Who is cutting wood?

Perspective: my wife just lit the campfire - it's 72 outside....

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Originally Posted by glademaster

. I personally would not burn in splitinbends stove for a number of reasons, pollution being one of them.

I run an Englander 30-NC woodstove to heat my home, which is rated as the cleanest burning 3+ cubic foot secondary burn woodstove on the market. I get smoke out of my chimney for about 10-20 minutes on start up and reloads, then nothing but a heat signature until the very end of the burn when I'm down to coals, then I may get a little wispy smoke again. I am a huge advocate for being a responsible (i.e. with minimal environmental impact) wood burner. I burn dry, properly seasoned wood, run a new, clean burning.

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I can appreciate where your coming from wholeheartedly. However as a renter, this is the only heat source for the house and it's necessary I use it while were here. I love the spot but the rats during the summer pretty much solidified us(wife) not staying another year. Regarding safety, the landlords live next door on 10acres and lived in our place for years and never had an issue. I will make a concerted effort to learn the rules though. I've always felt a little strange thinking about living in a wooden tinder box and burning a fire in it all night. The owners are cool so I'll ask them about it. Would prefer to not burn this place down.

http://woodswomanextraordinaire.blog...m-heating.html

Pretty funny article written by a fire loving female

Anybody get their wood stolen ever?

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthre...572&page=5

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Originally Posted by splitinbend

Anybody get their wood stolen ever?

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthre...572&page=5

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A friend had 2 cords stolen from his place last fall. He was in the process of moving out of the place to a town about 6 hours away and hadn't been around for about two weeks. Somebody came in with a trailer, moved a crib style timber fence to the side to access the wood, loaded the trailer, and bailed. Their place was on a single- lane dead end street. Totally an inside job, though neighbors claimed to not recognize the trailer; thought it was legit and friend had sold the wood to the guys with the trailer.

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Originally Posted by splitinbend

Attachment 159399Attachment 159400Attachment 159401All you cutting mags I could use a bit of direction. I'll be burning this winter for my first time and the whole experience is pretty foreign. My wife and I moved into a log house in Bend April 1 and bought a cord of juniper for $225 for the last few cold weeks of winter/spring. Last week I bought a stihl ms271, and a fiskar x27. I split some rounds today I acquired as a gift, and I think it's lodge pole. My mentality was bigger pieces but am learning that bigger may not be better. I have 4 cord tags. A buddy of mine is taking me out to show me the ropes this Saturday but after reading through this thread I've got a few questions. I honestly don't know anything about efficient burning. Not sure how to split up my wood. Common sense would say get the fire hot then throw big pieces on to burn slower and keep the heat going all night. My unit is ancient, and the place were in is big. I honestly don't know how to use it. Keep the doors closed and open the vents? It is well insulated but I won't be getting up to feed the fire during the night if possible. Anybody got an idea with the wood in Central Oregon what kind of numbers I'd need to be set for the winter? My wife likes the house warm and I'd like to conserve wood as much as possible, especially since it's going to be a bit wet from this week. Any suggestions appreciated. I'm looking forward to the adventure and def thought splitting rounds was quite therapeutic but shit it's a ton of work. I've watched some youtube videos on cutting and splitting but some burning 101 would be cool from the frontline. Cheers.

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I'm under the impression that cutting firewood around Bend is a complete shitshow due to the population density. (IE- not much wood, when a new unit gets opened up it gets cut out quickly.) I may be mistaken as I never had a wood stove when I was there.

You can usually burn dead standing lodgepole the season you cut it, but frankly at this point you probably would be better off buying a few cords from a reputable firewood seller (IE- not some guy who just went out and cut down a tree and is selling it as "seasoned"). There is a company out by Sisters that has stacks and stacks of seasoned wood. The health effects on yourself and neighbors of a poorly running stove are no joke.

Cut next years supply now. If you have a big truck and trailer, head east to the Ochoco and find some western larch. Lodgepole burns hot and fast, western larch for maintaining a burn.

Id have to think the exact opposite in regards to wood abundance in Bend with all beetle kill surrounding it.

Just what I've heard. It isn't all available as you have to cut in designated units.

huh. well if any of you guys in central oregon need some or knows someone who needs wood we have several beetle killed lodge pole pines on the ground at our Hoodoo cabin. It would be doing us a favor to get it out of there. Real easy to get to just back up right up to it. I was going to go round them some of them up this weekend but got busy.

Anyone have recs for a good Denver area firewood seller? Would like to buy about half a cord and pick up myself. Definitely prefer to burn hardwood and will pay some extra to do it. But I want good seasoned wood and not this year's stuff.

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Originally Posted by Cruiser

Anyone have recs for a good Denver area firewood seller? Would like to buy about half a cord and pick up myself. Definitely prefer to burn hardwood and will pay some extra to do it. But I want good seasoned wood and not this year's stuff.

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Santa Fe Sand.

^^^ Really? They're like 5 minutes from me. Would be super easy to go over there.

Tahoe wood stove replacement


http://yubanet.com/regional/Wood-Sto...p#.VExGCdm9Kc0

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Originally Posted by Cruiser

^^^ Really? They're like 5 minutes from me. Would be super easy to go over there.

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Yep. I bought a cord of oak from them about 3 weeks ago. Have already stacked it and it's all good stuff. They sell by weight. 2.2 tons was about $800.

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Originally Posted by steepconcrete

huh. well if any of you guys in central oregon need some or knows someone who needs wood we have several beetle killed lodge pole pines on the ground at our Hoodoo cabin. It would be doing us a favor to get it out of there. Real easy to get to just back up right up to it. I was going to go round them some of them up this weekend but got busy.

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I would gladly take your wood.

Yeah that's ridiculous. I'll pay $200-250 if I have to, but $800? Wow. At that point I'd just get a pellet stove. Some people have more money than brains I guess.

Wow, I didn't realize it was that high over at Santa Fe S&G. Will just go back to curmudgeon that I've been buying from for the last couple of years. He usually has a good selection of mixed hardwoods that the local tree trimmers bring to him. I can fill the excursion for a bit more than a hundred bucks.

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Originally Posted by telemike

Yeah that's ridiculous. I'll pay $200-250 if I have to, but $800? Wow. At that point I'd just get a pellet stove. Some people have more money than brains I guess.

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It certainly is ridiculous, and it's the same all over around here. But it's not more than running a pellet stove or burning propane. Speaking of more money than brains... Add much?

Ok. I'm just lucky to live in the land or reasonably cheap and plentiful wood I guess. Seems like folks I know using pellets do ok too.

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Originally Posted by Cruiser

Wow, I didn't realize it was that high over at Santa Fe S&G. Will just go back to curmudgeon that I've been buying from for the last couple of years. He usually has a good selection of mixed hardwoods that the local tree trimmers bring to him. I can fill the excursion for a bit more than a hundred bucks.

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I tried the "mixed hardwood" crap one year, and the railroad tie ends another... Neither were sufficiently cheaper enough to justify either the mixed bullshit wood, or the hassle of the rrt's... This stuff is all big pieces and it's nice to be able to put a couple in the stove and wake up to a warm house. I'd bet the back of your excursion holds about 1/4 cord. For $800, I got two 4x4x4 pallets and everything I could fit in between them and the stake bed. Stacked, it's 14x8x1.5=1.3 cords

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Originally Posted by telemike

Ok. I'm just lucky to live in the land or reasonably cheap and plentiful wood I guess. Seems like folks I know using pellets do ok too.

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Pellets take electricity. At night. Wind turbines are noisy, and high maintenance. I'll stick with my Ralph Lauren brand firewood.

I think we paid 800$ a cord for wood into the Hankin lookout, I think actualy the wood was free but the chopper was 800$ a cord

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Originally Posted by stfu&gbtw

Pellets take electricity. At night.

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so stop posting on tgr and use the juice to power the pellet stove. Win win.

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Originally Posted by Hugh Conway

so stop posting on tgr and use the juice to power the pellet stove. Win win.

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Oddly enough, nobody makes an adapter that allows me to power a pellet stove with my mobile phone... Strange, I know...

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Originally Posted by stfu&gbtw

It certainly is ridiculous, and it's the same all over around here. But it's not more than running a pellet stove or burning propane. Speaking of more money than brains... Add much?

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No, pellets are not an equivalent to $800/cord. Seasoned oak is around 1 1/2 tons to 2 tons per cord. Pellets run $200-$250/ton.

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Originally Posted by grrrr

No, pellets are not an equivalent to $800/cord. Seasoned oak is around 1 1/2 tons to 2 tons per cord. Pellets run $200-$250/ton.

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Have you been diagnosed with some sort of profound intellectual deficiency?

how much does propane cost in the land of stfu&gbtw?

I manage to keep my cost to under $125/cord average. I will be burning about 1/4 lodgepole and 3/4 apple and sweet cherry next year.

STFU, I'll sell you a cord of apple for $1000. It burns slightly hotter than oak, and smells better.

I forget what we paid for propane this year... $2.30/gallon or so.

My average is about $70/cord, considering I collect the 10 cords of pine/spruce/whatever that I burn in addition to the oak.

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Originally Posted by bodywhomper

how much does propane cost in the land of stfu&gbtw?

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he blew his wad bombproofing his mansion, no reserve for reserve power systems for a pellet stove.

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Originally Posted by stfu&gbtw

I forget what we paid for propane this year... $2.30/gallon or so.

My average is about $70/cord, considering I collect the 10 cords of pine/spruce/whatever that I burn in addition to the oak.

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Is it REALLY? Including fuel for saws and a splitter, new chains, wear and tear on equipment, permits, your time, etc? If so, that's impressive, and nicely done. I have a neighbor who cuts all his own wood from NFS land, and his cost/cord is between $130 and $150 when you actually take everything into consideration, and that is if he isn't calculating the value of his time.

I've found the best economy comes from getting rounds delivered and doing your own splitting. Unsplit wood is worth a hell of a lot less than split firewood.

There is free wood all over the place up here if you wana go out and gather it but the thrifty people with enough room to order a 7 axle logging truck dumped in the driveway for 1200$ will get 17-20 cords which they just slice it off like a loaf of bread

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Originally Posted by XXX-er

There is free wood all over the place up here if you wana go out and gather it but the thrifty people with enough room to order a 7 axle logging truck dumped in the driveway for 1200$ will get 17-20 cords which they just slice it off like a loaf of bread

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Those logging trucks are at most 12-13 cords, usually you end up with 9-11 full cords out of one. Still a great way to do it, but your cost still comes in right around $100-120 a cord. I think it is difficult to get it much below that unless you have a large woodlot adjacent to your property, or own/operate a tree service.

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Originally Posted by glademaster

Is it REALLY? Including fuel for saws and a splitter, new chains, wear and tear on equipment, permits, your time, etc? If so, that's impressive, and nicely done. I have a neighbor who cuts all his own wood from NFS land, and his cost/cord is between $130 and $150 when you actually take everything into consideration, and that is if he isn't calculating the value of his time.

I've found the best economy comes from getting rounds delivered and doing your own splitting. Unsplit wood is worth a hell of a lot less than split firewood.

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Does your heating bill include your furnace maintenance?

There's a couple of thousand dollars worth of equipment... Averaged out over 20 years, it's about $10/year. Probably spend $50/year on repairs. Maybe $50/year in fuel. I buy a single permit that never gets collected. Split the $20 with a neighbor. One new chain each season for ~$40. I don't calculate for time, because I chose to do it this way. It was part of the decision of moving here. Even if I spend another $200/year, it brings me up to about $100/cord. Then there's stove maintenance, and the all important footwear purchases... But all in all, the ancillary costs are minimal. That being said, if I didn't love doing it, I'd just put up the money for something else. But I didn't move up here to listen to a wind turbine, and I can't see making electricity a requirement for heat.

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Originally Posted by stfu&gbtw

Does your heating bill include your furnace maintenance?

There's a couple of thousand dollars worth of equipment... Averaged out over 20 years, it's about $10/year. Probably spend $50/year on repairs. Maybe $50/year in fuel. I buy a single permit that never gets collected. Split the $20 with a neighbor. I don't calculate for time, because I chose to do it this way. It was part of the decision of moving here. Even if I spend another $200/year, it brings me up to about $100/cord. Then there's stove maintenance, and the all important footwear purchases... But all in all, the ancillary costs are minimal. That being said, if I didn't love doing it, I'd just put up the money for something else. But I didn't move up here to listen to a wind turbine, and I can't see making electricity a requirement for heat.

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For sure, I'm not so much calling bullshit as I am impressed. My neighbor bitches and moans about the work considering it still ends up costing him more than me.

I heat 100% with wood, so no furnace maintenance. I do have a small propane wall heater that gets used when I'm traveling during the winter, but that's only 2 or 3 years old, and I'm a renter, so no maintenance costs there. However, I would absolutely factor furnace upkeep into my total yearly heating costs when figuring that number out. Just like I include the costs of stove maintenance in my wood heating costs.

I enjoy the work as well and hope I can heat primarily with wood for many years to come. I do see myself taking steps to reduce consumption as much as possible in the future though. Processing and handling 6+ cords a year probably isn't going to sound nearly as enjoyable in 30 years.

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Originally Posted by stfu&gbtw

Have you been diagnosed with some sort of profound intellectual deficiency?

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I'm just suffering from STFUtalkingouthisassagain. But aren't we all?

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Originally Posted by glademaster

Those logging trucks are at most 12-13 cords, usually you end up with 9-11 full cords out of one. Still a great way to do it, but your cost still comes in right around $100-120 a cord. I think it is difficult to get it much below that unless you have a large woodlot adjacent to your property, or own/operate a tree service.

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The old long log 5-axle trailers carried about 35cubic metres, or approx 12 cords. Since the pine beetle salvage really ramped up, 7, 8 and even 9 and 10 axle b-trains are the norm and they carry the loads XXX-er is describing. Only issue is that with the industry switching over to small diameter pine salvage, it can be hard to find 'firewood' grade logs that go for the old $.25/m3 stumpage (royalty) rates in the central and northern interior of BC.

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Originally Posted by grrrr

I'm just suffering from STFUtalkingouthisassagain. But aren't we all?

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Pretty much.

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Originally Posted by BCMountainHound

The old long log 5-axle trailers carried about 35cubic metres, or approx 12 cords. Since the pine beetle salvage really ramped up, 7, 8 and even 9 and 10 axle b-trains are the norm and they carry the loads XXX-er is describing. Only issue is that with the industry switching over to small diameter pine salvage, it can be hard to find 'firewood' grade logs that go for the old $.25/m3 stumpage (royalty) rates in the central and northern interior of BC.

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I stand corrected. I'm pretty sure you could fit all of the trees in Utah on about 3 of those 10 axle trucks. I miss living somewhere with forests.

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Originally Posted by WOTITIZ

Started burning the ash last week. December brings the maple. January and beyond brings the red and white oak.

Such a nice time of year. A few logs in the am brings the house up to comfort, then the mid day south facing windows pick up when the stove winds down. House is good until the next morning.

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I enjoy the ease of the fall and spring heating, but the stove runs so much better when it's cold out and it's running 24/7. Between the better draft from the cold temps and the stove and chimney being heat-soaked, I like the "maintenance" style of deep winter burning.

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Originally Posted by BCMountainHound

The old long log 5-axle trailers carried about 35cubic metres, or approx 12 cords. Since the pine beetle salvage really ramped up, 7, 8 and even 9 and 10 axle b-trains are the norm and they carry the loads XXX-er is describing. Only issue is that with the industry switching over to small diameter pine salvage, it can be hard to find 'firewood' grade logs that go for the old $.25/m3 stumpage (royalty) rates in the central and northern interior of BC.

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so, this is XXXer chiming in with his middle of bumfuck BC schtick again for all 10 people here who that's relevant too? Between that and STFUs shit math....