomers:
GPOs are great on edge. They're just so quick and fun. The Bodes are also good carving fat skis. When carving on the Bodes and you're pushing into the ski, it's like they just beg you for more. Your legs will give out before the Bodes are satisfied. The SGs are OK at carving. The SGs hold an edge but they're not particularly exciting in this regard.
Set up crud:
SGs, Bodes, GPOs
Firm/icy conditions:
I grab other skis when things are firm but I'd rate them as SGs, Bodes and then GPOs. All three of these skis are predicable, stable skis. They'll get you down the mountain without any surprises.
In the air:
I like to pop off wind lips and drop small cornices but I don't flip or spin. Tricks are for kids. I'd rank GPOs first then SGs followed by the Bodes in dead last. The Bodes are just so heavy. They feel cumbersome in the air. All three skis stop landings.
Bumps:
GPOs are quick skis so they're not bad in bumps. SGs aren't great in bumps but they're not that bad. Bodes are the slowest of the three skis and they take the most energy to ski so they're the least fun in zee moguls.
I like all three of these skis.
Any downsides? I'm weary of reviews that only sing praises. Or maybe the super goat really is the second coming of jeebus
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Deep moguls and super tight spots.Quote:
Originally Posted by KillerMonkey
I only have one day in super heavy setup up tahoe snow on mine but Kopi's review is spot on. Downsides, I don't get enough powder days and the skis don't want to go slow so they prefer open terrain. For going fast on big lines in soft snow tracked or untracked these are awesome. For toodling around in the trees, it can be done they pivot easier than my goliaths but your legs will get tired fast.
100% Agree...Quote:
Originally Posted by carlh
The thigh burn from Aeverflex is serious. SG’s are not mogul skis.
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I’m no pro or TGR wannabe pro, but reading these reviews, it sounds almost exactly like how I’d describe my Sick Day 114’s.
Now I really need to try the SG. My Bodes are for sure heavy, but never feel cumbersome. Either in the air or at slow speeds. So man, the SG must be like feather weight super skis.
Thanks for the review!
I just read this. Nice review! Kinda making me want to try the GPO. It sounds like a blend of BG’s and RX.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kopi_Red
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The story has been told already by other SG users. But after a weekend of wet heavy snow, I really got a feel for these skis. My feet feel like someone beat on them with a baseball bat. So maybe it is time to upgrade the boot situation.
Took the SG’s out at Snowbird today. Totally blown away again. First day spousal unit has been able to join me on them. She said they make me a better human.
Also skiing w the kiddos. Pretty impressed w the ability to make slow controlled turns, high speed crud and everything in between.
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SG’s rip slush
Which topsheet option are those @jackattack? They’re glorious.
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Garnet
Classy AF
Any updates on next pre-order window?
Explain? I missed that story...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruce Springskiin