Why all the Caroline Gleich hate?

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Originally Posted by Lone Star

brutah. spot on.

instagram IS optics. a little bit of self-awareness from the visible POW types certainly would be nice.

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You don’t think Sierra Q preaching about single use plastic while flying the world nonstop is good optics?

I get everything everyone is saying here. Trust me, these talks happen across all levels of this debate. Sure, it's important to cut back where you can and I personally have done my share...I just don't spout about it very often. My meat consumption these days is nearly zero. Everyone of my flights is offset and last year alone I cut my flight distances in half. The project I'm currently doing mainly involves driving and camping. People that care are trying to do stuff and most people are holding those that voice an opinion to a higher standard than those that don't. Say something then get on a snowmobile and you're a piece of shit hypocrite. Fly in helis all season, eat beef three meals a day and drink oil for breakfast but never say anything or be an activist...oh you're cool. Anyways, what I'm saying is, how the fuck are you gonna convince 6 billion people to voluntarily reduce their own carbon footprint for the common good? Last time I checked, the world's economy is revolved around self-interest and we're pretty bad at this common-good thingy.

So my point is that yeah, self-sacrifice is good, but until there are options for energy, transportation and consumption that are both economically advantageous for the individual and environmentally friendly, nothing is gonna happen...or it'll happen at a lot slower rate than probably necessary.

As some said here, pro-skiers may just be preaching to the choir and 4/5 Americans think climate change is something to do deal with, but currently, seems like our government and a lot of the world's governments aren't accurately representing their constituents beliefs. Hence, the reason to lobby and try to incite change at the top. To intensify the pace of investment in green technology across all sectors.

What I'm advocating for is, who gives a fuck what you, I or others do right now because my decision, or your decision, to drive a little less, go vegetarian, not have a kid, ain't gonna do fuck all in the grand scheme of things. It's spitting on a forest fire.

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Originally Posted by Alkasquawlik

Anyways, what I'm saying is, how the fuck are you gonna convince 6 billion people to voluntarily reduce their own carbon footprint for the common good? Last time I checked, the world's economy is revolved around self-interest and we're pretty bad at this common-good thingy.

So my point is that yeah, self-sacrifice is good, but until there are options for energy, transportation and consumption that are both economically advantageous for the individual and environmentally friendly, nothing is gonna happen...or it'll happen at a lot slower rate than probably necessary.

As some said here, pro-skiers may just be preaching to the choir and 4/5 Americans think climate change is something to do deal with, but currently, seems like our government and a lot of the world's governments aren't accurately representing their constituents beliefs. Hence, the reason to lobby and try to incite change at the top. To intensify the pace of investment in green technology across all sectors.

What I'm advocating for is, who gives a fuck what you, I or others do right now because my decision, or your decision, to drive a little less, go vegetarian, not have a kid, ain't gonna do fuck all in the grand scheme of things. It's spitting on a forest fire.

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good points, especialy the point about the grand scheme of things

Consider somewhere in India or Bangladesh some poor dude ( or millions of dudes? ) living in a cardboard box in an alley with his family of 6 picking over rags and garbage,

Remember watching bacteria replicate in HS biology class? 6 billion people now just think of the world as one big petri dish and i think the vast majority of them could give a fuck

I think people are convinced by money, ferinstance people are embracing electric cars cuz now it works and its cheaper, people will quit burning oil to get around when its cheaper to run electrics

IME a cheaper lifestyle usually pollutes less

Is there a thread for dick swinging about how little we fly because I think I might be in contention.

The goverment can do alot!
But wont be in favor of the people who vote for them! So if you are in power will you shoot your own leg?

There are alot of good ideas....
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Diving into this thread at my own peril. I've posted my thoughts on athletes/activists who's advertised causes seem to lack honesty in a different CG thread (FFS guys, two CG threads, really?). Now that this has turned into a climate thread I'll say this:

There are people on the same side of this issue arguing the merits and values of different actions. In some instances, the voices that condemn any individual action as "not good enough" meet or exceed the voices of those who are putting forth an honest effort to affect change. I have no problem with the folks that are honestly TRYING to make a difference, regardless of the impact. I do have a problem with the crowd that spends their energy and efforts pointing out each and every possible flaw in the actions of others, while sitting on the sidelines waiting for the perfect strategy to appear so they can finally act.

On Athletes as activists:

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Originally Posted by XavierD

To argue that any pro skier has made a significant impact with regards to raising awareness is also bullshit. Sorry Cody, but neither CH not Jeremy Jones, not Chris Rubens is really concerting anyone.

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I agree that "awareness" campaigns are not a high value proposition. That said, many athletes are doing more than touting awareness, and are giving exposure to actionable ideas. At least in my case, athlete activists have affected my actions in multiple ways:

1. Listening to Greg Hill talk about reducing meat consumption to 2days/wk caused me to seriously consider changing my diet for the first time. Prior to this I'd convinced myself that I was a "serious" athlete and meals w/o meat were not meals. Now I'm pretty much on the GH program, sometimes more meat/week, sometimes less. I also I think that GH proving that an EV can be a viable option for an outdoor enthusiast will convert some naysayers.

2. Reading Yvon Chouinard's book introduced me to the idea of more sustainable farming practices and the idea of soil as a carbon sink as a means to affect climate change. Agriculture Tech was not an industry I'd previously considered working in - it is now.

3. Dakota Jones (runner) is the real deal, and among other inspiring pursuits has recently chosen to earn an engineering degree later in life with the goal of working to develop technologies that benefit the climate. I already have the degree, have worked in "greentech" my entire career, but DJ's decision to invest in an entirely new career path in an attempt to affect change has, in part, motivated me to double down on my existing path with a sharpened sense of commitment.

Point being, I can only speak for myself, but I think high profile individuals that highlight climate actions can have an impact, and while the scope of that impact is debatable I have no problem with the intent as long as it's honest. No, none of these people "converted" me from climate denier to climate change babbler, but their actions have influenced mine no doubt.

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Originally Posted by North

Diving into this thread at my own peril. I've posted my thoughts on athletes/activists who's advertised causes seem to lack honesty in a different CG thread (FFS guys, two CG threads, really?). Now that this has turned into a climate thread I'll say this:

There are people on the same side of this issue arguing the merits and values of different actions. In some instances, the voices that condemn any individual action as "not good enough" meet or exceed the voices of those who are putting forth an honest effort to affect change. I have no problem with the folks that are honestly TRYING to make a difference, regardless of the impact. I do have a problem with the crowd that spends their energy and efforts pointing out each and every possible flaw in the actions of others, while sitting on the sidelines waiting for the perfect strategy to appear so they can finally act.

On Athletes as activists:


I agree that "awareness" campaigns are not a high value proposition. That said, many athletes are doing more than touting awareness, and are giving exposure to actionable ideas. At least in my case, athlete activists have affected my actions in multiple ways:

1. Listening to Greg Hill talk about reducing meat consumption to 2days/wk caused me to seriously consider changing my diet for the first time. Prior to this I'd convinced myself that I was a "serious" athlete and meals w/o meat were not meals. Now I'm pretty much on the GH program, sometimes more meat/week, sometimes less. I also I think that GH proving that an EV can be a viable option for an outdoor enthusiast will convert some naysayers.

2. Reading Yvon Chouinard's book introduced me to the idea of more sustainable farming practices and the idea of soil as a carbon sink as a means to affect climate change. Agriculture Tech was not an industry I'd previously considered working in - it is now.

3. Dakota Jones (runner) is the real deal, and among other inspiring pursuits has recently chosen to earn an engineering degree later in life with the goal of working to develop technologies that benefit the climate. I already have the degree, have worked in "greentech" my entire career, but DJ's decision to invest in an entirely new career path in an attempt to affect change has, in part, motivated me to double down on my existing path with a sharpened sense of commitment.

Point being, I can only speak for myself, but I think high profile individuals that highlight climate actions can have an impact, and while the scope of that impact is debatable I have no problem with the intent as long as it's honest. No, none of these people "converted" me from climate denier to climate change babbler, but their actions have influenced mine no doubt.

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Strong post.

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We’re not pro skiers so we should fuck off.

Any criticism of CG’s et als’ actions versus stance is just hate.

It’s all hopeless so let’s just fly helis til the game is over.


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whoah.......so many good thoughts have emerged in what used to be an absolute shitstain of a thread until codys post. bravo++++
the economic powers that be have seen fit to sustain their way regardless of any tech advances that could better our world. its not uncommon for world changing revolutionary patents to be bought by a large corp with interests in that field.......and filed away never to be seen again. until that aspect of our capitalist society comes to terms with the importance of change impacting profit........ we are fucked. a massive economic crash more akin to the late 20's then 2003/4 is the only thing that can alter our course. until big money doesnt control world policy i am unfortunately pessimistic

$75 Billion nightly injections of liquidity by the FED keep it going.

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Originally Posted by Alkasquawlik

I get everything everyone is saying here. Trust me, these talks happen across all levels of this debate. Sure, it's important to cut back where you can and I personally have done my share...I just don't spout about it very often. My meat consumption these days is nearly zero. Everyone of my flights is offset and last year alone I cut my flight distances in half. The project I'm currently doing mainly involves driving and camping. People that care are trying to do stuff and most people are holding those that voice an opinion to a higher standard than those that don't. Say something then get on a snowmobile and you're a piece of shit hypocrite. Fly in helis all season, eat beef three meals a day and drink oil for breakfast but never say anything or be an activist...oh you're cool. Anyways, what I'm saying is, how the fuck are you gonna convince 6 billion people to voluntarily reduce their own carbon footprint for the common good? Last time I checked, the world's economy is revolved around self-interest and we're pretty bad at this common-good thingy.

So my point is that yeah, self-sacrifice is good, but until there are options for energy, transportation and consumption that are both economically advantageous for the individual and environmentally friendly, nothing is gonna happen...or it'll happen at a lot slower rate than probably necessary.

As some said here, pro-skiers may just be preaching to the choir and 4/5 Americans think climate change is something to do deal with, but currently, seems like our government and a lot of the world's governments aren't accurately representing their constituents beliefs. Hence, the reason to lobby and try to incite change at the top. To intensify the pace of investment in green technology across all sectors.

What I'm advocating for is, who gives a fuck what you, I or others do right now because my decision, or your decision, to drive a little less, go vegetarian, not have a kid, ain't gonna do fuck all in the grand scheme of things. It's spitting on a forest fire.

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Respect for this post, solid perspective and the advocacy work and awareness is important. Even if I am on the side that believes the necessary change is going to be extremely hard to achieve, both in the western and developing world, step 1 is getting more people to understand the scope of the problem...

I started following her on Instagram. Maybe people hate her because of her voice. Oh, it’s annoying.

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Originally Posted by plugboots

I started following her on Instagram. Maybe people hate her because of her voice. Oh, it’s annoying.

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You may be onto something. Some people are just more hateable than others no matter what they stand for. People used to hate Mary Lou Retton. I can't stand that fucker Julian Edelman. Every time that little shit catches a touchdown I want to throw something at my TV. My dog, god rest his soul, loved everyone and their dogs but used to hate the German Shepard down the road. As far as I could tell, that GS never did anything to him to warrant the hate.

Her husband just finished his ride across America, after having done the English Channel and Everest in the past year as well. Absolutely amazing. They keep referring to the projects as raising awareness of gender equality. How exactly does that work?

I guess this giant thread constitutes awareness ... in some form.

Also, I’ll be waiting for athlete instagrams to start promoting solar powered electric snowcats, and then we can have our cake and eat it too.

https://electrek.co/2019/05/15/all-electric-snowcat/

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Originally Posted by The SnowShow

Her husband just finished his ride across America, after having done the English Channel and Everest in the past year as well. Absolutely amazing. They keep referring to the projects as raising awareness of gender equality. How exactly does that work?

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Careful, you will be labeled a hater for asking such a question.

However credit where it is due. Riding across the English Channel & Mt Everest is no mean feat.

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Originally Posted by Timberridge

You may be onto something. Some people are just more hateable than others no matter what they stand for. People used to hate Mary Lou Retton. I can't stand that fucker Julian Edelman. Every time that little shit catches a touchdown I want to throw something at my TV. My dog, god rest his soul, loved everyone and their dogs but used to hate the German Shepard down the road. As far as I could tell, that GS never did anything to him to warrant the hate.

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However credit where it is due. Riding across the English Channel & Mt Everest is no mean feat.

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With the new lightweight carbon fiber frames for the up and disc brakes for the down it's become less challenging. I remember when tires used to just blow of the rims coming down from Everest with the old V brakes.

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Originally Posted by ill-advised strategy

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That's exactly what I'm talking about. :)

Maybe Caroline is just hateable. Like Mary Lou Retton.

C'mon, Mary Lou's OK. But that Nadia Comaneci is a real bitch.

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Originally Posted by The SnowShow

Her husband just finished his ride across America, after having done the English Channel and Everest in the past year as well. Absolutely amazing. They keep referring to the projects as raising awareness of gender equality. How exactly does that work?

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Nothing raises awareness of gender equality like a woman traveling around in support of her husband’s accomplishments.

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Originally Posted by The SnowShow

Her husband just finished his ride across America, after having done the English Channel and Everest in the past year as well. Absolutely amazing. They keep referring to the projects as raising awareness of gender equality. How exactly does that work?

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Originally Posted by XavierD

Nothing raises awareness of gender equality like a woman traveling around in support of her husband’s accomplishments.

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well, now I'm fully aware that both genders in a [hetero] couple can be attention-seeking instagram whores

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Originally Posted by XavierD

Nothing raises awareness of gender equality like a woman traveling around in support of her husband’s accomplishments.

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Not a CG hater at all, but that was pretty damn funny.

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Originally Posted by Bromontane

The important thing is to fool the morons into rallying behind you. Once that happens it matters little if you have a point.

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trying to put my finger on a real world current example of this....

Pretty funny to see pro skiers all over social media posting about Aspen’s Giving A Flake or whatever the new POW campaign is, while they’re in their 5th city in Europe in the past week after doing movie promos in the States for weeks. I get it, it’s all about the job. But it’s the optics that look really bad.

Only if you look.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBC-9k3y1ew

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Originally Posted by The SnowShow

Pretty funny to see pro skiers all over social media posting about Aspen’s Giving A Flake or whatever the new POW campaign is, while they’re in their 5th city in Europe in the past week after doing movie promos in the States for weeks. I get it, it’s all about the job. But it’s the optics that look really bad.

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Gotta agree.

Highest carbon footprint folks around virtue signaling.



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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7oXFmuUHLQ

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Gotta agree.

Highest carbon footprint folks around virtue signaling.



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cool. so tell us what you done.

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Originally Posted by senior researcher

$75 Billion nightly injections of liquidity by the FED keep it going.

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yeouch, ouch. ha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuCn8ux2gbs&t=150s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=365&v=kxEjXuZ2Mpo

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Originally Posted by The SnowShow

Pretty funny to see pro skiers all over social media posting about Aspen’s Giving A Flake or whatever the new POW campaign is, while they’re in their 5th city in Europe in the past week after doing movie promos in the States for weeks. I get it, it’s all about the job. But it’s the optics that look really bad.

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If only they didn’t take those trips the problem would all be solved! We’re never going to restrict our useage of energy to get out of this problem. Humanity will use more and more energy going forward; we have to come up with new ways to create energy.

I’ve been avoiding this thread for a while since I figured it was a toxic waste dump of fake outrage and indignity that had been partially digested and blown out as bloody diarrhea. I think I was right.

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Originally Posted by byates1

cool. so tell us what you done.

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Not fly around the world pretending I give a shit about climate change. Does that count?

Aaaand... I stopped following her on IG.
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I'm sure she's crushed

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Originally Posted by Danno

I'm sure she's crushed

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Why's she on social media if not to increase followers?

This entire thread needs a metric shitton of carbon offsets.

No Fucks Given.