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so before this bike goes to its new owner I took my tape and measured, those flared bars are 25" at the ends but only 18" at the hoods which is the same spacing as my road bike
I almost never spend any time down on the drops so the wide part i am not gona use and those flared bars impress me less and less the more i think about it
something else to thing about if you are touring or bike pack or WTF I don't think those flared bars are going to be very stable for leaning up against something
What have you found for good rides around Maine? I've been thinking of around Richardson, the Mahoosucs or Baxter, Scientific Forest, Woods and Waters.Quote:
Originally Posted by ticketchecker
Now I'm just waiting to be able to pick up my bike to actually get used to longer and multi-day rides.
I run these in a 700x38. It's a staple in the gravel world as a do all tire with solid pavement performance. I've raced them, done a few thousand miles of gravel roads, singletrack (Bozeman town trails + Triple Tree), and a lot of road rides. No complaints at all, in fact, I'm buying a pair of 43's to use on bigger gravel rides this summer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whiteroom_Guardian
You want something wider than 50mm?Quote:
Originally Posted by Whiteroom_Guardian
I have the Venture 700x50s and like them a lot. Don't feel too slow on pavement, but pretty comfortable on loose gravel and dirt. Braking traction on hero dirt singletrack is much worse than just about any properly knobby tire, but you could guess that from the tread pattern. I have about 2000 miles on my pair, and will probably buy another set when these wear out.
If you want even better pavement performance, the WTB Byways have smooth center tread, and are available in 47mm width.
I just loaded a set of 700x44 Byways on my Sutra LTD and got out for the first ride tonight. The were difficult to get the bead set but seem to be holding air just fine now.
Tonight was only 15 miles but on tarmac, gravel, jeep track and mt bike trails. Color me impressed.
They are light and supple. They roll very quickly on pavement and on the sandy single track they hooked up and I never totally spun out.
I would not want them when it gets wet or greasy as I doubt they would grip well enough in such conditions.
I was running them at 40 psi this afternoon so maybe at lower pressure they would be even better off road.
Funny, I almost pulled the trigger on those exact tires yesterday in 650x47. I'm running WTB Resolute in 650x42 right now. I aired them up higher tonight and did a 23 mile loop of town trails out towards triple tree. Super fun. With just a little more air they were great on pavement too.Quote:
Originally Posted by kathleenturneroverdrive
The WTB Venture was my second choice after the Gravelkings, but still wanted something big....and cheap. So I found $29 Schwalbe Thunder Burts online in 27.5x2.1. Will really turn this rig into a monster truck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Toddball
I think the ideal setup for this bike is 2 wheelsets. One 700c set with gravelkings or ventures with a high 30s low 40s width and then the 650b set with some smooth XC mtb tires like the Burts. Gonna slap those on this weekend and might really hate the pavement performance. We will see.
There are usually good deals on Gravelking SKs. Most reviews note how they seem to pick up little pebbles and throw them into the downtube, chipping the paint. The Venture tread looks like it would be even worse for this, but I don't have any experience and haven't read enough reviews.
My wife runs GK slicks and she likes them well enough but she doesn't really go off road.
Does anyone run mismatched tires for gravel or mixed surfaces? i.e. 47mm Byway rear and Venture front? For when you want to roll fast but not eat it suddenly when you hit a damp section...
Just bought a Salsa Journeyman for gravely adventures and general riding. I definitely wanted flat bar so options were relatively limited. Journeyman had geometry I liked best and seemed overall best bet for a flat bar. Journeyman was well under what I budgeted so thinking about using the savings on some upgrades. Any wheelset recommendations?
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What's the difference between a flat bar gravel bike and a hybrid?
NothingQuote:
Originally Posted by El Chupacabra
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Been doing a lot of climbing lately
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My experience has been the opposite. whatever max tire width a manu claims, reality seems to always be a little narrower. hopefully I'm wrong in your case though! congrats on the new rig!Quote:
Originally Posted by Whiteroom_Guardian
Dudes, less is more! No need to run anything fatter than a 700x38c. Part of the fun is riding crazy shit on skinny ass rubber. 2.1’s? Come on man. All that extra drag on the dirt roads and pavement, fuck no!
Take a Lap
There is so much more to tires than width. Casing, tread compound, tread pattern, suppleness, tubeless, etc. all make a serious difference.
I’ll make it easy for you, Schwalbe g-one’s in 700x38, tubeless.
Go ride.
That is a solid choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by buttahflake
x2 that's my go to rubber choice. super low rolling resistance on road, decent durability, traction and nice and supple tubeless. and the 35s are great as a daily commuter tire.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peruvian
I think eventually I will pick up a decent 700c wheelset. For now the 650x42 Resolute works great on pavement. Tubeless with the right tire pressure and they move really fast. I'm just mostly curious to see how a drop bar hardtail will feel with those 2.1s.
Have you run the G-one and the GravelKings? I'm mainly wondering if the g-one is faster on pavementQuote:
Originally Posted by buttahflake
I tend to disagree. I had nothing but bad luck with those tires. Moved to Hutchinson and many more miles with no flats or puncture holes. Rolls just as well IMOQuote:
Originally Posted by Peruvian
What do I know...my new Byways are 44mm and kick ass.
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Sweet!Quote:
Originally Posted by Peruvian
I rode 20 miles yesterday with the thunder burts. Definitely fun as hell. Rolling resistance is hardly any more at all than the resolutes. It's the wind resistance and rotational mass that's the killer. Once you get up to speed they feel great, but then you do hit a speed limit bombing pavement downhills because of the wind drag.
Of course I PRed the only really chunky dirt/gravel/pothole road. I guess if I was doing a pure all gravel ride with camping stuff on the bike these tires would make more sense? I still can't wrap my head around how TDR racers do 100+ miles a day with XC tires.
I think as I enter into this whole gravel realm I realize that I would still want to do bigger days, go fast, sprint at times, etc. and would rather sacrifice some road comfort for speed. I would go with a Topstone or something similar. I definitely miss the efficiency of carbon going up hill. Weight saving too. 700c and skinnier/smoother. Basically what you guys have been suggesting. Basically my old road bike with an ever so slightly more upright riding position, disc wheels/brakes, and clearance for 38s maybe 40s. Can you tell I have been watching Therabouts movies?
If anyone has a line on a decent 700c disc wheelset 15x100 front 12x124 rear that is tubeless for sale let me know.
I don't really mind the 40mm nanos on the road. Yeah not quite as fast and aero as a narrow slick but I'm fine with just riding them wherever all the time and don't need to bother swapping on, say, the 32mm clement slicks I have in the tire bin. I think the 2.1 nanos are pretty popular for tour divide? I'd probably use something like those or a maxxis aspen etc. My kenda sabers are fast as shit but I wouldn't trust their durability for something like that.
I'm thinking about a more modern cx bike, butnot like a "gravel" bike as I actually race cross. Just having a little longer and slacker bike and hydro discs will go a long way on those rougher, steeper descents. Probably a super x, maybe a major jake, outside option orbea terra. This color scheme is kinda neat
https://www.orbea.com/us-en/bicycles...terra-m20-d-1x
They do market that as more of a gravel bike than cx race but the geo is pretty much identical to a super x so I could flip a coin. Well, actually comes down to cost and I can get a cannondale for a lot less.
Anyway, mtb first, I don't need to worry about a cx bike for months and who knows how much of a race season is even going to happen.
Oh, next year's topstone carbon has 650b wheels and a lefty ocho. Kinda makes sense as a slightly less goofy replacement for the slate and that rear end pivot thing claims to have up to 30mm of travel. Not sure how far the fork is going to move, I'd guess in the 30-50mm range.
I'm looking to get something cheap to ride road/gravel/dirt roads when mtb trails are wet or closed. I'm looking at this bike here, does anyone have any input on it? I'm trying to get something decently cheap that will last a while
https://vermont.craigslist.org/bik/d...125023388.html
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Damn that is a heady rig right there.Quote:
Originally Posted by CantDog
Waiting on the wheels for the Knolly Cache and a few other pieces and then the Igleheart will wear some wide slicks and be my ‘road’ bike.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whiteroom_Guardian
Post the finished cache pics eh? I was surprised it took so long for a drop bar bike aimed at shortish stem lengths.
Revelate Designs bags are 25% off at REI right now. Not sure if that was shared earlier.
https://www.rei.com/search?q=revelate+designs
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75mi, 5200 ft
35mi on dirt
1 apple pie lara bar
4 salted watermelon shot blocks
1 giant cookie
1 katarina nash edition pb banana clif bar
1 bag haribo peaches
3 waters
1 wally
1 draughtworks hand rolled ipa
1 strava kom
I used some 35mm G-One tires for the first time yesterday and I was really impressed. I ran really low pressure 45-50psi, and was surprised at how comfortable they were on gravel for being such a narrow tire. (Mostly on fine gravel - rough/chunky gravel was not great.) Somehow it seemed more comfortable than a 2.2 XC tire at 25psi and rolled really fast. I assume it has to do with a really flexible casing. They are slower on pavement but not insanely slow which is nice.
Nice one jamal!
I was out on my gravel rig today, perfect weather, finally. Been a rugged spring around these parts.
Love my g-ones. 700x38 at 37psi. Light Bicycle carbon rims, DT Swiss 240’s with DT bladed spokes, it’s a nice bike.
From today in Westminster West, VT.
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Man that's a sweet rig!Quote:
Originally Posted by buttahflake
Switched back to the smaller tires on the Ragley. Heading south in search of blazing temps and empty BLM roads.
Just bought a Relevate Designs Tangle half frame bag from REI. Great price at $67. Ordered online, same day curbside pickup. It fits like custom on my size 56 Sutra LTD.
Which size did you get? I have a 54cm Sutra LTD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peruvian
Thanks for the heads up on this, just got 2 feedbags and the Shrew for long day trips.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iowagriz
I bought the medium.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dromond
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Haven't followed the whole discussion on tires as of yet, but I just threw on WTB Riddler 700x45c on my Pivot Vault and have been impressed all around. Not too much time on true pavement rides to check rolling resistance there, but plenty of dirt roads and trails and loving them so far. Coming from 40c Ramblers and 38,40,42c GK SK+ and have to say these hold their own, wasn't sure I was going to like the extra width of a 45, but love running less pressure and better cornering. My .02
I’ve lived deep in the woods for 20 years, until recently. Going camping meant actually spending time closer to people than I would be sitting around a bonfire in my back yard. As a result, we didn’t go.
Well, it’s been 7 months since we moved to town and when I came across a homemade beer can alcohol stove I assumed I threw away, it gave me inspiration for a S24O to the mountains.
So I literally found some old canoe straps to cut down, pulled the others from the skis, and attached some stuff sacks to the bike. I was gone just after lunch.
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I hit my first short stretch of gravel before leaving the city limits, but most of this trip was on paved roads. A few hours later I arrived at the state park.
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I poked around to decide with lean to I wanted and unpacked.
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Dinner was next and the stove worked better than ever.
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After dinner I set out to locate a brook I knew of to get some water for the morning. I wish I had brought something other than Crocs to hike in as a trip up to Sunset Ridge would have been nice. Instead I turned around after a mile and headed back to camp.
While I waited for the stars and that beautiful crescent moon to come out, my serene backcountry mood was broken (many times over) buy a bunch of drunk maggots texting each other.
Temps in the mid-40s meant I was snug all night long. I was awoken by Disney fucking levels of animal chatter around 6am but it felt good to just lay in my sleeping bag a while longer.
I’m so happy to have learned about those Starbucks instant coffee packets.
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The brooks and flowers were babbling and blooming just for me this morning.
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I stopped to watch the sunrise over Manny
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and 30 miles later and I was back in town.
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I decided to take the scenic route along the lake on the bike path.
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Looked like a good morning for a sail.
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Back home in time for a second breakfast and an afternoon with the wife.