If the timing was just right, I could see someone getting head on with a bus in the oncoming lane. We are dealing with humans after all .
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If the timing was just right, I could see someone getting head on with a bus in the oncoming lane. We are dealing with humans after all .
A competent attorney would be asking questions about the bike already plastered to the front of the bus. I mean, what happened to that rider, and how many blocks back was that poor soul run down?
Originally Posted by Summit
He would have plowed into a stopped delivery vehicle too.
I was just being a stickler on your comment that implied you know that he would have plowed in to a stopped delivery vehicle. If you do know this for a fact I would like to invite you as my guest to the horse track :)
The bus was nearly stopped when the bike hit him.
What about the cyclist that already had his bike plastered to the front of the bus? Do we know what happened to them? Is this some rogue bus driver, hell bent on murdering cyclists? Was there a monkey on the bus distracting the driver?Quote:
Originally Posted by mtngirl79
Gross tonnage rule. Works on waterways. Works on roadways.Quote:
Originally Posted by Timberridge
Yes, everything I do is for recreation. What of it? BTW--when I'm driving down by the lake where there is a bike lane with a lot of pedestrians walking the wrong way and sometimes cars parked in the bike lane I often see a bike come up on the walkers or parked car. I slow down to give the biker room to pull into the traffic lane and wait for him to turn back into the bike lane before I pass. I have no problem doing that (not so for the asshole tailgating me but fuck him)--I don't get angry, I don't honk. But the climb up to Donner Summit is a different and somewhat extreme situation--2-5 MPH for 3 miles seems unreasonable to me and there really isn't a truly safe place to pass. Fortunately most folks on that road are driving slow enough and the number of cars is few enough that so far I've gotten away with passing blind, as carefully as i can. If someone has a better idea I'd like to hear it. As i said before the best solution would be parabolic mirrors on the blind curves so you can pass without worrying about oncoming traffic, but I don't see that happening any time soon. (I also expect that a lot of the newby bike riders will get scared of the ride and go someplace else.)Quote:
Originally Posted by acinpdx
you could class action status for the bike rack mass murderersQuote:
Originally Posted by BmillsSkier
If that happens, I'm going to start a mirror manufacturing company. New PO's guaranteed every spring.Quote:
Originally Posted by old goat
Right on. I believe Sir Isaac Newton laid claim to this first with his equation, F=ma. I have personally tested it and in each experiment it held. When I am biking, I feel no compelling reason to retest it.Quote:
Originally Posted by goldengatestinx
You were making comments about "bike-entitlement" in reference to the purported selfishness of riding a particular road because it slows you down as a driver.Quote:
Originally Posted by old goat
And yet your reason to use the road was for recreation too.
Of course, everyone has a right to be annoyed by inconveniences. But to expect that others should stop doing something they have a right to do because it's inconvenient for you is absurd.
As I said earlier up thread, WHY people use the roads is of zero importance. Recreation is a perfectly good reason to be on the road, as you, no doubt, agree.
For clarity, I'm not saying you're an asshole, not at all...just pointing out a double standard.
Nor am I saying cyclists can do whatever the fuck they want; they are bound to the rules of the road.
Where I went to school, we had bollards that retracted into the ground when a bus approached. Solved the problem unless you were on a bike following too closely behind a bus.Quote:
Originally Posted by Summit
Also, Washington is a comparative fault state, and breaking a rule of the road (blowing the stop sign) is going to put the cyclist's responsibility well north of 50%. Add in the other not-so-reasonable actions and a "good lawyer" is going to pass this case on to a not-so-good lawyer who only cares about his 33 percent.
I have never in any of my posts claimed that the purpose of a trip--commute, recreation, commerce, etc--has any bearing on who has the right of way or priority. You are clearly confusing me with someone else or just lumping me in with all drivers and hating on all of us. I agree with you--WHY (why caps?) someone is using the road doesn't matter. And as far as the Donner Summit climb, I have never said a cyclist doesn't have a right to go up the road, no matter how big a gaper they are, only that the nature of the road makes for a potentially dangerous situation as the cyclists get more numerous and slower.Quote:
Originally Posted by acinpdx
Look--some common sense is required. Biking in the middle of a lane when it is unsafe to pass makes sense when the distance is short and the delay for cars is reasonable. It doesn't make sense when the distance is long, the bike is particularly slow, and the delay is unreasonable. If cyclists can't figure that out they will find themselves banned from some roads, something I hope doesn't happen.
Around here the scenario I usually see is one cyclist in the bike lane and the other(s) in the road--so the cyclists can chat, not for any safety reason.
You know, we've never clarified our entitle cyclist stereotypes in this thread, so allow me--a) millenial, hipster, fixie riding, entitled asshole (see original post) * b) older, spandex clad, tour d france wannabe, $5K+ riding entitled asshole (and if you think these guys are only assholes towards car drivers try riding the American River Bike Trail after work), and c) the other 90 %.
*speaking of the original post--thing that annoys me: newspapers and tv news insisting on using "alleged" when something has clearly been done. I understand using it regarding the accused if they have not been proven to be the guilty party but the crime itself took place. Guy with 3 bullet holes in his back "allegedly" shot.
I have to assume that, when you use the word "entitled," you mean to use the word with the pejorative implications that it currently carries in modern society. If you were using it in its most neutral and legal dictionary meaning, then I apologize for my poor comprehension of your earlier post.Quote:
Originally Posted by old goat
^^ SUNRISE!! Used to run and ride up there (Laguna Mtns.) regularly back in the day. Very few cyclists before, say, 2000. Now there's a shitload of 'em- some really solid cyclists, but a bunch of gapers, too.
Homesick.
Any fixies?
So that actually raises a question - clearly the motorcyclists could have gone far faster than any road biker ever could, but they have to obey traffic laws. Can a bicyclist get pulled over for speeding?Quote:
Originally Posted by FLS
Absolutely
With respect to that video, while there is some (limited, really) Highway Patrol activity along Sunrise Hwy., and CHP has the authority to enforce traffic code anywhere within the State, it's the Forest Service that performs most of the "dirty work" along that road. But I've never seen, nor heard, of FS rangers enforcing posted speed limits anywhere in Kalifornia. ANYWHERE. Regardless of vehicle. The fuckers issue plenty of parking tickets, though (ask me how I know), so I'm guessing that that activity must provide a fairly decent revenue stream.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tippster
So, the simple answer is yes, but don't bank on it.
The section of Sunrise in that posted video is mostly descent (not terribly steep, but steep enough), and fairly twisty, too.
The road down from Sunrise (Rainier) is a rather extreme example. Great place to research gravity.Quote:
Originally Posted by buttahflake
Don't recall seeing any dreadlocks, so I'm guessing no.Quote:
Originally Posted by BmillsSkier
Re Donner Pass Road - some cyclists self-select from riding it already. I've always thought it could be a cool ride, but have avoided it exactly because of the narrow points on the road and the numerous cars. Maybe mid-week it's better? I choose to bring my MTB to Tahoe instead.
The motorcycles were the race officials or whatever they're called. Get some pro grand prix dude dragging his knee and a roadie would be left in the dust.Quote:
Originally Posted by buttahflake
700 roadies in town for a 4 day stage race this weekend . Good times
That's like a slow day for my town.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vt-Freeheel
It's actually pretty cool to watch these big groups cruise by... and I actually got a couple of thank you's while I waited for all of them to go through the intersection.
I had to pass a car yesterday coming down from Mt. Evans. I was averaging about 60-65 kmh (37-41mph) and I had to keep dragging the brakes because of the car in front of me. The were having a good laugh that I was keeping up/on their bumper, so on one on the straights I just got out in the other lane, let off the brakes and easily went past. I got a friendly wave and big smile form them. I think my top speed on that decent was 71kmh.
Guess Columbus, Ohio doesn't get it. :rolleyes2
http://www.columbusunderground.com/s...d-columbus-bw1
Huh? They are trying to make it safer for the bikers, and you don't like that?Quote:
Originally Posted by huckbucket
sarcasm
I was watching the Tour of California last year in downtown Sacramento--4 laps through the grid. They were going way over the speed limit and blowing stop signs, tons of cops around, but nobody got a ticket. What gives? (And seriously, the cops in cars were having a tough time keeping up on the 90 degree turns).
This is what I'm most scared of when riding.
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/ca...and-killed/amp
You live close enough to make it 701?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vt-Freeheel
If it's still around next year, I think I'm going to give it a go.
The right hook is so scary. I spent a last summer living in Toronto and riding a bike to work in the urban environment. I had a blister/callus on my "bell thumb" by the end of the summer. I was THAT GUY, fucking ringing my bell at everyone who was ready to open a car door, pull out in front of me, step of the curb into the bike lane, or pass me right before the intersection and then want to make a right turn.Quote:
Originally Posted by ml242
I used to mountain bike with the race promoter in the 90s. Gave up Road riding a long time ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by TomCrac
give it a whirl it's pretty cool race I might end up in Burlington to watch the crit on Monday
Every year I think about doing that race and always convince myself I don't have the fitness. Kinda like Catskills.Quote:
Originally Posted by TomCrac
It's a shame what happened to the Tour of the Catskills. It used to be a great event. It shouldn't be called the ToC any more now that it's been reduced to a 1 day Gran Fondo event. The GMSR would make a great goal for the event its self as well as all the benefits of being fit for the ski season.
On the bright side, we've got just about 1 year to train for GMSR 2017!
there was another one just like it in the Sac Bee today.Quote:
Originally Posted by ml242
My kid did a SF to DC bike trip with their frat. They rode I70 through the mtns in CO. Some years ago a kid was killed at a ramp by an exiting truck, so now all the kids exit and reenter at each ramp. My son did it on Sunday, July 5 and they were passing the cars.