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I don’t believe this is accurate. SAG makes a clear distinction between “live ammunition” and “blank ammunition” in their guidance and say “live ammunition” should basically only be used under very specific circumstances on a range or military base. Where are you reading blank ammo = live ammo?Quote:
Originally Posted by SumJongGuy
I've seen blank ammo called live ammo in the movie set context in a number of articles quoting prop people and armorers. I don't care to go find them.Quote:
Originally Posted by old_newguy
Some of the crew were using the gun that morning to go plinking. Left it loaded with live bullet(s) apparently.
https://www.thewrap.com/halyna-hutch...rget-practice/
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Wasn't there an Aussie actor that was killed by a blank? IIRC he was goofing with a prop gun, put out to his head and pulled. The concussion killed him.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZomblibulaX
Like I said earlier, I have a friend who did cowboy action shooting from horses. The rounds used are not traditional "blanks", but are loaded with black powder and/or coarsely ground corn to pop the balloons.Quote:
Originally Posted by SumJongGuy
Okay...wasn't an Aussie but an American. Jon-Eric Hexum.
Jon-Erik Hexum (/ˈhɛksəm/; November 5, 1957 – October 18, 1984) was an American actor and model, known for his lead roles in the TV series Voyagers! and Cover Up, and his supporting role as Pat Trammell in the biopic The Bear. He died by an accidental self-inflicted blank cartridge gunshot to the head on the set of Cover Up.
Me too. never owned one. Never will. Never understood the whole "lets go kill something for fun" but I'm not a farmer. Known plenty of 'em including family. Still don't get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by uglymoney
to borrow a phrase: "guns don't scare me...people with guns scare me"
There's gotta be some process / regulation document that says something like "never ever put live ammunition in your prop guns," right? Probably the same document that says "the armorer needs to make sure there's no live ammunition / barrels are unobstructed etc. before shooting a scene using blanks".Quote:
Originally Posted by Kinnikinnick
You would assume so.Quote:
Originally Posted by dan_pdx
City folk out on the ranch, plinking, horseback riding, no wonder they weren’t getting paid.
I bet Alex escapes charges. Someone else left a real bullet in a prop gun.
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Calling it a “prop” gun makes it sound fake and somehow safer than a real gun.
Why not just call them “guns”? Every other item on a set doesn’t have the word “prop” in front of it does it?
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Interesting. I know someone who does that too, might be the same. Anyway, when I shot 38 caliber blanks at cans it was a white piece of plastic that held the powder and causes back pressure to create the BANG. You can put a hole in a can from 10 feet away pretty easily with that. I see white stuff hitting the ground in the video above. Makes sense that it could be corn as well. I still wouldn't want to be hit with it from 5 feet away. No way either goes THROUGH a person and in to a 2nd person. It would have to be fragmented to injure two people.Quote:
Originally Posted by TNKen
Press conference implies ONE "live round" shell and "projectile" recovered from 2nd person. Still no answer for what kind of "projectile" but certainly wasn't corn.. Plastic or lead?? At this point I vote lead..
Civil lawsuit for damages on the production company. I would imagine the production company's insurance will be left holding the proverbial bag.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cono Este
Supposedly a $1mm GL policy with a $5mm umbrella.
But alas, was it an on the job injury, and thus recovery will be limited by the worker's comp laws?
Fact - The victims family will sue everybody in sight.
This started as hate of Alec Baldwin then spread to rampant speculation about what happened. Is this the we hate lawyers stage?
Doesn't calling it a "prop gun" designate it as a piece of equipment that is a "gun" but should never EVER be loaded with non prop bullets?? Especially around the set?? Those semantics are important IMHO. The "prop" in the name designates it as a gun that isn't to be used as a "gun"..
Recovery against production companies might be limited by work comp, but I would think the armorer would be a subcontractor, and thus could be sued. But... [shrug].Quote:
Originally Posted by TNKen
And aren't her parents rich??Quote:
Originally Posted by toast2266
Yeah, I agree. Easier to call it a "prop gun" than "gun that was intended to be used to fire blanks while filming".Quote:
Originally Posted by SumJongGuy
I think she had a kid and husband who would likely be the beneficiaries of any litigation.Quote:
Originally Posted by SumJongGuy
I'm referring to the 24 year old Armor person they certainly will be suing.. She got the job because her parents are movie moguls of some kind.. or were LOL...Quote:
Originally Posted by TNKen
I thought her dad was also an armorer. Is being a Hollywood armorer a high paying gig? I have no idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by SumJongGuy
Regardless, I expect that family's wealth is about to take a hit.
Not from me, I hope they ass rape every responsible party.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vt-Freeheel
From the WP
"A “lead projectile” was recovered from director Joel Souza’s shoulder as evidence in the fatal shooting last week on the set of the western “Rust,” according to authorities.""[Sheriff] Mendoza said at the conference that his office collected roughly 600 pieces of evidence from the set, including what he believes to be the Colt revolver Baldwin was holding and a spent shell casing. They also gathered around 500 rounds of ammunition — which Mendoza described as a “mix of blanks, dummy rounds and what we are suspecting are live rounds”
If the story about crew members plinking is true--or if it isn't--shouldn't all movie firearms be under lock and key, with the armorer having the only key--when not being used to shoot a scene? Isn't that how we little people are supposed to store firearms--keep them locked up or trigger locked when not in our possession?