That’s a lot of ebike for the money.Quote:
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I’ve ridden a similar HT 27.5 RM Growler Power Play for four years.
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That’s a lot of ebike for the money.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperChief
I’ve ridden a similar HT 27.5 RM Growler Power Play for four years.
250W class 1, but nice build for the price?Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperChief
My understanding is that a majority, perhaps up to an unbelievable 75%, of forks come out of the factory with stanchion tubes that are not perfectly parallel with each other. This causes binding of the uppers and lowers.Quote:
Originally Posted by jm2e
Triple crown moto forks require/allow regular straightening to counteract misalignment. Single crown forks are trickier to deal with in this regard, thus my sending the fork to diaz.
I have sent in all my suspension for mtb and moto to get tuned. I usually ride them a several times from New then send them. That way I can tell the difference.
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I'd be really curious about how he does this. As a former machine shop owner, I can only come up with one possible way to perfectly (well, nothing's perfect) re-align fork stanchions. That would be a fixture made from a solid block of steel, two holes bored perfectly in the exact stanchion diameter and spacing, the entire length of the tubes; one fixture for every different size fork.Quote:
Originally Posted by skinipenem
The cost of this would be astronomical, even by my standards. (and you know where I work)
And that's the easy part.
The hard part would be coming up with some way to eliminate springback. Springback is the cause of any misalignment in the first place. They are manufactured in a pretty much perfect fixture and then heat treated. It's the springback as it comes out of the fixture that causes this issue.
I just don't see how it's possible to realistically achieve better than what the factory manufactures.
Now, if I was a betting man, I'd bet that Diaz is actually aligning the bushings in the lowers. Basically utilizing a burnishing tool long enough to hit both bushing at once.
That would make a lot more sense to me. I could be wrong but I doubt it.
Insane pricing. This has better parts, suspension and motor than my 2019 base model. Its 2500cad less and 1000cad less than my commencal meta am 29 essential enduro bike was. I'd prob get the core 3 though
https://ca.yt-industries.com/product...coy-mx-core-2/
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Pulled the trigger on a S3 sized Turbo Levo Carbon. Upgraded to a Fox 38 Factory on the front and a PUSH ELEVENSIX on the back with XT brakes. Should have it this week. The $4800 deal was too good to pass up. Of course my wife who also rides a lot too needed a bike and of course we couldn't find the same deal in the S2 size so she ended up with the Turbo Levo Comp. Gulp! We'll ride the shit out of 'em and the money will be forgotten. We will have them by this next weekend and I'll post a pic or two.
^^ You're stoked. Especially with the 38 upgrade. Put a coil in it and never look back.
Fun times ahead for the LT fam!
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Ok, so, I'm not going to do it, but...
What does the collective think about a kids turbo levo?
My thoughts: great for kids to get more laps with parent(s). More times up to bat for bike handling skill progression. Not so great for riding with non-ebike kid friends. Not so great when other parents chastise ebike parent (but really who gives a f#@.)
Thought crossed my mind since the kids levo is 1k off.
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Knowing how heavy a 50 lb ebike is for me, a full size adult to wrangle, I can't imagine that even a 40lb ebike is very manageable for a kid.
I'd rather get a Towee strap and pull them up on their regular bike with my ebike.
Had to check it out. Just under 36lbs. Seems reasonable.If you have the means, great little thing for the fam ride or for jr to pound laps and spin off that energy.
Some kids like climbing at that age but a lot of them whine and complain until they get to the down, even good kids. Good tool to get them thru those few years. Its hard to get a little wheel bike up some of the climbs that we climb. There is insanely talented kids out there today because of bike parks. Add in one of those levos and we're getting the next level of talent
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Well, my Levo lasted approximately 10.5 months before the motor started making awful noises. I rode it a couple more times after cleaning it to see if it'd go away and it just got worse. I took it to the local Specialized shop and the mechanic winced when he heard the noise. So... new motor incoming. That's why I wouldn't recommend people buy ebikes without local warranty support.
Specialized, surprisingly enough, does seem to be ready to swap a motor fairly quick.
It should work that way for any good shop when someone brings a bike in with a bosch or shimano motor as well. They plug it in to the puter, find the problem and deal with bosch or shimano no matter what the bike brand is. I'm not sure a lot of bike shops are up to speed on motor diagnostics though. A friend has had his bosch motor fixed the next day a couple times. Parts seem readily available for them. Yt told me just take it to a lbs and diagnose it and theyll pay. Then shimano dropped the ball until yt stepped in and called shimano. I think even if i bought a bike with a shimano motor from a shop its going to be in shimanos hands when and what gets done, not the bike company. Shimano wasnt returning calls or emails to the shop i went to Brose isnt fkn around with their golden goose , specialized. They often need replacing though so its a well known flaw so theyve excelerated the swapping procedure to mitigate blow back. My 1st shimano motor died after 2 months at 1800km. This latest one im at 8500km and , knock on wood, its still working. I'd consider any of them at this point. A quick brose swap on a motor that runs well when it runs but most like will fail repeatedly, shimano that feels good but has a decent chance of failure and possibly shimano has a swap ready or bosch that may break or may not break one part or another, good availability on parts, generally last long but still not perfect and absolutely hauls the mail. Yamaha like bosch with a few more failures. You should get specialized level service from giant if your yamaha dies? Shop dependent in all these cases. We should be able to plug them in to our own computers and share directly with a motor company. No humans involved. You spit out an error code and they spit out the service.
We see service centers now for brose, bosch and ysmaha and ive found a guy in europe that now services shimano and also sells rebuilt ones at decent prices. I can swap in an ep8 in place of my e8000 with just splicing on 2 ep8 wire connectors on to my existing wires. For that reason and yt's good communication i'd buy another yt. I do want a bosch though. More pulling power and a fair bit longer range but i'd consider a spesh with similar power and range, pricey though. The newest brose seems more durable. Kind of hoping yt get a new bike with a bosch motor to be honest. That'd be a good price, good frame, power, range and serviceable for yrs. Im not against keeping a spare motor as well
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Anyone have any experience with Rambo bikes? I have a pursuit 750. Fell off the rack. On the highway.
I may start another thread looking for some advice w what to do. Fork is toast (but it’s replaceable). Bike shop guys says the frame is bent, I can’t see how it’s bent and his “measurement” left some questions. Looked like he was tweaking out (and I can get a replacement frame if needed). Just seems like no bike mechanic wants to get involved w the electronics (which should be ok in theory).
Thoughts??
An electric bike shop msy be best if you have one you can go to. Chances sre they'd have the most experience with that.
Maybe borrow a fork somewhere and go for a spin to see how the frzme alignment is? After a good mechanical and weld/crack check
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I like my Brose motor when it works, but I've watched a few YouTube videos on servicing them and it seems like there's not great sealing around the spindle. So water gets in and destroys the various regular and sprag bearings. My guess is that's what happened to mine, which is nuts because I washed the thing <10 times. I did ride it in some pretty heinous shitty conditions during the winter to do trail work though. There were also issues before with the belts wearing out but apparently the latest carbon belts are very durable. My buddy who's on his 3rd(?) motor thinks his was a belt once and sprag bearings the other 2 times.
I'd love for Santa Cruz to put a Bosch in the next version of a Bullit (like the Crestline). I just like how my Nomad rides, but want a better motor than the old EP8 (and larger battery) that's in the current Bullit. The SRAM/Brose one would be ok too, since there's lots of SC dealers to deal with motor swaps, but I'm definitely Bosch-curious now that the latest ones have a nice top tube display like Spec/Brose.
I wonder if the guys servicing motors add seals? I think in reading about the guy that services the shimanos, that i follow, was adding seals. I know he's always stressing a particular grease he swears by but i think seals were mentioned.
I think the new ep801 has a focus on being well sealed and the motor is supposed to pull much better. I'd take that with a grain of salt though and its still not going to be as efficient with the battery. Biggest thing people notice going from shimano to brose or bosch is how much longer they can use boost/turbo. I only have a 540w battery and i try and squeeze in as much eco and trail mode as i can. Eco or trail on pave or rail trail on the way to the mtb trails. A lot of days i wish i had more or its some serious battery management. New sram system is pretty attractive and then brose' new 48v is another step with the added heat management 48v will accomplish. 48v and some added sealing and it may be it but then are we going to get some good options with pinion mgu next year? I think i'll milk mine another year with maybe a 720w battery and/or a cheap rebuilt ep8 upgrade then sell it with the ep8 and rebuilt e8000 with both batteries in a yr or so
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Yeah, it sounds like the 3rd party motor service centers (for people out of warranty) add seals. The one video I was watching yesterday specifically pointed out that they do that. He said it doesn't fully eliminate water ingress, but massively reduces it and correspondingly lengthens bearing life.
Ok cool. Seems like thats a big issue for all of them. I occasionaly pack some grease around my axle. I prob should be doing that more often
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I finally joined the party with a Niner WFO e9. I went for a little ride to get acquainted on some familiar trails. Holy shit was that fun. I think the new bike will see more use than the moto this summer. At least until I run out of talent and hurt myself.
It is nuts. I didn't ride my moto last summer once other than a couple trials bike sessions. The ebike is that much fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by MotoBeak
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[QUOTE=skinipenem;7070184]It is nuts. I didn't ride my moto last summer once other than a couple trials bike sessions. The ebike is that much fun.
Actually SOLD the moto to fund the ebike last Fall. Zero regrets, especially since most of the trails we were riding out in the Big Holes on the moto are ridiculously fun on the ebike. Also probably scored a few bonus points with the wifey as I usually ended up riding solo on a bunch of moto rides and safety-wise probably wasn't the smartest move..... I'm still not giving up pedalling the amish bike by no means but the ebike has been an amazing addition to the quiver. Now to line up an ebike for the wifey.....
I been using boost only for the last 2 yrs 4000 km all at low speed, with a 630w battery I can be in boost for about 3-4 hrs depending on what i'm doing after which i'm ready for a beer but I almost never run it flat doing just real mtn bikingQuote:
Originally Posted by grinch
My POV is I bought a bike with a motor some people treat it like a motor with a bike, but we are stuck with the motor/ battery the mfger spec'ed the bike with and i bought a Sanata Cruz Bullit, the shimano mtr was the incidental part. I hear all kinds of smack talk on shimano and there is all kinds of on-line smack talk about the other brands but no body really knows the stats, also the majority might be people who don't really mtb, its all anecdotal so just ride the bike
I keep fairly up on it because i want to be prepared if/when something goes wrong with my motor. I see this guy in poland refurbishes ep8's with seals and the super quality grease and sells them at a decent price. The ep8 uses the same battery as my e8000 but i just need to splice in a couple connectors to plug my speed sensor and handlebar computer to the ep8. Then ill have 85nm! Up 15nm from my e8000 and his ep8's are a bit better sealed. I avoid riding muddy days as it is so this e8000 has faired well now w 6000km on it now/touch wood. The new ep801 sounds like theyve done a fair bit of improving but its a different system so its no cross compatible. Bosch still hauls the best and can be rebuilt in most countries and gives the most mileage/battery watt so ill probably skip the ep801 and get a bosch bike. Thats the reason a number of companies have changed from shimano to bosch. Im in no rush though. Might just try and swap in a refurbished ep8 and a 720 w battery and milk that for a couple years and hopefully we'll have access to motor gearbox unit(mgu) emtb's by then. Belt drive with a supersealed mgu seems like the dream. 10 minute oil change once a year, swap some brake pads and tires and gtgQuote:
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yeah I read postings on the same site, you get some wanker telling the blog he used to race and he uses the proper cadence which is why motors fail but thats not why EP8's get E010, they fail cuz they are a computer with 2 wheels and sometimes computers just quit working the polish guy knows shit but still i wonder what he can actualy fix with seals & grease cuz the vast majority of reported motor killing problems reported by the end loser are E010 which is suposed to be a sensor or sft and unless he has a way to deal with that WTF eh ? btw I had a lot of intermitent E010 which went away after Shimano went to firmware 4.1.8
I do think you want to keep the EP8 away from water, fortunatley my area is pretty well drained
If the EP8 quit working today I think I would just buy a new EP8 from Shimano
As motors go I think eventualy the pinion with a belt drive will be where its at but thats probably still some years off cuz you gotta market & distribute it
I heard the reason most EP8’s fail is a simple lack of punctuation.
You got lucky. E010 is usually, almost all of the time, the torque sensor braking off inside. Looks like the polish guy might be able to fix it. It also looks like the motors he throws away are destroyed from water/mud ingress. The bearings go, axle gets destroyed and motherboard contaminated. An annual grease and avoiding soaking them probably goes a long ways in preserving them. I think he puts a newer/better seal in them. Ive yet to find someone in n america working on shimano though. So bosch still rules for rebuild, parts , power, efficiency, and durability. If you think the durabilities of the motors are similar you still have 4 of definitive reasons to buy bosch. I'd consider a rocky mt/dyname but i think i might miss motor overun and i might even consider a brose/sram now as tge horror story failures seem to have tapered off. Pinion have big $ behind them. I think porsche owns them now. Reviews look quite good from the first few trials thatve came out. People want them yesterday. I wouldnt be surprised if we have a number of bike choices with them next year so maybe ill get one the following yearQuote:
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[QUOTE=GravityDT;7070203]The ebike is replacing the trials bike for me. I bought it mostly for a different way to ride a lot of familiar moto trails. Not that I'm totally bored with moto, just looking to bring some new fun to my riding. Kind of like trying tele if you get bored with a fixed heel. Except ebikes are actually fun! I'll be bringing the moto and the ebike for a visit with friends in Alta and the Big Holes this summer.Quote:
Originally Posted by skinipenem
[QUOTE=MotoBeak;7070857]Gimme a holler if you like, I could show you some stuff. Heads up, though, this is basically no e-biking allowed at Targhee and the other trails in Alta. (WY). The Big Holes is where it’s at.Quote:
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Team EEB:
How do you ship an eMTB from Canada (Whistler) to the US (Truckee, CA)? I'm wanting to buy a Transition Repeater I've found, but need it to cross the Maple-Brodozer Divide.
BikeFlights will ship the ebike so long as the battery is removed, and they suggest finding another company to ship the battery. https://faq.bikeflights.com/support/...ternationally-
My question is: who ships lithium eMTB batteries from Canada to the US?? Bonus points if you know the ballpark cost. My Google-Fu is coming up empty.
I jumped on the mid-power ebike bandwagon, picked up a Heckler SL and sold my Levo.
https://www.vitalmtb.com/community/andehm/heckler-sl
I kinda went nuts on the build. No regrets though, this rides so much better for my weight than a 52 lb pig. I can still bang out 4,500 ft in just over 2 hours after work.
Wow, you have to look pretty close to even notice that's an eeber.
Nice! I'm on the fence with one of those also. There's a Thursday ride with a group of trail builders I'd like to join, but they're all on ebikes to get more laps in. The small battery w/ less weight is appealingQuote:
Originally Posted by Andeh
One can open up a Yamaha and overhaul in there basement.
Let me know if you have any questions. I'm really pleased with it so far, but have a few minor criticisms. And they're one of the few SC bikes NOT on sale right now, so I bought mine from a shop in Oregon and my buddy who lives there brought it down when he visited.Quote:
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I think that’s the goal.Quote:
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Well there ya go. You can have fun and continue being a lil bitch about them
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What are the criticisms? I am *following* this, as I don’t always want to lug around the full power…but I do LOVE 108nm on demand. It’s addictive on the moto trails.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andeh