K thanks again ,glad I asked. I’m going to have to track down some 110’s I guess. Crazy they change it between models let alone company to company. Apparently 1 doesn’t equal 1 .........sometimesQuote:
Originally Posted by 1000-oaks
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K thanks again ,glad I asked. I’m going to have to track down some 110’s I guess. Crazy they change it between models let alone company to company. Apparently 1 doesn’t equal 1 .........sometimesQuote:
Originally Posted by 1000-oaks
^ I have 116mm skis and tectons with 120 brakes being delivered today. I'll take a look and see if the overhang will truly be that big of a deal or not. Seems goofy.
Awesome. Thanks J. Be cool to see a pic. I’ll hold off in the meantimeQuote:
Originally Posted by TahoeJ
Grinch where do you order brakes? I've got a spare set of Tectons without brakes and am too much of a gaper to ski brakeless
I was going back and forth between “snowinn ” and “mec”. Snowinn has a “post shipping” option so leaning that way($150cheaper than mec and with post can possibly skip duty). Mec has 120 brake and snowinn has 110 available. I think I want brakes with these, not sure though . Do I? All my d fits are without brakesQuote:
Originally Posted by LeeLau
What size do you need? I have some that fit a 110 ski.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeeLau
They don't retract that far "in" like an alpine brake so you don't really want to run like a 120 on a 95 waisted ski on hardpack.Quote:
Originally Posted by TahoeJ
What size are you looking for? I've got a brand new pair off my 100's I'm not going to use.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeeLau
I could definitely use those and pass on my 110’s, if interested.Quote:
Originally Posted by ffmedic84
Grinch - sorry for confusion. I would probably keep my spare Tectons. ffmedic and jackattack i could use either 110 or 100mm brakes. I have no idea how much brakes cost so am open to hearing
No worries. That helpedQuote:
Originally Posted by LeeLau
FYI if anyone wants some 120 brakes I have some.
Okay... the 120 brakes on some 115mm skis are goofy big. Looks like I need to get some 110 brakes for sure. Not that I didn’t believe you guys I had just already ordered them.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...c55ecc381.heic
I'd install them and observe how they retract and deploy to confirm whether they're too big or not.
1000-oak's observations would point toward them being too big, but after all of the mislabeled brakes on the Vipecs, I've become a trust but verify sort of guy ;-)
... Thom
Someone buy fritchi a tape measure. That does look yuuuge. Maybe they measure at that first bend . That looks about 5 extra mm’s. Maybe you can tweak them a bit bit or like Thom says, they might be fine the way they are with the roll out. Almost looks like 2-3 mm per side in at the ends and it’d be good
You can't judge how wide the brakes are/function by just holding them onto the ski like that. They need to be mounted to the binding and the ski to get a good idea of how they work when they deploy.
I had the 110 brakes on a 110 ski and in all actuality I think they'd barely clearly a 114 ski
Gotta mount them to check, the arms get pinched in quite a bit, especially at half-deployment.
Well shit this is confusing. Can someone with mounted skis in the 112 - 117 range chime in specifically?
Read my post from 9:56 last night.
Can confirm, I've got 110's on ZeroG 108's and they are just right. But I thought the exact same thing before I mounted them up.
So glad they finally got this shit sorted. Was confused when my 2nd gen Vipec 120 brakes barely cleared 115.Quote:
Originally Posted by TahoeJ
Okay, sounds like I misunderstood then and the 120 should likely end up being fine once bent and pinched into place. Thanks for the feedback. Stoked to try these, I can already tell the toe is going to be a hell of a lot easier to step into than kingpins.
Yeah, they retract inward on deployment. Without actually mounting the bindings and putting in your boot, you're going to have trouble showing clearance. *Might* be able to show with two hands and somebody else taking the photo.
Fritschi Evo and Tecton review
https://www.newschoolers.com/news/re...ouring-Binding
Thorough and well written review Lee! I am glad that hopefully more people get on the vipec/tecton bandwagon instead of radicals :)
News to me that the TLT6 will not work with the Tecton. Is there more information on this somewhere? I've been using my green TLT6s with the Tecton and have been doing ok. Every once in a while when switching into ski mode and trying to lock the heel down, the binding will over rotate and go into the vertical position. Can usually start the process over and get sufficient purchase after another try and have had no prelease issues. Am I just getting away with it and leaving myself vulnerable to double ejecting on hardpack when the time comes to stop skiing pow?Quote:
Originally Posted by LeeLau
Edit: Would think the "boot compatibility information" PDF from Fritschi on the BD site would say something about TLT6 issues. They have feedback on the TLT7, and the statement "almost all boots are compatible with both Fritschi bindings" leads me to believe if there were a problem with the 6, it would've been indicated in that write up..
Also, just seeing a customer service tech on Evo.com in the Q/A for Tecton answers YEP! to the question "Does this binding work with the TLT6?"
http://www.blackdiamondequipment.com...ts_2017-18.pdf
I may have been misunformed. I was told that lack of substantive heel ledge impaired the heel function. I'll check with Fritschi again on thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Solesides
Nice review, Lee.
Personally, do you think all the other benefits of the binding (over others available at the moment) outweigh the knee fall issue? Assuming similar use scenario and excluding next year's Salomon Shift. (I know this is subjective.)
I assume the answer is yes.
TLT5 works with my Tectons for meadowskipping... but I did buy some of those kingpin things that I was gonna throw on
I need new boots...
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by LightRanger
And I wish Fritschi had explained the toe punch potential hazard better as opposed to letting me and consumers find that out themselves.
But I thought it was fair to let them explain the safety benefits. Once they did I accept that there is a very real safety benefit and accept the trade-off
Gotcha. That makes sense.
Great review. Can't wait to get my new boots so I can get these mounted.
Interesting. I emailed customer service at BD asking specifically if the TLT5 was compatible and said they weren't sure and referred me to Fritschi, whom I haven't heard from.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solesides
Got a link? These are the brackets that get drilled into the heel to extend the ledge?Quote:
Originally Posted by Summit
yes I bought them from REI online a couple months ago... only place I could find themQuote:
Originally Posted by Solesides
I kinda wish I could just buy the heels and run some 2nd gen or 3rd gen vipec toes that still released in a knee to ski fall.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeeLau
Kingpin din adaptor: https://www.rei.com/product/885817/m...-adaptor-piece
I've got a couple of pairs of the two hole version left in stock:
https://www.thepisteoffice.com/index...er-detail.html
Yah what spyderjon said. EVO, MEC are out of it. Basically it extends the heel ledge
130mm slightly bent fit Lotus 138s
Thanks for the info on the kingpin adapters. May give that a look..
Question for people about your experience with play/slop in the toe piece while touring with the toes locked out: I understand there is a considerable amount of mobility/play in the toe built into the design, but one of the my toes feels considerably sloppier than the other. While touring uphill on an off-angle skintrack, this often results in a lot of lateral play in the heel on every stride, like a constant outward rotational twisting with every step. Compared to the rigidity of an Ion or Radical, that constant slipping of the heel seems to be aggravating the knees more than is typical. Think this is just something that must be accepted with the Tecton design?
Heard back from Fritschi and official word is as I stated in article ie boots must have substantial heel ledge to work on Tecton. TLT6 and Proclines (the examples I used) aren't recommended with Tecton.
Pic of TLT6 and Vulcan with Beast fitting in Tecton. Atomic Backland fitting somewhat looks like Beast fitting so this is FYIhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...76ccd3fdcd.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...9eb91239ba.jpg