This one was in suburban Boston the other day just strolling through the feeding pens/yards
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This one was in suburban Boston the other day just strolling through the feeding pens/yards
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Buh? Why is he a dipshit? He was riding his horse with his dogs tagging along when a coyote came up and grabbed one of the dogs.Quote:
Originally Posted by plugboots
I see you point.Quote:
Originally Posted by plugboots
My counter is that:
Population increase and dispersion is mostly due to mass killing coyotes (bounty and directly sponsored mass hunts, helicopter hunts, and mass poisoning). This should end.
Killing a few individuals in residential/livestock zones probably doesn't noticeably affect population but probably deters the respective pack from those zones.
Q: if killing a coyote for just doing what it does is wrong do you also then allow rats and mice to just do what comes naturally and, as Mazderati put it " trespassed on an arbitrarily drawn boundary" into your pantry? I mean there just trying to live their little rodent lives and all...........
I know a couple people who have had that happen. Normally seems to be bird dogs that are happy go lucky and don't have mean bone in their body. Like mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by KQ
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And their territory now expands into what was once - trigger warning - wolf territory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Summit
Well, DUH!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mazderati
Now why don't you talk about your views on fishing and also answer KQ point about rats.
Rats are smart and fuzzy, just like coyotes, after all!
My previous Golden kicked a coyotes ass once.. I'd never seen him get mad and never did again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leavenworth Skier
My current one wouldn't stand a chance, even back in his prime years.... other than perhaps by running away... he's a coward... but he's fast.
On a similar note neighbors in GW had their Pyrenean Mountain Dog killed by a cougar on Friday..
In a month the town will be full of mostly american fisherman cuz the C & R steelhead industry is big money around here for guides resturants and lodgings I often wonder how many times these fish have been caught & released
most of the fisherman handle the fish very gently, don't pick the fish up very far out of the water, maybe they crouch with it for a picture, release and have a slug of scotch
we had a Kiwi kayak here for a couple of years and he said downunder it was common practise to handle the fish they might release using a dish towel
Your argument is to attempt elimination of a predatory nuisance. That was and is the same argument for wolves, mountain lions, panthers, and jaguars. The results have been and continue to be a decimated population, extirpation, and some other nuisance that fills the void.Quote:
Originally Posted by Summit
Never had a rat or mouse problem so am not qualified to have an opinion on the topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Summit
If wolves were common like coyotes the same DMZ would apply.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mazderati
I had a black bear come through the field one time, that was pretty cool.
Coyotes are far more common in urban environments than most people realize. Check out this sighting map from Portland http://blog.nature.org/science/2016/...tizen-science/Quote:
Originally Posted by BigDaddy
More info
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/coywo...-coywolf/8605/
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/meet-...-habitat/8640/
http://www.urbancoyoteproject.com/bl...-urban-coyotes
5. mazz is acting like a doucheQuote:
Originally Posted by Mazderati
Excellent posts in this thread, riser. Really. Fantastic contribution.
KQ your neighbor is a dipshit for knowing there are coyotes around and having a dog that is coyote candy out with him, unprotected. He must have really loved that dog.
I've changed my mind, he's a grade A #1 asshole.
Where have I argued for that? Also that is not happening...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mazderati
You do realize those are the same thing, right?Quote:
mountain lions, panthers
Also that there is an overpopulation of those animals...
Have you had a coyote problem?Quote:
Never had a rat or mouse problem so am not qualified to have an opinion on the topic.
Or should we also assume that you have never been fishing? ;)
You have no counter argument because your reasoning is inconsistent. You are engaged in special pleading for Fido-esque wild predators.
Are we sure he isn't a pio alias?Quote:
Originally Posted by riser3
Huh.Quote:
Originally Posted by plugboots
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Originally Posted by Summit
Assume whatever you want. You've done it the entire discussion.
I have never, until now, considered killing coyotes purely for the sake of killing them. So you should congratulate yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mazderati
Assumptions are fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mazderati
What matters is this:
You have yet to defend your position or answer any questions related to them. You clearly are unable or unwilling to engage in sensible debate.
Well that is Portland, so results are a little skewed. Isn't it common for hipsters to have coyotes for pets?...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dantheman
I see them all the time in places as sophisticated as Iceman's home town, mid day, sauntering across the carefully manicured lawn like they own the place. We have a pack or two in my town as well, and so I always keep an eye out. They don't seem as big in the burbs, tho... is that true? I've only heard of one dog getting nabbed and it was a toy poodle.
But they are all over the place in Vermont. I hear them yipping at all hours and my dog has a bird... makes for some fun, restless evenings, like this past weekend, lol.
And FTR, Maz is the farthest person from a douche IRL. (At least that's what he asked me to say.)
Hah. Don't ruin my rep!
Interesting that C&R fishing was brought up.
Summit, the studies I have read show a much greater mortality rate than what you posted.Quote:
Studies show 3-10% of catch-and-release fish die. This probably means a couple 100,000 of dead fish per year in the US.
I have fly fished for a long time and anymore I crimp my barbs so aggressively that if I give the fish a good bit of slack they self release.
To me the moment that counts is the strike and the set, once they are hooked they are pretty much caught, at least in my mind, so why not let them off ASAP, i know what a trout looks like, don't need anymore stinkin pictures. As for eating them, if a trout is from a high mountain lake it has decent flavor. The river fish around here have all the flavor of a chunk of cardboard.
If a fish cannot spit the fly after a bunch of attempts at slacking the line I will get it in close and cut the line.
I shoot gophers as soon as the enter into my yard. Does that make me an asshole? Don't really care.
Makes you a Montana resident. Pretty sure that's the state sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by bunion