+1 - I'm looking to mount a PX12 demo as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by geo039
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+1 - I'm looking to mount a PX12 demo as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by geo039
Is it possible Plum made slight changes to the base of the toe as well as the arm on the new bindings? Jondrums and I mounted my Plums (last year's model) with his template no problem.
Honestly, I think I probably could have mounted them even with the holes off. It is really not by much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sinecure
Here are some photos to help show the issue:Attachment 103812Attachment 103813
I found the same problem with the Dynafit paper template and my PLUM guides (ordered as part of the first group buy in ~September, they have the new toe lever). 1mm fore/aft in the toe and 0.5mm in the heel seems about right as well, though I also noticed it was a bit off side/side (maybe 0.5mm maybe less). Adjusting for this during centre-punching, they came out pretty much dead-on. FWIW, I also noticed my Griffon Schizos were off by a small amount (less so than the PLUMs) so my assumption was/is that it is my PDF reader's fault.
Wow!
I just took the plums off my skis (thanks Sollyfits) and carefully measured them and my FT12s.
The heel holes are as identical in spacing as I can measure with calipers.
The toe holes are spaced identically in width, however the Plums are 27mm front to back, and the Dynafits are 26.5mm front to back.
Now, why would they have done that - I wonder if its a mistake!
I've updated the Jester template to match Knut's recommendation, and created a Plum template.
Waiting for a verifications on a few templates. Please post here if you've successfully used any templates - thanks!
jondrums, don't know if you got my message. Some shiny new Speed Radicals are sitting in my living room. Shall I stop by tomorrow so you can fondle them?
My Dynafit Radical FTs arrived last week. I am a little hesitant to mount them myself.
1) If I use the templates in this thread, how do I do it? Print them out, then overlay toe and heel paper template so that the match the length of my boot?
2) If I follow what Lou Dawson has up on wildsnow.com, what am I supposed to do with the binding plate in the middle?
This all appears rather difficult!
Franz-
Its not that complicated. Take a look at post #77, get a 2x4 or another wood board, and mount your bindings to it. Once you're confident in the process do it on your skis. Good luck!
Thanks! Reason #358 why I love TGR.
Thanks for the updates Jon, now I don't need to draw lines on the jester template when I mount my demos.
That's very strange! Seems non-sensical to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by jondrums
FWIW, last season I installed my 2010-11 Plum Guide bindings in a Dynafit Manaslu ski that had previously been used with Dynafit Vertical ST bindings. I never noticed any different fore/aft spacing. (Granted I wasn't examining for that, but I would have thought any problems would become apparent.)
First home mount last night using fritschi template. I dont think I will ever pay for another mount. Thanks again.
having a hard time getting the salomon template to print to the right scale using Adobe Reader, the scale is about 14mm short.
I don't know Adobe for shit and havent been able to find a scaling % to go a guess and check route.
Any help out there?
You may find scaling options in your printer properties when you go to print. The newer Acrobat Reader dropped print scaling options for some retarded reason. You could also try Foxit Reader as it has print scaling options.
very helpful once i figured out the scaling options. gonna save me so much money!
yep, never was able to figure it out in adobe reader whateverthefuck. no scaling % anymore and wasted a lot of time trying to work with that. ended up opening in CS5 instead and the scaling was correct from the get go.
thanks for all the info in here, i will be on snow tomorrow because of it.
For jondrums reference and others. I mounted some jester demos a while ago which is the same hole pattern as schizo, and regular jesters but with the 5th toe hole. I actually modified the template slightly to match my measurements of the binding. I just printed the new jester template just issued and the new dimensions match my modifications exactly, so although I have not used it directly I am sure it is right now.
Used the Jester template today to do some inserts and everything goes together like peanut butter and chocolate.
Jondrums, thanks for doing the templates for us. My 2nd mount went perfect with your Look px template. I went slowly, but i know it is a better mount than 99% of the shops would have done. Your the mag.
I've probably said this before, as I've used these templates some 20x without a single mismount, but this is absolutely the most useful thread on TGR. Saved me probably $1000 in mounts.
I just used the FKS mount on my S7's.
Didn't even bother with the templates in the binding box.
Forward pressure set correctly in the middle of the adjustment range. Thanks!
Just used these to confirm mounting hole locations for FKS and Salomons to fit on an MFD Alltime. Jondrums, you have PM.
I don't know if this has ever been resolved, or if anyone noticed, but the tyrolia/head paper template is off.
The rearmost heel screw markings are too narrow by a few mm. Its probably between 2-3mm but I forget since I last used them. Believe me when I say it wasn't a printer issue, the rest of the holes were spot on, and I have mounted about 5 pairs with the template, I just had to adjust the rear holes when punching the dents.
5 different template prints, over the course of 3 seasons, all were wrong in the exact same way. 3 different pairs of Tyrolia bindings, all had to be adjusted for, so it wasn't coincidence.
I would love it if the template could be fixed, so I don't have to think so hard next time.
Joe, I have a pair of Mojo 15s, so I'll check the template and fix it!
So even with the small difference between the PLUM and the Dynafit pattern, I had a fairly easy time getting a spot on mount done. Really stoked with the rig...hopefully it skis as well as I think it will!
Measure. Then measure again.
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/c...e/515d45dd.jpg
Dry mount. This actually saved me this time as I had the rear half of the template lined up on the wrong hash mark
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/c...e/39b2284e.jpg
Drill, glue, screw, and voila! Plum's on Concept's.
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/c...e/43f839df.jpg
Sick looking sticks.
What I do is toe holes first rather than try to get both templates lined up at the same time. I also cut them on the bsl scale so they can't be misaligned fore/aft.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikemcee
That looks sick. I'm very jealous.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikemcee
I have a 320mm BSL.
I fold the templates on the 340mm line and use a hole punch at the 320mm mark.
This leaves a hole at 320mm and 360mm, so now there are two holes that can be used to align to center.
I also put a hole at the other end of the template and use that to align as well.
I did that too. That was the actual "hmmm" moment when I realized that despite measuring twice, I was still an idiot. The good news is I know myself well enough to realize I need to double double check everything before I do something I can't reverse. Like drill holes in brand new skis.Quote:
Originally Posted by pisteoff
i feel retarded right now - I looked and can't find it; I swear i saw it a few months ago..grrr
what size drill bit do I use for dukes? what is the depth of the drill bit? Better to tape it off or buy a "ski-bit"?
thanks
Better to buy a ski bit. The tape can slide. Drill bit size depends on your skis construction. For a normal skis with no metal, 3.5X9.5 is the most common.
Thanks.
I am a Jong at this. I will probably mount about 8 2x4's
I was planning on mounting a pair of DPS and 4frnts. DPS says to use 4.1 +/- .1. Would a 4.1 work for 4frnt too?
My local ski shop doesn't have bits. Would home hardware Canadian tire etc carry a depth-stop bit?
Thanks
I don't have a any experience with the all carbon skis. But I was under the impression for normal skis like the 4frnts, that the 3.5 was the desired size. The ski bits will be hard to find except from specialized retailers. To stay cheap, you can use a stop collar, or I've even heard of drilling through a cork the proper depth and then sucking the cork up tight to the chuck of the drill. On a lot of skis, the bit size is listed near the boot center mark. If you'll be mounting a lot of skis, it sure is nice to have the right bits. Might be worth the investment...
the dps is a hybrid...i was just going by the FAQ on the website. i will see what marshal says too.
I'll probably be mounting some Plums myself before the end of the year, possibly on Sollyfit plates (or just Sollyfit toe plates). Jondrums: could you comment on the Plum-Sollyfit compatibility now that you have confirmed the toe spacing is 0.5mm longer than a Dynafit pattern?
I thought you might like to see the jig that I made on my laser cutter based on the paper templates here.
jondrums: email me at willo at powercordlabs dot com if you're interested in having me make some for your shop.
I combined the paper template for my size (315mm) and cut this out of some spare transparent acrylic that I had on hand. Clear would be better, but the red worked well.
The markings on the ends made it really easy to line up.
http://biobug.org/lj/ski-template.jpg
Plums work great on the plates even in light of the .5mm difference. I run plum guides on the plates myself (switched over from FT12 last season).