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How much should I expect to pay for having my Intuition liners heat molded in Vail?
My boots are Seth Morrison's 2014 model and I put 10 days on them with no molding at all.
Second question... should I get custom footbeds? I realised that, opposite to the Atomics I previously had, the footbed on these liners is made of a "thick" foam.
IME if you can find a good generic foot bed then you don't need to spend big $$$ on custom foot beds, I have custom made, green superfeet, red & grey soles and for me the sole(yoursole.com) foot beds are where its at for 40$Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick Martinez
how would you rate the fit and comfort ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick Martinez
I was thinking of going to Full Tilt boots and the Seth Morrison's is one I was considering along with the Tom Wallisch.
Anyone who can use a heatmolded liner without molding I gotta ask if the shell is too big ?
I know the way to g-fit garmonts in the endorphins was to shell fit then mold and if you could stand the unmolded boot for more than 5 minutes ... it was too big
Well... I got them in August and skied 12 days on them. Both of my toenails died and are still in the process of growing again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenny Satch
I got a VERY tight shell fit (1/2") on them and didn't mold the liners, and I also have wide forefeet. So for the first 10 days, every day after skiing I left them at the bootfitter's. I punched the hell out of them! Heels, toes, pinkys...
But now... I FU***** LOVE THEM!
sounds like a love hate relationship with painful but positive dividends :fmicon:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick Martinez
I'll use your info and make sure the liners are molded
thanks
PM la rawj?Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
Yes! If you get a good fit dialed in, you'll love them! Great performance, light boots...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenny Satch
Hi all,
I am running the Tecnica Cochise Pro Light (size 26.5) and I have a couple of issues that I think a pair of Intuitions could solve. To be fair, one may arise from the other. I feel that in order to ski them with the control I want, I have to tighten them quite a bit, which then lead to a serious case of shin-bangs. Especially in the mornings when my feet are cold it is almost intolerable. I have about of a finger of shell space so I think a MV pair will be OK. I was thinking of the Pro Tongue model but I have a few concerns:
Those should be plenty stiff and give me more control but would they be significantly more comfortable than the stock liners of the Cochise and thus help with the shin-bangs? What size should I get? Intuition says specifically for the Pro Tongue to size down while some people suggest to size up?
Thank you very much in advance and greetings from Bulgaria.
Alex
Anyone try the Pro Tour HV yet? How about the optional Power Tongue or Thick Tongue?
The Thick Tongue might work well with big-cuff Cochise shells.
The HV is new this year, isn't it?
The stock liner has more padding and will do better with shinbang. Switching to the powerstrap buckle that comes on the Pro might help though.Quote:
Originally Posted by alex.georgiev
You want the 27s for your 26 shells if you go Intuition.
Suggestions on which liner people are running in their Vulcans? I know XXX runs a PW, I actually haven't heard of many people mention Pro Tour. I'm going to be heading to Intuition in Vancouver in the next month or so and was hoping for suggestions as to what people have enjoyed for a liner in their Vulcans.
Thanks from Canada
I've got the mercuries, and have flat, thin, skinny ankle, no arch, severely pronated, low volume, cold feet. wear custom orthotics in ski boots. The stock liner was actually pretty good for support when new but packed out around ankles producing slop and they were unbelievably cold in anything below minus 5-7 C. Upgraded to intuition high volume luxury liners, did a home bake and never looked back. fills the gaps and are super warm and juuuust stiff enough. put about 120 days on 'em so far, no noticeable packing out.
Bump. I'm curious about this as well. The stock liners were okay for a while but after 50 days or so they start to hurt about 4 or 5 hours into a tour. Also are any intuitions cooler than others? My feet ran hot in the power wraps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kufo
Like xxx er, I run regular PW in my Vulcans, and even did half season w/PW+ in them as a failed experiment. I like the wrap as a substitute for adding the tongue. The rom rearward breaks in a little better eventually. If I toured more flats I might sing a diff tune.
I'm curious as well. I love intuitions for fit but the thicker wrap liners I've found to be really warm. It's good for riding lifts but can be swamp city for touring. I've never used the pro tour but imagine it being thinner in general.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fritz
FWIW, this liner has a thin lining under the foot with a removable piece of foam. My wife runs them in her alpine boots (there wasn't a lot of height in the boot) and I imagine that they would be less warm:
https://intuitionliners.com/pro-tongue/
I've never seen/used these but they are the wrap version with the same thin sole:
https://intuitionliners.com/thestore/pro-wrap/
Lee reviewed them a couple of years ago but didn't mention anything about temperature. It's probably a small difference...
Intuition's warmth comes a lot from the vapor barrier effect. Unlike most boot liners, Intuitions don't breath. At all. The foam also absorbs zero moisture. Changing which Intuition liner won't do much in terms of temperature.
Back in the shop rat days a Scarpa rep told me that Scarpa has Intuition make up the ones for Scarpa with a thin open foam lining on the inside to help disperse moisture. I use Scarpa's Intuition liners most of the time and it may just be the power of suggestion, but they do seem somewhat drier than the regular Intuition liners.
I think it's worth a shot if the moisture buildup bothers you:
http://www.scarpa.com/ski-liners
Also looking for an Intuition recommendation for Vulcans. I got a used pair of 27.5's off TGR, and looking for a better fitting liner than my size 27.0 ProTours which were molded for my size 27 TLT6s, which have a much smaller shell. Consequently, the ProTours are loose in the 27.5 Vulcan shell, but my toes are crammed right up against the end of the liner. I have wide, very flat feet, both exactly 27cm long, and tend to have cold feet and fingers. I have a pair of orthotics, but both bootfitters I've used after I had them made said they're terribly done and worthless (not enough arch support for my flat feet), plus they were made for the stock TLT6 liner so are VERY short. Shell fit on the Vulcans seems great, and held up sole to sole with my punched out TLT6s, they're the same or wider, so excited about that.
I emailed Intuition and Crystal suggested a DreamLiner, saying "I suggest the Dreamliners in a Medium Volume, size 27, as they fit longer than other models. They will allow more room for the width of your foot, and can be used with or without additional footbeds." I was skeptical about switching from the ProTours to another tongue liner but giving up the flex area in the ankle. Can you fake something like this during the molding by taping a thick strip of foam like 1" wide near the base of the achilles?
I'm also interested in a wrap liner, since I always struggle with getting the tongue position just right for the first 30 minutes of skinning, and the posts here about being able to use no tongue at all in the Vulcans with a PowerWrap sounds pretty awesome. Thoughts on the Power vs. ProWrap if I go that route, and size 27 vs. 28? The website indicates that the Pro has a thinner sole but a removable insole (so you can use orthotics if desired).
Can't decide between the Power Wrap or the Dreamliner for my Vulcans.
In the case that you missed this (I had a lot of bummed mags last winter), the 2015 Intuition Group Buy is starting.
http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...d.php?t=294248
Another link for ya
http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...d.php?t=294325
All else equal are tongues or wraps better for skinny chicken lower calf just above ankle??
I've wondered the same thing from an experts perspective. Just speaking from my experience...I have high calf muscles and skinny lower legs and I have trouble getting a good fit around the upper cuff area with wraps. I have some pro tongues from the latest group buy but I haven't baked or used them yet. The stock tongues on my Tecnica's give me a good fit but my toes keep freezing thus the intuitions.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcpnz
I just put some Palau wraps in my Vulcans to replace worn-out tongue-style Intuitions. The wraps take up a hell of a lot more space around my skinny legs than the old ones did - I need to move the top buckle from the tightest position to the middle position. Not skied them yetQuote:
Originally Posted by dcpnz
How would the Dreamliner MV compare, stiffness wise, to the stock liner that came in my Dynafit One PX? I have always used Powerwraps in my touring boots and have been happy with them but I'm afraid that these shells don't have enough room (tight one finger shell fit). Also, is the cuff height comparable between the Powerwrap and the Dreamliner? I would like a little higher cuff than the stock liner.
Intuition jong here. Wanting to replace the stock liners of my atomic hawx 130. I have narrowed it down to either the Dreamliner or the pro tongue. I don't want to change the flex of my boots, I love their stiffness as they are. Which liner would match the stiffness of the stock liner best?
Anyone?
IME the power wrap always works the rest of them maybe not
I have the pro tongue in some inferno 130s. They are a pretty darn stiff liner, but really in a boot that stiff, I think all the stiffness comes from the shell. If you were to compare the "flex" of a stock liner to a pro tongue, you'd find that the stock liner is much, much softer. I haven't used or handled the dreamliner, but the pro tongue is very dense foam and super precise. The heel hold and closeness of the fit is really impressive. I'd say they are probably the best match for a stiff alpine boot.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2FUNKY
That said, they barely fit in my shell. The overlap lower doesn't really overlap when the shell is unbuckled and I have to be mindful when I buckle them that the two sides don't interfere rather than overlap properly. So think about the volume of the shell. If you have a really low volume, tight shell fit all around, maybe you'd be better off in the powerwrap plug or something thinner.
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Originally Posted by zion zig zag
Anyone use the MV?
Thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by land
I have the skinniest calves on this forum, and skinny heels too. The regular PW work great for me--better fit around the calves and no heel lift. I do use a rear spoiler, not for fit but because the extra material up front makes the stance too upright for my taste. The velcro on the spoiler sticks well to the PW.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcpnz
So... On the advice of my local bootfitter I ordered some HD Race liners. These will go into a pair of extremely snug (a pencil width of space in shell fit) Head Raptor 140s. The boot fitter also made me a footbed to support a reasonably high arch (or two). There is no way I can slip my foot in the liner in the boot with the footbed; I can do so without the footbed. I am not sure he realized the 7 mm sole height. I have a couple of questions:
1. Will baking the liners make enough room for the footbed? Once baked, they can't be returned. If not, what are my options? Pro Tongue, which may be too stiff and will make my boots red; Dreamliner, too soft?
2. Will the HD liner stiffen my boot? I know the Intuition site says FX is flex neutral and HD will stiffen, but I was recommended the HD by the fitter. FWIW the Head liner has really thick plastic on the tongue going all the way to the toe box, which may compare to the HD not the FX? I don't need more stiffness in these boots, the plastic is super high quality and stiff...
3. Will warmth really improve? This is the one reason I am spending an extra $150 for the liners.
Everybody mentions Crystal. Is that the lady who answers the phone at HQ? Or should I ask for her? I called once to ask about sizing for the HD Race, but never thought about asking about footbeds etc.
Thanks guys and girls.
Last time I was there they had a woman answering the phone who didn't do any boot fitting
Crystal does liner baking, she has been there for 15 yrs, I think her dad started intuition
There is alsoba guy named Tom who does liner baking and punches
So how does one contact Crystal? Phone and email? Weekend? I filled their online fit form and am still waiting for an answer... So I finally ordered something for my trip and I am not sure I want to bake those after all.
I am in Seattle, so I could conceivably make a trip to Vancouver but it would have to be a weekend and maybe not before the time limit to return. People mention an Intuition outlet but all I can find online is info about their HQ.
My comments below in red. Curious which Seattle-area fitter you're working with. Feel free to PM if you don't want to share publicly. I recall really liking the stock liner of the Head Raptors, and I would definitely not put an Intuition into a race boot for my feet, but YMMV.
Disclaimer: I'm not a bootfitter, and I don't work in a shop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr. Crash
Go to intuition liners.com and look in contacts for the contact info. They are open really late, make sure to book an apointment, Tom is really good as well and I know he will do boot punchesQuote:
Originally Posted by Dr. Crash
They are pretty liberal on returns, I came back 2 weeks later after carpet testing a tonged liner and asked for power wraps ... no problem. My neighbor bought liners in smithers and when she went there to get a punch they gave her a different liner... no problem
Go to intuition liners.com and look in contacts for the contact info. Make sure to book an apointment, Tom is really good as well and I know he will do boot punchesQuote:
Originally Posted by Dr. Crash
They are pretty liberal on returns, I came back 2 weeks later after carpet testing a tonged liner and asked for power wraps ... no problem. My neighbor bought liners in smithers and when she went there to get a punch they gave her a different liner... no problem