"All weather" tires in place of winter tires

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Originally Posted by El Chupacabra

A traditional 4WD system with a rear locker could be used for this test. My experience with rear lockers in on road snow driving is that I don't want one. Aggressive

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I don't use the rear lock for normal driving, but it can be the difference between walking out of the mountains (or spending hours getting unstuck) for off camber snowdrifts with a steep drop off / truck's at a steep angle (the kind where you are almost shitting your pants and pray you keep moving toward the far side), getting through a deep swale, sand, etc. I never keep it locked in except to get through tricky spots that I damn sure don't want to stop moving. There have been several times where it's the only way I could continue further.

Sometimes I miss my 68 chevy with a 327 and pizza cutters, all this traction control crap that people "think" they are turning off with the push of a button annoys the crap out of me. Reaching to lock in 4wd while in the cab on a shitstorm day makes me appreciate my F150 though. :)
(removed the running boards and that stupid front plastic spoiler thing under the bumper that just pushes snow/slows the truck when it gets deeper)

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Originally Posted by glademaster

Honorable mention for full-time mechanical 4wd via a Torsen center differential (i.e. Land Cruiser, certain 4Runners, certain Land Rovers, MT FJ Cruiser).

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For sure, I remember feeling unstoppable in my friend's Land Cruiser in high school.

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Originally Posted by 3PinGrin

Sometimes I miss my 68 chevy with a 327 and pizza cutters, all this traction control crap that people "think" they are turning off with the push of a button annoys the crap out of me. Reaching to lock in 4wd while in the cab on a shitstorm day makes me appreciate my F150 though. :)
(removed the running boards and that stupid front plastic spoiler thing under the bumper that just pushes snow/slows the truck when it gets deeper)

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I feel the same way about missing my old 97 F250 with a mechanical rear LSD.

Funny you say that about the air dam, I had mine off since the week I bought it but put it back on because I'm driving a ton of highway miles for the next 6 months. Was definitely plowing snow with it this week lol.

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And I agree in respects to an e-locker out back. Useful for getting through really nasty shit, but in general not what you want on icy roads.

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Originally Posted by snowaddict91

Funny you say that about the air dam, I had mine off since the week I bought it but put it back on because I'm driving a ton of highway miles for the next 6 months. Was definitely plowing snow with it this week lol.

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Yeah when I got my first F150 and was in deep snow on USFS roads couldn't figure out why the hell the front end felt like it was getting pushed around. Definitely would have left it on for highway driving though. Well developed road driving is all most people use their truck for anyway, ha. Well, probably not as much the case for TGR folks, but generally speaking. First time I cut a load of wood and was throwing it in the back of the F150 it was denting the hell out of the bed and had to have it sprayed with a bedliner to prevent that, was like WTF has happened to trucks????

Can't link it but in the 'open vs limited slip in winter driving' thread on jeepforum.com there are plenty who have felt the exact same as I. You lose lateral control with both tires spinning on the same axle. Around corners and off camber shit. My buddy had a 75cj5 with factory lsd and that fucker was sketchy as hell. I've been in the damn thing going up BCC. One tire spins around a corner, the other then engages( both spinning) and it's instant donut.

Anyone else checked out the budget priced Falken Winterpeak F-Ice?

new this year so no meaningful reviews out there.

Getting winter rims/tires for the wife's VW atlas as this will be the first winter for it. I had planned on going with the same Blizzaks i run on my F150 (DM-V2) but her vehicle will see far less snow as my truck is the usual family ski-mobile but she does drive up separately enough that i dont want her on the summer oriented all-seasons that came stock on the Atlas.

Falkens are a steal at $54 less per tire than the Blizzaks. Honestly, I'm tempted to save the $220 given her use profile.

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Originally Posted by tuco

Can't link it but in the 'open vs limited slip in winter driving' thread on jeepforum.com there are plenty who have felt the exact same as I. You lose lateral control with both tires spinning on the same axle. Around corners and off camber shit. My buddy had a 75cj5 with factory lsd and that fucker was sketchy as hell. I've been in the damn thing going up BCC. One tire spins around a corner, the other then engages( both spinning) and it's instant donut.

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A lot of this has to do with wheelbase. I can confidently say I could drive a CCLB with a welded rear diff anywhere without dying. A CJ5 I'd probably die the first slick turn. We are talking a 5' plus difference in wheelbase which is apples to oranges.

Not so sure of wheel base theory. In my experience you need weight over those rear tires as well. I still have a cclb

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Originally Posted by tuco

Not so sure of wheel base theory. In my experience you need weight over those rear tires as well. I still have a cclb

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Actually, the more I think about this, I'll defer to your experience. My cclb has been OOS for a few years. I'm not even sure if it has lsd(it's possible)and if it does it was burnt before I got it.

Yeah, kind of like how backing up with a long trailer is way easier than a really short one. I do get the lateral slide concern, but the trade off is often worth it. I was in a touch and go situation today and had to back out on the road a ways when it got slick as hell with occasional watermelon size rounded rocks. There was a deep rocky rut on the left side. I probably would have slid into it locked or unlocked so just let it happen, but once I was in it I hit the accelerator because it got nasty and was worried about high centering. Both rear wheels kept churning and I bounced out of that fucker without damaging anything other than some paint scraping from a small tree. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have been able to get out as easily without the locker (ie. stuck and digging). Ruts are perfect for a locking diff because you definitely aren't going to slide sideways, ha.

Definitely should have deployed chains for that one, derp. Although after backing out and parking in a different spot then travelling on foot cross country with the dog to get back to the same road realized in there were numerous trees down blocking the road not too far above where I got to. Girls say boys is stoopid but,

https://youtu.be/7rq9OvaJyRc?t=11

Yeah, I can see it for shit like that. Still though, for general road driving, your tires will make the biggest difference.

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Originally Posted by tuco

Yeah, I can see it for shit like that. Still though, for general road driving, your tires will make the biggest difference.

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no doubt

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Welp, after a slip and slide trek on the interstate and state highway to access the mountains yesterday, followed by the aforementioned event, I have a set of Hakka LT3s on the way. Sounds like they have beefed up the sidewall significantly, added length to the studs, and studs are now stainless vs carbide on the LT2. Only $10/tire more than the LT2 so seemed like a no brainer to move up to the LT3.

I'm a gonna get really fuckin' stuck now!

Hold it, stainless studs? That sounds like a terrible idea.

Can someone edumicate me differently?

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Originally Posted by I Skied Bandini Mountain

Hold it, stainless studs? That sounds like a terrible idea.

Can someone edumicate me differently?

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resists salt corrosion

Why do you think its terrible idea?

premature wear maybe?

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Yeah, stainless is very soft compared to carbide.

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Originally Posted by I Skied Bandini Mountain

Yeah, stainless is very soft compared to carbide.

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Thought about that, but Nokian always seems to be ahead of the curve on technology so not sweating it too much. Worst case pull the studs, still a popular tire studless I'm sure.

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Hak 1's/ 2's/ 7's they all work great don't overthink it cuz the Finns know snow tires, but I do not recommend drinking with a Finn

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Hak 1's/ 2's/ 7's they all work great don't overthink it cuz the Finns know snow tires, but I do not recommend drinking with a Finn

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"The difference seems to be that Swedes get drunk to party, while Finns get drunk simply to get drunk."

pilfered from online somewhere

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I lived in Finland for a bit for work, top notch people who have life figured out.

or more importantly snow tires

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or more importantly snow tires

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They run 100% studs. They looked at us like we were crazy when we asked about studless tires.

Of course they looked at us like that for many reasons.

Finally found some of these new fangled “all weather”

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Originally Posted by SkiLyft

Finally found some of these new fangled “all weather”

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“Street racing in a GMC Acadia?”


“Yea I don’t win a lot”


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Originally Posted by SkiLyft

Finally found some of these new fangled “all weather”

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Some of us grew up poor and in snow country. Running balding tires and dusting folks with fancy new tires was a sense of pride, ya wanker. ;)

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Originally Posted by 3PinGrin

Some of us grew up poor and in snow country. Running balding tires and dusting folks with fancy new tires was a sense of pride, ya wanker. ;)

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I appreciate the shit talking, but you ain't dusting shit with tires like those, I don't care how good you are.

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Originally Posted by Name Redacted

I appreciate the shit talking, but you ain't dusting shit with tires like those, I don't care how good you are.

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Depends on terrain.

I've spun a 769 Cat 360, watcha got?

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Haha, yeah, pretty sure those would be terrifying during a snowstorm regardless who was behind the wheel!


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Originally Posted by SkiLyft

Haha, yeah, pretty sure those would be terrifying during a snowstorm regardless who was behind the wheel!


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Oh they were. Didn't keep me from being first to the shop when I was running snow plows. Speed and balls are your friend.

And pray to god there are no extended hills, cuz then yer facked.
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Originally Posted by I Skied Bandini Mountain

They run 100% studs. They looked at us like we were crazy when we asked about studless tires.

Of course they looked at us like that for many reasons.

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and that was before covid denyiers were even a thing

so here up narth you can go into any mall, look at some shitty purple 10-15 yar old sunfire driven by a fat chick and it will have studded tires that are probably worth more than the car,

So be smarter than a fat chick in narthern BC and buy real snow tires eh

Anyone have experience with Firestone Winterforce 2? They’re like half the price of blizzaks that I usually run, they have the Xtreme snowflake / mountain icon on the sidewall.

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Originally Posted by Self Jupiter

Anyone have experience with Firestone Winterforce 2? They’re like half the price of blizzaks that I usually run, they have the Xtreme snowflake / mountain icon on the sidewall.

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I had them on an 09 Outback XT. They did great.

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Anyone have experience with Firestone Winterforce 2? They’re like half the price of blizzaks that I usually run, they have the Xtreme snowflake / mountain icon on the sidewall.

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No, but I had the old winterforce 10 years ago and they were solid

Thanks guys, placed the order

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Originally Posted by PNWbrit

I had them on an 09 Outback XT. They did great.

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I find the Outback does so well in the snow, I just run any decent snows- this go around Arctic Claws. And it is an absolute beast.
Haks on the Promaster, Blizzaks on the Vibe.

Put studded Hakka LT3’s on the sprinter for this winter. So far pretty great. Reasonable squirm on the dry


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Originally Posted by detrusor

Put studded Hakka LT3’s on the sprinter for this winter. So far pretty great. Reasonable squirm on the dry


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You mean sidewall squirm or stud squirm?

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Originally Posted by Self Jupiter

Anyone have experience with Firestone Winterforce 2? They’re like half the price of blizzaks that I usually run, they have the Xtreme snowflake / mountain icon on the sidewall.

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Just bought these for the Sportwagen, Under $350 delivered iirc.

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Originally Posted by Dromond

No, but I had the old winterforce 10 years ago and they were solid

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Arguably my favorite SUV/truck snow tread, you can still get this in the LT version/sizes...

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Originally Posted by 3PinGrin

Some of us grew up poor and in snow country. Running balding tires and dusting folks with fancy new tires was a sense of pride, ya wanker. ;)

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Apologies for my balding tire shit talk, lol (mine were nowhere near that bad cuz that would be damn near impossible to get anywhere on icy roads I would think). But I was young, stupid, and fearless back then. I was doing cabinet installs for a living at one point with the same truck, let the boss borrow the keys to run an errand for some items we needed at the job site, had a good storm the night before. He came back in and handed me the keys all frustrated said he couldn't even get out of the parking lot without sliding. I went out with him, hopped in the truck, and gave him a ride to the store, ha. I was sliding too but just kept the rpms up and let the truck squirm where it would fishtailing out onto the road. Young and dumb can mostly get you in trouble, but once in a while it got me out of a jam.

These LT3s should do me right though. Pretty excited to get them out tonight on the same USFS road as last night. Warming trend meant heavy melting snow on top of a very slick surface and a steep road, it was definitely touch and go to get up the hill on my Falkens. A couple butt clenching moments for sure, had chains if needed though.

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Walmart:

"We can't but 245s on your Forerunner" :cussing:

Fine, will take somewhere else

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Originally Posted by Summit

Walmart:

"We can't but 245s on your Forerunner" :cussing:

Fine, will take somewhere else

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If you can just drop off the wheels, they'll mount anything.